AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #14

[Mercedes]

I'm just going by what was reported. According to the grandfather he was at work. So if that's not the case we would have to assume he was lying or that his son was. I have no reason to think he was not being truthful. Jmo

Perhaps there was just a misunderstanding.

 

[bizzle2]

Great find! So, it would appear, that Jim DID answer the door!! But it was ajar. If he was mortally wounded, why use his energy to greet officers? The door was already open??
This gets curiouser and curiouser.

No. James Closs did not answer the door for the officers

 

[Angleterre]

The one thing that has bothered me from the beginning is why it took so long to determine a child was missing. Early press explained that away by stating that LE had no prior calls/ incidents with the house/ family. But... cops arrive, a man is shot, but alive, and a woman is dead also shot. There would have been abundant clues to a child’s presence: toys, stuffed animals, family photos, kid’s artwork on fridge, Jayme’s room. They should have discovered this all in the first 5 minutes while clearing the house. Why did it take hours to realize & report her missing? Precious getaway time...

One reason could possibly be that first they have to determine who lives at the address and if they heard something on the 911 call that led them to believe a child was present, then they would probably try to ascertain if one actually does live there. ( Various Police information databases and outside agency information systems can be checked ). Another reason could possibly be the training that Police officers receive and if it’s unknown initially where the child is but it’s suspected that she’s kidnapped then there are specific protocols in place about this not being mentioned to attending officers and not put on the computer log as it goes through (in the UK ) the Serious Organised Crime Team and probably the FBI in USA if they have similar protocols. Once the risk of publicity v not publicising is looked at, a decision is then taken as to wether the information can be broadcast to Officers on the ground or if it's too risky to do so ...

 

[MsBetsy]

It is always possible. It does vary from call to call how law enforcement responds. My line of thinking is that once it was known that shots had known to have been fired units dispatched after the initial three - the Emergency Response Team - would be getting there in a hurry and making a lot of noise in doing so. I could be wrong.

I would think at least one vehicle would have a siren on. Isn't that standard procedure? Especially based on the 911 call which indicates people were in immediate danger? Jmo

 

[Ari_]

I'm sad to say it but I think this case is destined to grow cold bar a stroke of luck. I know LE hold things back but I just get the impression they know little more now than they did straight after it happened. The 2000 person search came across as a stab in the dark rather than based on any actual real intelligence.

I think it's going to take a miracle to get Jayme back alive after this long, let's hope we get one.

I agree about finding her alive. I've suddenly become really unhopeful even though I feel LE are doing their best and more. This person really has done well at covering their tracks, as far as we can see, anyway.

 

[PommyMommy]

Do we know if they searched their car? And apart from the Smrekar's are there any other near-neighbours in the vicinity that have been mentioned? I have only heard about the Smrekar's so far.

I haven't seen any reports of their car being searched or of other neighbors. I think what we need to remember is that we're not going to hear every little detail about where and what they've searched. We know the home, the woods, "the area," the yard, the closet, etc., but that doesn't mean they didn't search their car. Or another neighbor's house and yard. It could simply mean that it hasn't been reported. MOO

 

[Jethro4WS]

I would think at least one vehicle would have a siren on. Isn't that standard procedure? Especially based on the 911 call which indicates people were in immediate danger? Jmo

That would be my guess as well.

 

[Ari_]

I consider a case cold when all leads have been exhausted.

This case ain’t cold yet.

No. Not cold yet. Warm. But I'm afraid it's heading that way.

I think I just need to shake off, get rid of the negativity I'm feeling today and revisit this one! I do have faith in the LE though.

 

[Mercedes]

Will someone correct me if I misread the latest information.

Is LE looking for a Monte Carlo now instead of a Dodge Challanger? Is there a picture? TIA.

No.

 

[Lillymac]

I would think at least one vehicle would have a siren on. Isn't that standard procedure? Especially based on the 911 call which indicates people were in immediate danger? Jmo

Was an ambulance dispatched?

 

[SJ16321]

I agree about finding her alive. I've suddenly become really unhopeful even though I feel LE are doing their best and more. This person really has done well at covering their tracks, as far as we can see, anyway.

Absolutely. I can't fault the LE and I've got massive respect for them, the perp has just done a very good job at covering their tracks as you say and it seems to have left LE with very little to work with.

 

[Get off my Lawn!]

I don't remember hearing the word "garden." I certainly could have missed it. What I do know is that it was reported their home and yard were searched.

"In the days since, investigators from the FBI to local law enforcement have searched the Smrekar’s home and yard along with the those of their neighbors looking for clues."
Dozens of volunteers help in foot search for missing Wisconsin 13-year-old

Sorry if already answered...can't seem to stay caught up today.

Sorry PommyMommy, I'm not off on my hobby horse about the neighbours again. I am simply seeing an anomaly between reports that the neighbours were unaware of police presence until the following morning and any immediate search of the surrounding area when Jayme's absence was known. It just seems to me that with a child missing and a killer missing the police would have gone next door to search? Probably the first place to go since Jayme may have gone there to seek help. If the neighbours have said they were unaware of police presence until next morning then this visit did not happen until next morning?

 

[MsBetsy]

Has anyone considered the possibility James answered the door with his own gun in hand? The perp killed him and took his gun. That's why there were no guns in the house and also why they are not revealing the caliber and kind of gun.
Also maybe Jayme was taken because in the violent rampage the perp became sexually aroused, so he took her at that point, not being the original intent.

I have considered it. Or that 2 shots may have come from his own gun and the perp had another gun, and took both with him. Jmo

 

[Angleterre]

One reason could possibly be that first they have to determine who lives at the address and if they heard something on the 911 call that led them to believe a child was present, then they would probably try to ascertain if one actually does live there. ( Various Police information databases and outside agency information systems can be checked ). Another reason could possibly be the training that Police officers receive and if it’s unknown initially where the child is but it’s suspected that she’s kidnapped then there are specific protocols in place about this not being mentioned to attending officers and not put on the computer log as it goes through (in the UK ) the Serious Organised Crime Team and probably the FBI in USA if they have similar protocols. Once the risk of publicity v not publicising is looked at, a decision is then taken as to wether the information can be broadcast to Officers on the ground or if it's too risky to do so ...

And also I’m not teaching you to suck eggs but there is a difference between wether Jayme was abducted or wether she was kidnapped in terms of how it’s handled as they are two entirely different crimes with different protocols for response

 

[Trino]

At what point do each of you consider a case to become a " cold case"?
Is it:
When LE says " case has gone cold" or " case is with cold case detectives"?

When it stops being in the news?

When people stop searching?

When no one issues any statements because there's nothing new to say?

When YOU feel it's a " cold case"?

Other?

Years from now LE would not call this a cold case, and I suppose they would still be giving thought to the case, just not like in the first stages. Most people, however, would call it cold.

 

[Bluepopsicle]

No. They are still looking for the same vehicles.

A Monte Carlo was pulled from the water
in Oshkosh which is a few hours drive from Barron.

Some people speculated that it may be the car LE was looking for.

They have been very specific in the manufacturer, model, and production period of that red car (Dodge Challenger).

This is almost certainly unrelated.
Car discovered in Fox River in Oshkosh

LOL, you must be getting tired of explaining the vehicles of interest by now...I’ve been trying to catch up for the last couple of days and had a good chuckle from your (dare I say...green motorcycle....shhh!) explanations. Sheriff Fitzgerald should put you on the payroll!

I’m up in Canada, 9 hrs away from WI, and I have an orange challenger that lives in my neighborhood. Although I’m certain he’s not the culprit, I’ll be keeping my eye on it just the same. There’s gotta be zero chance a suspect would make it through the border though right?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Was an ambulance dispatched?

Yes. Requested by law enforcement to stage out. The dispatch time of the ambulance (Gold Cross EMS) was at 1:05:26am.

Edited to add. At 1:19:27 an officer (317) requested that EMS come into the scene for two subjects down unresponsive.

By that time the ambulance would have been staged out prior to going into the scene. This is standard procedure in these types of incidents.

 

[MsBetsy]

Sorry PommyMommy, I'm not off on my hobby horse about the neighbours again. I am simply seeing an anomaly between reports that the neighbours were unaware of police presence until the following morning and any immediate search of the surrounding area when Jayme's absence was known. It just seems to me that with a child missing and a killer missing the police would have gone next door to search? Probably the first place to go since Jayme may have gone there to seek help. If the neighbours have said they were unaware of police presence until next morning then this visit did not happen?

I'm not sure that LE necessarily would search surrounding houses whenever there is a murder, unless there is a specific reason to. At least not immediately. They apparently did search thoroughly later that day, with drones and dogs. Jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

Hundreds turn out to remember parents of missing Wisconsin teen Jayme Closs
MR of Rice Lake worked with them both at the Jennie-O turkey plant in Barron for more than 20 years. She was especially close to James Closs, whom she worked with “eight hours a day, five days a week for 15 years.”

“Jim was all about sports,” she said. “He was a big Packer fan. Just a normal guy — go to work, go home.” James Closs worked in the plant area that deboned turkeys, and he delivered meat orders that MR would weigh for shipping.

Denise Closs was very shy, MR said, but was well-liked and had a group of good friends. “She was all about Jayme,” MR said. “Everything was about Jayme. She loved that girl.”

 

[Trino]

LOL, you must be getting tired of explaining the vehicles of interest by now...I’ve been trying to catch up for the last couple of days and had a good chuckle from your (dare I say...green motorcycle....shhh!) explanations. Sheriff Fitzgerald should put you on the payroll!

I’m up in Canada, 9 hrs away from WI, and I have an orange challenger that lives in my neighborhood. Although I’m certain he’s not the culprit, I’ll be keeping my eye on it just the same. There’s gotta be zero chance a suspect would make it through the border though right?

Just hope the owner doesn't call LE for stalking.