AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #13

[1987]

In the wooded areas around the home I would think. I m sure there may be areas around there they could park their vehicle and go on foot to the house.

That way no tire tracks would be found of the suspect's on their property. Close enough he could force Jayme back to his own vehicle.

Jmo

if it is dark perhaps a person wouldn't have to even hide in the woods, around the corner of the house would be far enough. moo

 

[saralsim]

I think it's premature to assume LE knows nothing, based on the fact they aren't sharing details.
They know the location of both bodies.
They know type of weapon(s), number of shots.
They more than likely know who placed the 911 call, based on where the phone was located and fingerprint or other dna evidence.
They know what was heard on that 911 call.
They know what direction those vehicles were traveling.
They know what shift JC worked that day.
They know if Jayme was/wasn't interacting with anyone online.
They know if the door was kicked or shot in.
I'm sure there are an endless list of details they do know that they feel disclosing would hinder their investigation.

JMO

 

[minnphatts]

Good analysis! What if these are simply a decorative item that nothing was cut off of in the first place like tassels (image attached)?

Yes, it's inconclusive at best. Why would there be one tie remaining that appears like it's possibly tied to the interior spindle, not the corner one? See the blue circle. Here's a compilation of similar ties I posted earlier.

 

[CuriousMaine]

Based on what we know, can we make a profile of the perp? Local, visitor, male, age, size? Employment status, loner, social? Criminal record, types of crimes?
I think there are some guesses we can make.

Unsub: Male(s), age 20-40, unemployed, prior criminal record.
Motive: sexual assault.

That's my best guess based on statistics, lack of evidence.

 

[thesnowflakesparkles]

Yes, it's inconclusive at best. Why would there be one tie remaining that appears like it's possibly tied to the interior spindle, not the corner one. See the blue circle. Here's a compilation of similar ties I posted earlier.View attachment 152986 View attachment 152988

Oh, good point. One looks to be on the outermost spindle which you would expect if it was decorative but the other isn't. Now you have me flummoxed. I edited my other post to say that I just don't think they are restraints because there is no way law enforcement would let that detail get out considering how tight lipped they have been with information. I think if we get an answer on this, it will be a benign, ordinary one.

I know people are tired of the chair but personally I just skip the posts I don't want to talk about and reply to the ones I do. Nothing else to discuss right now anyway.

 

[bizzle2]

Yes, the time between the call and LE arrival is 7 minutes not 4. Another misconception that should be corrected : there is nothing anywhere stating that Mr Closs worked an evening or second shift. This has just been a suggestion from members here that has grown legs and become part of the case. In fact, in the early threads it was sugggested that someone with his job description would almost certainly NOT work a second shift on a Sunday.

I don't think I've seen anyone outright say the either parent worked the second shift, just that it is possible being that they both worked at a factory. Managers/supervisors need to be there whenever the regular workers are there, so even if he is a manager (as I've seen suggested many times) that doesn't mean he is immune to working odd shifts.

And the grandpa said in a news article that the reason James wasn't at the family gathering Sunday afternoon was because he was working. Doesn't specifically say he was working at Jennie-O so it's possible he had a second job, but he was working that Sunday according to the grandpa.

Sheriff: Wisconsin parents shot to death while teen daughter...

"Jayme's grandfather, 72-year-old Robert Naiberg, said nothing seemed amiss at the family gathering attended by Jayme and her mother Sunday afternoon. He said Jayme's father was at work at the time. James and Denise Closs both were longtime employees at the Jennie-O Turkey Store in Barron, which has a hatchery and processing plant."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So we've been going back and forth for days now on what happened to Jayme... and why the police aren't saying Kidnapped or Abducted in the media... however, I'd like to go back to the dispatch call log and point out that they did actually say Jayme was abducted in that log... I just reviewed it... here it is for those who don't recall it... It says "potentially abducted" then it says "abducted". Pls ignore the arrow that my cursor somehow created over the area where it says the unknown status... I don't know how it arrived there or how to delete that marking.... but I did note it says "suspect". Singular. Not plural. It sounds like the police were thinking this was a solo job when they created that particular document to send out....
Jayme Closs: 911 dispatch log released from night of Wisconsin teen's disappearance

Thank you.

I have never gotten any impression whatsoever that the police don't think Jayme wasnt kidnapped or abducted.

Their very words and actions throughout show they believe this is true.

Imo

 

[1987]

my idea comes from something I read but don't know where I read it from so I have no link and I am takeing the info I read and expanding it some, and I am going to try to stay in the limits here. what if some one that the family knew was careing for a child, unknown child not missing child, that had been placed with them by a agency because of a parents wrong doings, unknown child parents not shot parents, parent of unnown child finds out where child is, follows that household to the family party then follows the mother and daughter home and at some point decides that if they cant have their child back then they will inflict terror themselves and show the careing family how it feels. that is worded so weird. I am not good at typing around and still trying to say what I want to say.

 

[Celt1997]

Yes, it's inconclusive at best. Why would there be one tie remaining that appears like it's possibly tied to the interior spindle, not the corner one? See the blue circle. Here's a compilation of similar ties I posted earlier.View attachment 152986 View attachment 152988

Is there another angle showing the outer spindle more clearly? Without seeing where that spindle meets the chair, it's hard to say conclusively where the other trailing fabric originates from.

 

[minnphatts]

the chair, I don't think a chair like that would be strong enough to hold someone tied down. I think even a child wrestling restraints tied to it would break the wood rod in the back of the chair. I think odd things are just present and unrelated sometimes.

I tend to agree with the weight of the rope/string and the lightweight chair are good arguments against these being restraints. I originally posted the overused Occam's razor point with this chair. The simplest explanation is that they're cushion or decorative ties of some sort. But the knots and remaining ties looked irregular me when I reviewed a few days later. It's still possible that there is another explanation, restraints can't completely be ruled out.

Hopefully we'll get some better evidence to review and can move on from this chair, or better yet Jayme is found alive!

 

[photographer4]

Based on what we know, can we make a profile of the perp? Local, visitor, male, age, size? Employment status, loner, social? Criminal record, types of crimes?
I think there are some guesses we can make.

Probably not a young teenager. Possibly someone who's had some sort of formal or informal weapons training (eg: military or... video games that are first person shooter)...? But I'm still not even sold on this having been done by a man or woman... so who knows?

 

[minnphatts]

Is there another angle showing the outer spindle more clearly? Without seeing where that spindle meets the chair, it's hard to say conclusively where the other trailing fabric originates from.

I agree with this point as well, no other angle that I've seen. All of this is inconclusive!

 

[zecats]

In the wooded areas around the home I would think. I m sure there may be areas around there they could park their vehicle and go on foot to the house.

That way no tire tracks would be found of the suspect's on their property. Close enough he could force Jayme back to his own vehicle.

Jmo

Or even just cruised back and forth by the house until time was right. Right being wrong in actuality. Heinously so.

 

[2Hope4]

Yes, it's inconclusive at best. Why would there be one tie remaining that appears like it's possibly tied to the interior spindle, not the corner one? See the blue circle. Here's a compilation of similar ties I posted earlier.View attachment 152986 View attachment 152988

I strongly believe it was ties to a cushion for that chair. Even in the similar ties you posted, it shows them tied to interior spindles in some of them. Depending on the cushion, the ties might not reach to the corners. And I don't think you would want to restrain anyone using those tiny spindles either. They often come unglued just using them for everyday sitting in! They are flimsy and could break easily. Wouldn't make sense to tie anyone to them when you have stronger spindles to use.

Where are you Jayme?!?!

 

[photographer4]

So we've been going back and forth for days now on what happened to Jayme... and why the police aren't saying Kidnapped or Abducted in the media... however, I'd like to go back to the dispatch call log and point out that they did actually say Jayme was abducted in that log... I just reviewed it... here it is for those who don't recall it... It says "potentially abducted" then it says "abducted". Pls ignore the arrow that my cursor somehow created over the area where it says the unknown status... I don't know how it arrived there or how to delete that marking.... but I did note it says "suspect". Singular. Not plural. It sounds like the police were thinking this was a solo job when they created that particular document to send out....
Jayme Closs: 911 dispatch log released from night of Wisconsin teen's disappearance

Actually on reading it yet again, the log says "abducted by a stranger" - so when they released that particular document, they seemed to think that the abductor was NOT someone known to Jayme / family and that it was a lone wolf.

 

[CuriousMaine]

my idea comes from something I read but don't know where I read it from so I have no link and I am takeing the info I read and expanding it some, and I am going to try to stay in the limits here. what if some one that the family knew was careing for a child, unknown child not missing child, that had been placed with them by a agency because of a parents wrong doings, unknown child parents not shot parents, parent of unnown child finds out where child is, follows that household to the family party then follows the mother and daughter home and at some point decides that if they cant have their child back then they will inflict terror themselves and show the careing family how it feels. that is worded so weird. I am not good at typing around and still trying to say what I want to say.

I think I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down, here. I guess it's possible. I'm sure LE is looking into every scenario we can think of and many more we haven't thought of.

 

[Get off my Lawn!]

Hi just joined you guys but have been following things closely as an outside observer. Sincerely hope with all my heart that Jayme is safe even after this amount of time.

Something has been bothering me about this case for a while and really not sure if I can mention names in relation to my concerns. But a little girl is missing so here goes:

Strikes me that the Smrekar neighbours have gone a bit quiet after initially giving lots of interviews. To me, some comments are contradictory and strange. Maybe the relationship with their neighbours was strained?

One interview with Ashleigh Banfield of CNN previously discussed on this thread concerns me in that it doesn’t ring true and seems to be designed to distance the Smrekars from knowing that there was a child next door. Strange to say the least since I think both families lived there for some years.

SMREKAR: They were very quiet people. We only saw them come and go from their home. We took mail up to them that got delivered to us, and they didn`t even want to come to the door. They were just quiet, preferred I guess to be alone. You didn`t see them out in the yard doing anything. At least we didn`t.

BANFIELD: Did you ever see Jaime with any friends? Or did she ever come and go and get picked up by friends in vehicles of any kind?

SMREKAR: That I can`t tell you, I just know that the school bus dropped her off?

BANFIELD: And you would see her dropped off daily in front of the house by the school bus?

SMREKAR: Yes.

BANFIELD: But other than that, you didn`t see collections of friends coming and going from that house?

SMREKAR: No. We didn`t even know they had any children. They just weren`t out there doing things.

In a video interview with Joan Smrekar and her husband Search for missing 13-year-old Jayme Closs expands as police hunt for 2 cars seen by Wisconsin home | Daily Mail Online. There is a strange statement at timing point 0.58 where he is describing the helicopter flying back and forward over his house and says: “… and this is where they are at, it’s kind of uncomfortable, not SCARY uncomfortable for us…uncomfortable for accomplishing something.” Also his body language is full of self-touch especially on his leg which may indicate insecurity.

A fuller search of the neighbour’s property might be a good idea.

 

[Quill]

my idea comes from something I read but don't know where I read it from so I have no link and I am takeing the info I read and expanding it some, and I am going to try to stay in the limits here. what if some one that the family knew was careing for a child, unknown child not missing child, that had been placed with them by a agency because of a parents wrong doings, unknown child parents not shot parents, parent of unnown child finds out where child is, follows that household to the family party then follows the mother and daughter home and at some point decides that if they cant have their child back then they will inflict terror themselves and show the careing family how it feels. that is worded so weird. I am not good at typing around and still trying to say what I want to say.

I actually think I know what your are getting at here. Very interesting take.

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh, good point. One looks to be on the outermost spindle which you would expect if it was decorative but the other isn't. Now you have me flummoxed. I edited my other post to say that I just don't think they are restraints because there is no way law enforcement would let that detail get out considering how tight lipped they have been with information. I think if we get an answer on this, it will be a benign, ordinary one.

I know people are tired of the chair but personally I just skip the posts I don't want to talk about and reply to the ones I do. Nothing else to discuss right now anyway.

I agree, I don't think LE would carry out evidence like that with restraints in full view of the media for all to see. Jmo

 

[coldbud]

I have my theory but I am really afraid to state it for fear of getting banned....and yes my theory is about the father