AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #19

[photographer4]

We can only assume that LE will not discuss evidence of Jayme being in the home because it is evidence that can be used to question any suspects.....

Also makes me think - if there is more than one perp - that LE could ask, or present some item, etc. - and only someone there would know...and be able to verify their account...

Though makes this inquiring mind super curious as to what it could be!

We can reverse this too. Even if it seems odd. They could rule Jayme out as having any involvement when they find her if the details of where she was in the home at the time aren’t released. She can tell them and assuming she’s honest bc why wouldn’t she be... her details should corroborate the things they know from the scene and other evidence. It could just be as simple as excluding someone from being involved.

 

[margarita25]

What boyfriend? A "boyfriend" that the cops and nobody else knows about and who murders her parents?!

99.9% certain it's your scenario about a pedophile or violent home invaders is the correct one. Jayme was taken for a reason and a purpose. Obviously we know why a pedophile would take, but please explain why "violent home invaders" took her? Please give an explanation for that?

I did not say I think violent home invaders took her for sure. Please reread my posts as I clearly said I’m not ruling anything out and am clearly considering all angles and that “everything is still on the table for me”.

This IS a home invasion, regardless of whether or not Jayme was the target.

And as stated there would be plenty of other easier and less violent ways to kidnap her. This is not the common MO of a pedophile abductor, though as I said, that does mean it couldn’t occur as in the case of Hannah Anderson.

I also stated the great measures that would be taken to groom (anonymous phone, dark web, etc), but that chances would be that LE would find out if she had a boyfriend.

There are all kinds of anonymous apps, etc. as well.

The brutal nature of this crime is consistent with the MO of a violent home invasion.

I’ve also clearly stated many times my theory that SA and a home invasion could cross, after all they are capable of murder.

I have also clearly stated I’m not ruling out she was taken for the purpose of securing a hostage just in case.

 

[Seattle1]

LE doesn’t ask “why not”, they ask “why”. If they don’t expect releasing information will help their investigation their obligation is to respect the privacy of the victims and families. I don’t suspect we’ll hear the 911 call or be privy to all the gruesome details as that doesn’t benefit the investigation.

5th decade? Happy Birthday and many happy returns of the day !

 

[Curiousobserver]

Someone may have already answered this, but according to LE, the reason they keep information "close to the vest" is to "protect the integrity of the investigation." There are important details that only the killer knows. They need to ensure those things match with what they know. Both from information they get from witnesses and from the suspect. This is especially important in the conviction and trial. They need to build a strong and solid case, leaving no doubt that this is the only person who could have committed the crime. When too many details are released to the public, it generally causes more harm than good. Jmo

Unless they are so secretive that they don't catch anybody...

 

[SuziQ]

I like this idea a lot, Rainynights !

ETA: I'm having surgery this week, so can't commit to doing the spread sheet, but
I'd be happy to try to help with the research.

broken arm here. Stuck with one hand typing.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Do we know if Closs had guns? I've been wondering about that from the start. Did Closs own guns? That is important to know. Please tell us -- anyone.

I believe I read somewhere that he was an avid hunter. Unfortunately, I don't have a link for that handy, and I don't have time at the moment to look for it. Maybe someone else has a link ?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

broken arm here. Stuck with one hand typing.

You and your lame excuses.

 

[Herb.Wis]

I did t say they took her for sure. Please reread my posts as I clearly said I’m not ruling anything out and am clearly considering all angles.

This IS a home invasion, regardless of whether or not Jayme was the target.

I also stated the great measures that would be taken to groom (anonymous phone, dark web, etc) and that chances would be that LE could track this.

There are all kinds of anonymous apps, etc. as well.

The brutal nature of this crime is consistent with the MO of a violent home invasion.

I’ve also clearly stated many times my theory that SA and a home invasion could cross, after all they are capable of murder.

Yes, yes, yes! But for what purpose did the violent home invaders take Jayme? What was the reason? There must be one! Find that out and then we'll have a better idea of who they might be. Why do you think they took her?

 

[1987]

I believe I read somewhere that he was an avid hunter. Unfortunately, I don't have a link for that handy, and I don't have time at the moment to look for it. Maybe someone else has a link ?

hunter or not does not mean no firearms. I see where if so could increase chance he did own, but if not I don't know that it removes chance father or mother did.

 

[ACG2x]

Unless they are so secretive that they don't catch anybody...

The last thing this case needs is everyone and their brother playing amateur detective more so than is already going on. I posted a few threads back about how it would be a terrible idea to release the 911 call audio right now for two reasons:

1) - Everyone with an internet connection will be lighting up Facebook and other media places (such as here) with their hot takes saying "Aha! I can clearly hear ____" and making connections that aren't there because their amateur ear can clearly outdo the FBI forensic experts that are involved in this case to date.

2) - This is audio from an actual murder scene and may include gunshots of a human being being killed. Unless it clearly has the perp on the audio saying "My name is ____" which would've of course been captured by now, why on earth would anyone want to listen to it?

LE has released descriptions of vehicles that are in the area and general characteristics of someone who has committed a violent act among other stuff. What exactly is LE being so secretive about that if they released it to the public it would break the case wide open?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

hunter or not does not mean no firearms. I see where if so could increase chance he did own, but if not I don't know that it removes chance father or mother did.

I'm saying that if he was, in fact, an avid hunter, then he certainly owned guns. I don't know a single hunter who doesn't own at least one.

 

[photographer4]

My best guess would be is the Casino is most likely the only active open place for someone to hang out and wait for the opportune time without suspicion. And they have security cameras.

But the panty thief parked his bike at a laundromat and walked down to the house... no one seemed suspicious of him or no one saw him til he showed up on camera at the house crime in progress.

 

[SuziQ]

Yes, yes, yes! But for what purpose did the violent home invaders take Jayme? What was the reason? There must be one! Find that out and then we'll have a better idea of who they might be. Why do you think they took her?

Sex. Sorry. That .just makes me ill. I'm not sure the perp knew Jayme was there beforehand.. IMO they took advantage of the opportunity.

Or something like they were spotted at a store and followed home.

 

[margarita25]

Yes, yes, yes! But for what purpose did the violent home invaders take Jayme? What was the reason? There must be one! Find that out and then we'll have a better idea of who they might be. Why do you think they took her?

(I’ve updated my responding post to include reasons why they might take her. These would include SA and needing a hostage.)

 

[Nerissa]

With all due respect ACG2x...your post comes perilously close to 'playing amateur detective'
And...frankly....yes, yes...that is precisely what I'm doing here..
I'm an amateur...
and trying to 'detect' what the heck happened here...
what else is supposed to go on here at websleuths....? Pinnacle?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Pinochle.

And now I really do have to get off of here. Good discussion today guys !

 

[Sachi]

Sex. Sorry. That .just makes me ill. I'm not sure the perp knew Jayme was there beforehand.. IMO they took advantage of the opportunity.

Or something like they were spotted at a store and followed home.

I erased what I was writing similar to yours because it made me feel sick. I'm with you. Unfathomable.

 

[Herb.Wis]

It seems to me that perps using "other opportunities" to abduct their victim fit a different profile. They tend to be the perp that knows to first befriend their victim, charm them with their false persona, and then catch them off guard. Jayme's captor is extremely violent and probably not a charming bone in his body. Her captor was a brute, and I'm still fearful for Jayme. MOO

That's spot on. This was a military like operation to get inside, neutralize the parents, and abduct Jayme as quickly as possible and then to either get her to his hideout or out of the Barron area entirely. Planned and expertly executed from the looks of it.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I erased what I was writing similar to yours because it made me feel sick. I'm with you. Unfathomable.

I couldn't bring myself to say it outright either. UGH.

 

[ACG2x]

With all due respect ACG2x...your post comes perilously close to 'playing amateur detective'
And...frankly....yes, yes...that is precisely what I'm doing here..
I'm an amateur...
and trying to 'detect' what the heck happened here...
what else is supposed to go on here at websleuths....? Pinnacle?

Ha - touche. I am doing the same hence why I post on WS however I'm also aware that I'm not a trained LE professional so there will always be details of an investigation that I won't and shouldn't be privy to. This is also why I almost never will be critical of a LE decision to withhold details to the public. I have no idea what else they have but at this point can only assume that anything additional that would be released wouldn't be the big break in cracking the case, even with public assistance.