AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

[RavenDoc]

Also has 2 court order to avoid kids and property.

Right. MOO, I don’t think an incident/operation was pulled off by this person. Concerned about the brazen behavior? Absolutely.
Unfortunately when a girl is featured in the news it brings out a fascination with some people who have impulse control issues surrounding greater concerns. Again MOO.

 

[RavenDoc]

It seems to be an important piece. So it begs the question how are they sure a vehicle was involved? There’s gotta be more than just the video from nearby cams. I’m guessing tire tracks on the driveway / grass... maybe some kicked up gravel along the side of the road?

Going back to the KTJ guy for a minute - he parked his bike at a laundromat and walked to the house. How long a walk is that? Did he walk along a main road? A trail? Is it possible that a perp also parked at the laundromat and walked down and walked back out to the car with Jayme?

I initially assumed perp might be wearing blood spatter and or possible battle wounds but the time they have spent in the house - who knows what happened? Maybe someone showered and switched into some of dad’s clothes then abducted Jayme? That may have explained someone tied to a chair (Jayme Tied while someone cleans up?). Maybe then she gets loose and gets the 911 call made? Maybe it’s really simpler than I’ve been envisioning and someone wanted her and was taking time to clean up before escaping back to their car.

I highly suspect the dogs tracked to a spot that just stopped. As in indicating her scent ended where a vehicle would have taken off with her. MOO.

 

[Get off my Lawn!]

BBM - Who dictates what is creepy, too isolated, or what constitutes being placed on a hinky meter?

I appreciate American Civil liberties like evidence, search warrants and due process. With that being said, I want Jayme and the thousands of missing and endangered persons to come home.

Everyone around Barron should be throwing open their doors, outhouses, storm shelters, cabins and any other enclosed space voluntarily to allow the search for Jayme.

 

[Get off my Lawn!]

I agree that since dogs were used the next day, it is unlikely that Jayme ran anywhere although if she had she would have been capable of running for some distance because of her hobby of cross country running. If the dogs missed her scent then she may have collapsed quite some distance from the house, perhaps injured and certainly traumatised. May have sought safety in someone's outhouse and succumbed to her injuries.

 

[Ari_]

There was a recent case where a guy lived with mom in her house and the police found 3 dead women in the basement after he got caught beating and abducting his girlfriend.

And once he was in jail. His mother was brave enough to call the cops about a foul odor in the house along with suspicions.

The cops then found 3 hidden female corpses that was in the basement or on the property for months.

But its obvious that the elderly mom was that afraid of her son where as she didn't feel comfortable sounding the alarm previously.

So imo. Just because someone may alibi a suspect at a time. Doesn't mean that the alibi should be written in stone.

Because there are plenty of parents or spouses that are afraid of their kid or spouse. Jmo

I remember this one... it wasn't so long ago? It was truly awful and confusing when it first came to light.

 

[Ari_]

Is there a poll for this? I would like to see the percentages of peoples opinions, because I'm truly lost and unsure what has happened or what, if anything, will be the outcome of this case.

 

[WiseOwl]

I agree that since dogs were used the next day, it is unlikely that Jayme ran anywhere although if she had she would have been capable of running for some distance because of her hobby of cross country running. If the dogs missed her scent then she may have collapsed quite some distance from the house, perhaps injured and certainly traumatised. May have sought safety in someone's outhouse and succumbed to her injuries.

This is a good shout. Maybe she didn't make it to shelter though and has sadly passed away in the woods somewhere due to Hypothermia.

 

[MsBetsy]

If you look at the picture, Denises vehicle is clearly not in the way of the big truck getting by. But thank you for agreeing with my original thought that he may have actually parked it there. If you are constantly quoting me simply to disagree with me, hitting the ignore button would be a better use of your time. I wont change my story or my mindset because someone is quoting every post I make.

I was just trying to answer your questions as thoroughly as possible.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Good morning everyone.

I dont know why but I woke up with a different perspective today. I feel more hopeful this case is going to be solved and it may happen in the next couple of weeks or so.

I am never closed minded when it comes to possibilities either.

For some unknown reason I woke up thinking about the Ernest Hargon case. Dont ask me why for I really dont know why.

It got me to thinking among some very good families there can be one who is unlike the others. One who may seethe with resentment and abnormal extreme jealousy.

So I am regrouping my thoughts for now anyway.

It seems many families have members who may be addicted to drugs now or some other dysfunction and often times the family as a whole will think its wise to protect themselves and certainly their young children by keeping certain families or even past friends at arms length.

This may cause undue rage even though their own poor choices created the situation and they do nothing themselves to correct any if it.

So now I think it may have been done by someone they knew and may have been helped in the past..even a friend.

I still do not believe either James nor Denise did anything wrong whatsoever to bring this about. Nothing..zero..zip. In fact I think it will become known they were a very good law abiding family including Jayme.

But some murderers like this tend to blame all others for their illogical perceived woes instead of admitting they and only they are at fault and the blame lays squarely on their own shoulders...period.

I am now thinking Denise...James and Jayme were all three the intended targets.

And what better way to keep up the plot of vengeance of senseless hatred and rage against these 2 good people than by taking the most precious person of all these two parents loved more than anyone on earth?

Imo he wanted all of the family members left behind to know he had kidnapped their sweet much loved and missed sweet Jayme and he also controls whether she lives or dies. Just like he controlled James and Denise's lives when he murdered both of them in cold blood.

By taking Jayme he knows he is still in full control while they are all left in shatters.

He wanted to further traumatize everyone who had ever loved James..Denise and Jayme.

Jmo and nothing more of course.

 

[RavenDoc]

I agree that since dogs were used the next day, it is unlikely that Jayme ran anywhere although if she had she would have been capable of running for some distance because of her hobby of cross country running. If the dogs missed her scent then she may have collapsed quite some distance from the house, perhaps injured and certainly traumatised. May have sought safety in someone's outhouse and succumbed to her injuries.

MOO I really don’t think she ran. At least not that far if she did. They would have tracked her at least to a pretty specific area. If they lost scent the highest probability is that she changed direction acutely....backtracked, etc (like 3 90 degree angles) or was carried off in something. Moo. Just having hounds and a GSD, I’ve learned a lot about scent tracking. By no means though am I an expert. An excellent resource on here is in a recent threat by a sluether Richard (screen name). Case reference is Marjorie West.
Dogs don’t track in just a straight line. They can use a total sweeping ability.

 

[mtnlites]

MOO I really don’t think she ran. At least not that far if she did. They would have tracked her at least to a pretty specific area. If they lost scent the highest probability is that she changed direction acutely....backtracked, etc (like 3 90 degree angles) or was carried off in something. Moo. Just having hounds and a GSD, I’ve learned a lot about scent tracking. By no means though am I an expert. An excellent resource on here is in a recent threat by a sluether Richard (screen name). Case reference is Marjorie West.
Dogs don’t track in just a straight line. They can use a total sweeping ability.

I don't think she ran, either. I think the dogs would've picked up her scent or there would be evidence of her trail. And while she may have run cross country at school, that's much different than running through a wooded area after dark when visibility is low.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Maybe. But if he wanted to get in the house quickly he could have parked much closer to the house to decrease the distance from the truck to the house. Since we have no idea what time he came home, or if in fact someone was following him, its impossible to know.

There are lots of reasons to park well away from the garage, including needing space to pull a mower or other equipment out of that side of the garage. On the weekends our cars are sometimes parked in odd places because of this. We don’t actually know for certain he worked that day, where he worked, or his hours. He may have been working on chores or house projects that afternoon and just not moved his truck back when done.

 

[Lamima]

Wasn’t there a recent case where a girl was abducted or tricked into leaving by, I believe, her teacher or coach? They went off the grid and ended up being spotted by a maintenance guy in a cabin in California. Does anyone recall this?

I’m wondering if someone older took Jayme intentionally (obviously not her teacher or coach but maybe an internet predator). Maybe the parents were collateral damage.

I keep thinking this must be a similar scenario. Nothing else makes sense.

Also the Kevin Esterly case. 45 year old man ran off with 16 year old babysitter. Checked her out of school as her father or something like that. Had an apartment where they had been meeting up. Saw his wife on some show and she claims he swears he didn't have a sexual relationship with the 16 year old and the wife believes him. Uggghhh. But in this case the parents were murdered so I think Jayme was not complying with her abductor's attempts at grooming like these other girls mentioned. Like Hannah Anderson hadn't complied and her family was murdered when she was abducted. Just my thoughts right now.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

It looks like it was moved to let that huge truck get by and get as close to the house as possible.

Struck me me this AM. I had a house in the country with a similar layout built in the same era. First, the driveway looks to be dirt (maybe grave) but not concrete or asphalt so when wet or muddy you park away from those areas. Second, the garages of older homes were not built to accommodate the SUV's and large trucks we have today. It can be a very tight fit and some people choose not to garage those vehicles. Also if that were my driveway I would want to turn my car around as opposed to backing out of it. The truck may be parked in a way to allow that. So the the truck could be parked in different places depending on weather, season, and preference in backing out. JMO

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Yes. If it was the first time he was incredibly lucky to get away. I think he has done other crimes, but maybe undetected. Or, if he served time, it may have been long enough ago that his DNA may not be on file. JMO.

Check Iowa records. Not the 1st time for theft.
ETA : Posting this info only as it is relevant to theft. I don't feel he had anything more to do with this case then that. Also just basing the records are his because of name and DOB matching
ETA again to add link https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/TrialSimpFrame

 

[Intrigued25]

Barron residents have done an amazing job of keeping any information they are aware of out of social/mainstream media. Were the interviews given by the neighbours regarding the shots heard and Jayme given before or after the town meeting?

 

[MsBetsy]

There are lots of reasons to park well away from the garage, including needing space to pull a mower or other equipment out of that side of the garage. On the weekends our cars are sometimes parked in odd places because of this. We don’t actually know for certain he worked that day, where he worked, or his hours. He may have been working on chores or house projects that afternoon and just not moved his truck back when done.

True. I think the mystery of why the truck was parked there may forever remain a mystery.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

This is a good shout. Maybe she didn't make it to shelter though and has sadly passed away in the woods somewhere due to Hypothermia.

Many threads ago I thought of that possibility and asked if trapping was still legal in WI and if so when. It was just a thought because if she was injured and in the woods, stepping on a trap could have sealed the deal. With the searches, dogs and almost 2 weeks of thinking I feel there is a very small percentage this happened.
JMO

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Any chance the caregiver was supposed to come in the morning to get Jayme off to school (we don't know the parent's work schedule?) and the father left room near the house for her car?

I don’t know about the caretaker coming, but out of courtesy we have moved our own vehicles so that a guest can park closer to the door if we are expecting them. Of course, this is usually for my dad, who has trouble walking. Or if my mom is going to deliver something heavy. It's possible that James either kept that space clear so he could easily move something from his garage into someone else's vehicle that day, or receive something heavy he planned to put in or take through the garage that day. Or, he could have just planned on getting a mower or something else out of the garage, so kept that space clear.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

They sure can. In this case, I believe that they believe that they heard gunshots at a particular time. They seem credible.

So two things are possible:

The perpetrator actually spent 20 plus minutes in that home.

Or, the perpetrator was there for a much shorter period of time, because these witnesses were incorrect.

The later makes more sense, but there’s no way of knowing at this point.

The fact that yelling was heard on the 911 call but no one talking leads me to believe that they were there for the the 20 min time frame.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Struck me me this AM. I had a house in the country with a similar layout built in the same era. First, the driveway looks to be dirt (maybe grave) but not concrete or asphalt so when wet or muddy you park away from those areas. Second, the garages of older homes were not built to accommodate the SUV's and large trucks we have today. It can be a very tight fit and some people choose not to garage those vehicles. Also if that were my driveway I would want to turn my car around as opposed to backing out of it. The truck may be parked in a way to allow that. So the the truck could be parked in different places depending on weather, season, and preference in backing out. JMO

Yes, it would seem there are many different reasons. All I know is I will never again suggest it was moved by LE.