AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

[Sillybilly]

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[caseface]

I follow the jail roster for my home county. I know Barron County seems to have some criminal issues, but I've been watching the bookings into the Barron County jail. It seems perhaps the law enforcement around Barron County has been very busy apprehending a number of probation violators and bail jumpers. Busier than I have ever seen in my home county. I suppose "beating the bushes" is normal after a terrible crime is committed in the community. Both to question and to obtain DNA. If this is happening, what does it tell us? Does it mean they really do not have much to go on? Also, there is a juvenile in the Barron County Jail with no charges listed. I assume it is felony related, as here in MN juvenile arrests are not public unless they are felonies. Not sure if WI is different. I found this peculiar. I also find it peculiar that the sheriff was so forthcoming about the intruder, while keeping most other details so guarded.

I don't think beating the bushes is necessarily a sign that LE is clueless. They may be following leads; however, until and unless one of those leads ends in probable cause, beating the bushes should continue. Although a lead may sound promising, they do not always pan out. So, in order to do the best by Jayme, LE is doing everything possible. This is, at least, the way I am choosing to view it right now. Maintaining hope.

 

[carmenugt]

I know this was posted earlier, but something leapt out at me in re-reading it:

The joint investigative ground team in Barron has also been cut in half since its peak of 200-plus in the immediate aftermath of the brutal crime. So far, no new evidence has come in about Jayme's whereabouts.

"There’s been sightings or possible sightings of her," said Fitzgerald. "Those have been cleared. But the hope is out there. That’s what we run on, hope every day and we’re gonna bring Jayme home.”​

The sheriff promises though, no one is giving up.
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I find this wording odd. I'd love to know more about those; it gives me hope.

I am concerned that the sheriff is running on "hope." Hope limits you. Does he not have facts this far out from the event?

 

[CuriousMaine]

How long do DNA profiles take to return?

Anywhere from one day to several weeks, depending on the priority, type of test and/or degradation, etc.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you PommyMommy!

You're welcome. I forgot to add Denise's brother-in-law.

“We’re still hoping that Jayme is coming home,” BS said. “She’ll be needing a lot of care and counseling and that’s how that money will be used.”

BS declined to comment on the rest of the case and the family of James and Denise. He said he was advised by Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald to not to talk about it for the integrity of the investigation.
Family sets up benefit account for Jayme Closs

 

[SandyQLS]

I wish we knew what was on that 47 second phone call, i believe it holds the key to the whole case.

Could it have been the TV? A "guy movie" with yelling and loud noises?

 

[bechk45]

Could it have been the TV? A "guy movie" with yelling and loud noises?

In the middle of the night with a child sleeping right there?
Probably not.

 

[caseface]

I am concerned that the sheriff is running on "hope." Hope limits you. Does he not have facts this far out from the event?

I agree that it is concerning that we are still talking about hope this far out it seems the last statement provides the best explanation for encouraging hope: they are not giving up nor should the public. If we lose hope, we lose our vigilance. If we lack vigilance, we may see Jayme in a convenience store one day a tell ourselves, "nah, that's probably not her, couldn't be" and we go on about our day. I think LE is attempting to keep the interest on this case by encouraging everyone to not give up on this little girl. Does it work? Hope? I don't know but this is my understanding of why.

I'm hoping we have more than hope soon!

 

[WiseOwl]

Could it have been the TV? A "guy movie" with yelling and loud noises?

Anything's possible. We can only theorize what was heard on the call.

 

[carmenugt]

I follow the jail roster for my home county. I know Barron County seems to have some criminal issues, but I've been watching the bookings into the Barron County jail. It seems perhaps the law enforcement around Barron County has been very busy apprehending a number of probation violators and bail jumpers. Busier than I have ever seen in my home county. I suppose "beating the bushes" is normal after a terrible crime is committed in the community. Both to question and to obtain DNA. If this is happening, what does it tell us? Does it mean they really do not have much to go on? Also, there is a juvenile in the Barron County Jail with no charges listed. I assume it is felony related, as here in MN juvenile arrests are not public unless they are felonies. Not sure if WI is different. I found this peculiar. I also find it peculiar that the sheriff was so forthcoming about the intruder, while keeping most other details so guarded.

I agree with you. In addition to the "hope" comment.
We are weeks out. I would assume the DNA samples went to Quantico. Surely, they found something.

 

[jonnyrock]

I realize this is really nitpicking, but did anyone else find it odd that the first responder on the scene radioed back, "suicide"? Odd phrase given the mysterious nature of the 991 call and obvious front door breakage and the decedent lying on the floor opposite the door with no weapon nearby. Anyway, I am confident law enforcement will prevail in identifying those responsible for this heinous double murder/kidnapping.

 

[carmenugt]

I agree that it is concerning that we are still talking about hope this far out it seems the last statement provides the best explanation for encouraging hope: they are not giving up nor should the public. If we lose hope, we lose our vigilance. If we lack vigilance, we may see Jayme in a convenience store one day a tell ourselves, "nah, that's probably not her, couldn't be" and we go on about our day. I think LE is attempting to keep the interest on this case by encouraging everyone to not give up on this little girl. Does it work? Hope? I don't know but this is my understanding of why.

I'm hoping we have more than hope soon!

Welcome to Websleuths.

 

[carmenugt]

I realize this is really nitpicking, but did anyone else find it odd that the first responder on the scene radioed back, "suicide"? Odd phrase given the mysterious nature of the 991 call and obvious front door breakage and the decedent lying on the floor opposite the door with no weapon nearby. Anyway, I am confident law enforcement will prevail in identifying those responsible for this heinous double murder/kidnapping.

The first responder probably fixated on the mechanism of injury. . They are not LE.

 

[proctorelites]

When I listened to the TCG podcast they said something that made me stop and consider another possibility. Yes, here we go again, the position of James when LE arrived. In the interview Sherriff Fitzgerald made the comment deputies could see his feet as they approached the Closs home. I may have missed this in the previous thread if it was mentioned. But, when deputies arrived they did not have any idea what they were dealing with.
Is it possible that as deputies cautiously approached the Closs home they saw the feet of James through a window/sliding glass door as opposed to his feet hanging out of the front doorway? That could change what I believe about how the front door was kicked in/shot in. Just from looking at the lay out of the house in photos I cant decide.
Deputies may approach guns drawn, 1 officer inching along the front of the house, one officer possibly went to the back of the house. Could they see through to the front door area from the sliding glass doors? Or, some other window? Does that make sense?
I didn't consider the deputies may not exit from their cars and walk right up to the front door. It could've been a cautious approach b/c of so many unknowns relayed by 911 dispatch.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I am concerned that the sheriff is running on "hope." Hope limits you. Does he not have facts this far out from the event?

I am a fan of this Sheriff. I think he is solid as a rock, and doing a fantastic job working with, and managing the interaction with all the various agencies, as well as the shocked and frightened public.

In examining what we do know at this point, I think there will be a major breakthrough in the very near future. I see things starting to line up as a precursor to an arrest. The rabid animal that perpetrated this horrific crime is now being hunted, and I believe we can all count on this Sheriff, the supporting agencies, and the good people of Wisconsin to bring him in....soon. Very soon I believe.

As to Jayme's fate, the odds are not good at this point. However, like the Sheriff, I maintain hope.

Surrounding those in LE working this case with prayer for continued resolve and strength.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[MsBetsy]

My original post was not commenting on where the truck was parked so much, but how the truck was parked. It appeared to me it was just left in that spot. Lol, I think this horse is dead, so in the scheme of things it is insignificant.

But, I am wondering, is the timeline put out by LE based on the neighbor's reporting they heard gunshots at 12:30? Or are they basing it on something they discovered at the crime scene?

Yes, I have wondered about the reason for the timeline as well. They don't seem to be concerned about the 15 or twenty minutes before he actually arrived at the house. ( In terms of cars driving on the way to the house) One thing I still think may be possible is that the neighbors clock did actually read 12:58, making it actually 12:51 when the shots were heard. Of course we have no way to know for sure, but to me it's an easy mistake. Especially when you are in bed and tired and have no particular reason to remember the time. Or the time did say 12:58 when she looked at it, but when she had to recall it she remembered it as 12:38. I'm not saying I strongly believe this, I just think it's possible since a 5 can look like a 3 at first glance, or at least the bottom part. I wish we knew for sure since it would make more sense. But since it's been consistently reported, that's what I am going by, while keeping in mind the other option which would make it appear that the perp actually kicked down the door, shot two people, and took Jayme all within 13 or 14 minutes. Jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

When I listened to the TCG podcast they said something that made me stop and consider another possibility. Yes, here we go again, the position of James when LE arrived. In the interview Sherriff Fitzgerald made the comment deputies could see his feet as they approached the Closs home. I may have missed this in the previous thread if it was mentioned. But, when deputies arrived they did not have any idea what they were dealing with.
Is it possible that as deputies cautiously approached the Closs home they saw the feet of James through a window/sliding glass door as opposed to his feet hanging out of the front doorway? That could change what I believe about how the front door was kicked in/shot in. Just from looking at the lay out of the house in photos I cant decide.
Deputies may approach guns drawn, 1 officer inching along the front of the house, one officer possibly went to the back of the house. Could they see through to the front door area from the sliding glass doors? Or, some other window? Does that make sense?
I didn't consider the deputies may not exit from their cars and walk right up to the front door. It could've been a cautious approach b/c of so many unknowns relayed by 911 dispatch.

It really doesn't sound like it to me. MOO

"Deputies arrived at that address a short time after the call ended to find no one around on the outside,” Sheriff Fitzgerald says as deputies approached the house, they saw the front door was open and there was a deceased male in that front door way. Officers later found a deceased female while searching the rest of the home.
UPDATE: Sheriff: Missing girl was in home at the time of the murders

 

[CuriousMaine]

I realize this is really nitpicking, but did anyone else find it odd that the first responder on the scene radioed back, "suicide"? Odd phrase given the mysterious nature of the 991 call and obvious front door breakage and the decedent lying on the floor opposite the door with no weapon nearby. Anyway, I am confident law enforcement will prevail in identifying those responsible for this heinous double murder/kidnapping.

We've discussed this at length in previous threads. My theory is: officer(s) had in their memory the previous murder/suicide, where a similar 911 call was also made, last year. They arrived to presumably a quite house, not knowing the familial/marital status of occupants. MOO.

 

[mks762]

I realize this is really nitpicking, but did anyone else find it odd that the first responder on the scene radioed back, "suicide"? Odd phrase given the mysterious nature of the 991 call and obvious front door breakage and the decedent lying on the floor opposite the door with no weapon nearby. Anyway, I am confident law enforcement will prevail in identifying those responsible for this heinous double murder/kidnapping.

This was talked about at length when the 911 transcript first came out. Some people don't think much of it. IMO it tells us that James (who they found first) had a GSW to the head, consistent with where someone would shoot themselves if they were to commit suicide. JUST MY OPINION, this has absolutely not been verified or discussed by MSM or LE.

 

[PommyMommy]

I am a fan of this Sheriff. I think he is solid as a rock, and doing a fantastic job working with, and managing the interaction with all the various agencies, as well as the shocked and frightened public.

In examining what we do know at this point, I think there will be a major breakthrough in the very near future. I see things starting to line up as a precursor to an arrest. The rabid animal that perpetrated this horrific crime is now being hunted, and I believe we can all count on this Sheriff, the supporting agencies, and the good people of Wisconsin to bring him in....soon. Very soon I believe.

As to Jayme's fate, the odds are not good at this point. However, like the Sheriff, I maintain hope.

Surrounding those in LE working this case with prayer for continued resolve and strength.

Amateur opinion and speculation

You just read my mind. I was just thinking about how quiet things have become the last few days, other than the panty thief reports. Calm before the storm, perhaps? MOO