AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

[BlinkOfAnI]

I'm pretty sure that's animal abuse. The article probably referred to the dog only getting treats if he finds something.

My combat vet son has a service dog. A dogs daily routine has so many opportunities to train and keep on point. Feeding is one of them. The dog is always fed but the handler but in conjunction with training. These animals cost a fortune and their health would never be risked by training.
Edited to correct

 

[photographer4]

A scenario in which James has killed his wife, and a third party storms in, killing James, and taking Jayme. Implosable, but . . .

I considered this theory as well and haven't ruled it out as yet. Perhaps someone does in one parent thinking the other will now go with them... will also bring Jayme. But the remaining parent is horrified and won't go thus he/she is also murdered......

 

[debirlfan]

Isn’t this the second time we’ve heard a McDonald’s cheeseburger mentioned as something to look out for? They mentioned it in the 2000 person search right? Could they have some sort of definitive clue that the perp ate at and discarded a McDonalds burger? Where are the McDonalds in Barron? Do they have any other connections to other tips or info we have?

Perhaps one of the suspect vehicles on video going to the drive-thru?

 

[cody22]

Yes. For some reason people have taken the "seeing feet" part as if it meant his feet were seen beyond the door and that may not be the case at all simply because as officers got closer and closer to the house and with an open door would be able to see further into the house as they got closer and be able to see even further if lights were on in the room beyond the front door.

So there is no way for us to determine just how close James was to the door.

Same with his position. His body may not have been found in line with the door and for example, could have been perpendicular to the door with only his feet visible from the vantage point of approaching the front door and the rest of him only observable by entering the front door and looking to the right. We simply do not know.

Does this possibly mean that JC could have been immediately shot as he entered the front door of the home, by a perp who was already in the home waiting ?

 

[rainynights]

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[Songbird1973]

I found it contradictory at first, but my interpretation now is that they didn't even know JC/DC had children for whatever reason (the neighbors obviously didn't seem close to the family relationship-wise, which is OK, imo). But it wasn't until later on that they likely noticed JLC getting of the bus, and at that moment were surprised because in their opinion, they didn't even know they had children. Jmo

I think you are exactly right. For one thing, we really don't know that Mrs Smrekar said things in the order that they were reported. I have, and many other WSers have pointed out that even though the media uses quotes, many statements are out of order, words left out, context removed, the exact wording of the reporter's question is not accurate, etc. Some media are genuinely trying to do the right thing without realizing how it sounds, and others intentionally reword things for sensationalism.

I believe the part about not knowing the Closs's had children could have gone something like this-

Reporter: So did you know Jayme?

Joan: No! For years I didn't even know the Closs's had children.

Reporter: So when did you become aware of her?

Joan: Last year when I saw her get off the school bus every day. (Remember, she had attended school in another district and was bussed to a caregiver' house until about a year ago. Then after the caregiver moved to Barron, Jayme had to switch to the Barron school and was delivered to the Closs house for the first time.)

 

[margarita25]

Thanks for posting this. These guys do a rational analysis of this baffling case. I live one county away and this is the worst crime that's ever happened around here. It's discouraging to hear the investigation is being scaled back. I pity that poor girl.

I think the perp is a local person flying below the cop's radar screen. Somebody with secret homicidal tendencies who became obsessed with Jayme. Somebody who observed her and learned where she lived but that didn't draw attention to himself. In this largely rural area there are hundreds of isolated farms and homesteads. I think the perp is a guy similar to Jaenke-Annis but with more dangerous proclivities. In other words, not just a guy obsessed enough with Jayme to enter the Closs home to steal the missing girl's panties and dress, but to kick in the door, murder the parents, and abduct Jayme herself. Same type guy, only more radical, more intense, and more dangerous. If he stole Jayme to make her his secret, prisoner wife, she may be still alive. The alternative is too sad to talk about.

Welcome Herb.Wis

 

[Lillymac]

Yes. For some reason people have taken the "seeing feet" part as if it meant his feet were seen beyond the door and that may not be the case at all simply because as officers got closer and closer to the house and with an open door would be able to see further into the house as they got closer and be able to see even further if lights were on in the room beyond the front door.

So there is no way for us to determine just how close James was to the door.

Same with his position. His body may not have been found in line with the door and for example, could have been perpendicular to the door with only his feet visible from the vantage point of approaching the front door and the rest of him only observable by entering the front door and looking to the right. We simply do not know.

The police report also said that James had opened the door. At least that's what they initially reported.

 

[Angleterre]

I am very sorry and will delete my posts.
well I dont know how to delete it.lol. I am sorry admin I was just giving a summary of what was there, Please delete my comments I did not mean to violate any rules.

Please dont be sorry, I’m not sure that I am right as it can be a grey area and we all have to learn the hard way on WS which is what makes it the most professional site which upholds integrity as much as is reasonably possible.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Does this possibly mean that JC could have been immediately shot as he entered the front door of the home, by a perp who was already in the home waiting ?

It is possible. But we simply don't know. Forensics will determine where James had to be and where the shooter had to be (position-wise) at the time of each and every shot and there is a high likelihood they will be able to determine the sequence of each shot.

 

[Lillymac]

Headline a synonym for "This case has gone cold."

I don't think so. To me it means with tips having slowed down, we have nothing for all the extra people they brought in to do. It was reported that 200 people were working on the case. Checking tips and following up on leads. If all this has been checked out and not many new ones, there is nothing for them to do. They can't just sit around. jmo

 

[SkipperKey3]

Yes. For some reason people have taken the "seeing feet" part as if it meant his feet were seen beyond the door and that may not be the case at all simply because as officers got closer and closer to the house and with an open door would be able to see further into the house as they got closer and be able to see even further if lights were on in the room beyond the front door.

So there is no way for us to determine just how close James was to the door.

Same with his position. His body may not have been found in line with the door and for example, could have been perpendicular to the door with only his feet visible from the vantage point of approaching the front door and the rest of him only observable by entering the front door and looking to the right. We simply do not know.

And here is where LE definitely knows more than we do. They know exactly where JC was found, in what position, and they know (I would assume) the resultant splatter pattern. They can probably add all that up and tell exactly where he was standing, possibly even what direction he was facing, and even where the shot originated (inside or outside?). I don't think we can tell any of that simply because the first officer on the scene saw his feet when he approached the front door.

 

[Jethro4WS]

The police report also said that James had opened the door. At least that's what they initially reported.

That is a guess on the part of an officer on scene who just got there, just like the guess of suicide which we know turned out wrong. Not all initial observations pan out as we can plainly see.

 

[BeeGirl]

I think you are exactly right. For one thing, we really don't know that Mrs Smrekar said things in the order that they were reported. I have, and many other WSers have pointed out that even though the media uses quotes, many statements are out of order, words left out, context removed, the exact wording of the reporter's question is not accurate, etc. Some media are genuinely trying to do the right thing without realizing how it sounds, and others intentionally reword things for sensationalism.

I believe the part about not knowing the Closs's had children could have gone something like this-

Reporter: So did you know Jayme?

Joan: No! For years I didn't even know the Closs's had children.

Reporter: So when did you become aware of her?

Joan: Last year when I saw her get off the school bus every day. (Remember, she had attended school in another district and was bussed to a caregiver' house until about a year ago. Then after the caregiver moved to Barron, Jayme had to switch to the Barron school and was delivered to the Closs house for the first time.)

Ehhhhh, I dunno - she was pretty clear:

JS: They were very quiet people. We only saw them come and go from their home. We took mail up to them that got delivered to us, and they didn’t even want to come to the door. They were just quiet, preferred I guess to be alone. You didn’t see them out in the yard doing anything. At least we didn`t.
BANFIELD: Did you ever see Jaime with any friends? Or did she ever come and go and get picked up by friends in vehicles of any kind?
JS: That I can`t tell you, I just know that the school bus dropped her off?
BANFIELD: And you would see her dropped off daily in front of the house by the school bus?
JS: Yes.
BANFIELD: But other than that, you didn’t see collections of friends coming and going from that house?
JS: No. We didn’t even know they had any children. They just weren't out there doing things.
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I think the neighbors just need to stop. IMHO they crossed the threshold from 'helpful' to 'offensive, attention-seeking and confusing' a while back.

 

[Miss Mimi]

Why the patio door instead of say a (possible) garage exit? If they did consciously avoid stepping over James in the front doorway, I wonder how calculated this killer was in his/her planning? It would indicate a level of conscious thought in exiting the crime scene and a more organized killer to me. A less organized killer might not even think of the ramifications of stepping over James, possibly coming into contact with blood and leaving footprints etc... But at the same time, if James is dead in the front area... I'm thinking that someone HAD to have stepped over / around him to gain access to the rest of the house... so perhaps police got bloody footprints from the inside of that doorway area?

I hadn't thought of the garage, but now that I have. It is quite possible the area was only used for parking (no access to the home via stairs)? Hmm the stepping over the body is something else I haven't considered. You've got my brain flowing again

 

[rosesfromangels]

Oh my...

 

[Angleterre]

Fitzgerald states 4 times - bring Jayme home.
Subtle but directed at an alive situation?

To be pedantic , it’s 5 times lol but you are absolutely spot on and make a very good observation

 

[DocBrew]

Oh my...

'Twas a joke, of course!

 

[cody22]

Meanwhile back at the search for the lost half eaten MacDonald's cheese burger...........

 

[Trino]

Search for Jayme Closs Enters New Phase

New focus. Online. Hmmmmm.