AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[tiffkinsadder]

Oh, my, the source was so far back I wouldn't even guess which thread it was. Someone else can probably find it faster than me. I just know we discussed it at length many times and he clarified that Jayme was in the home at the time of the murder based on the 911 call and other evidence at the scene. I'm sorry I don't know the exact wording but it was pretty straight forward. I don't recall anyone interpreting it to mean he wasn't sure but I guess it's possible they may have.

He sounded confident to me. Very early on in the investigation.

 

[Ragnarok]

Unless they were dying.

Maybe, just don't know, like so much of this crime.

 

[kkdj]

A perp could leave later if they know who you are

ah yes.
But still, why not kill Jayme at the same time the perp killed the parents?
That's the part I can't wrap my head around except they must have wanted Jayme.
Had she been stalked?
Did someone think they were her boyfriend?
Is she insurance to the perp?
What is the reason?

 

[Gardener1850]

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Thanks for trying. I found this info on wikipedia that might explain it for me. Some quotes:

"Before automation, calls to a disconnected or non-working number would be diverted to an intercept operator. The operator would ask what number the subscriber was attempting to call, determine the reason for the intercept and relay the information to the calling party.[1]

The first automatic intercept systems used rotating magnetic drums containing multiple recorded phrases, with a computer or mechanical control system playing phrases in the proper sequence. Initially, the caller was given the option to remain on the line for a live operator after the announcement was completed; this has now been removed."

Read more: Intercept message - Wikipedia

There seem to be quite a few variances in what is heard as a disconnect message depending on location and these changed over the years with technology changes. I'm not sure it's cleared up anything for me but I guess I will leave it at that.

 

[1987]

I don't know who did it or why but I am certain of one thing. there is a sick twisted mind involved. moo.

 

[Gardener1850]

If it was staged (call forwarding or someone connected a box to play a recording of the message) then the phone company and dispatch would know it. It's possible someone who works for the phone company could have disconnected the line without authorization but that's easy for LE to find out.

Thank you. Yes, I agree that LE would know that info. I don't think they would disclose it to the public at this point. JMO.

 

[pepper 34]

I'm still mulling over the disconnected phone line. Can someone please provide me with a source that says a landline phone just rings and rings if the line is physically cut or the outside box is somehow messed with?

Let's assume that the 911 operator heard a disconnection message similar to this one:

Convince me (with sources other than anecdotes) that such a message would only be heard if the phone company turned off the phone line. Also, when the phone company disconnects a landline at customer request or as the result of non-payment, what do phone company employees physically do to disconnect it and have that message play? Do they have to do something on the phone pole or at the house box outside? How can we be assured that a smart perp would not know how to do the same thing as a phone company employee?

Sorry to be so dense about this but I'm not convinced yet. I could get there with a little more concrete info. TIA to any who are willing to patiently answer me.

I worked for the phone company in the department that handled these issues along with all outside issues. (Forty years ago but I doubt the procedure has changed although I have no proof but the principles would remain the same imo.) When a customer requests their phone be shut off, that is done from inside the phone company plant; the building where all the lines terminate. Cutting the line off anywhere along the route beyond the plant and up to the actual phone will cause the phone to remain "active" at the plant even though the line is physically cut. (such as in a natural disaster that downed the lines or if someone actually cut the line.) In that case, the phone would ring and ring but, in actuality, of course... no physical phone is ringing at the home end of the line.
When disconnected, the recording is set up by a work order and completed by a plant worker to run a recorded announcement of disconnection. Eventually the recording is removed and that phone # is reassigned to a new customer.
Note: that Youtube video would be useless against bot calling imo... the bot would "see it" as an active phone answered. A person calling might buy it but not a bot, imo.

 

[1987]

Thanks for trying. I found this info on wikipedia that might explain it for me. Some quotes:

"Before automation, calls to a disconnected or non-working number would be diverted to an intercept operator. The operator would ask what number the subscriber was attempting to call, determine the reason for the intercept and relay the information to the calling party.[1]

The first automatic intercept systems used rotating magnetic drums containing multiple recorded phrases, with a computer or mechanical control system playing phrases in the proper sequence. Initially, the caller was given the option to remain on the line for a live operator after the announcement was completed; this has now been removed."

Read more: Intercept message - Wikipedia

There seem to be quite a few variances in what is heard as a disconnect message depending on location and these changed over the years with technology changes. I'm not sure it's cleared up anything for me but I guess I will leave it at that.

if someone was going to tamper with a phone line beyond just cutting it and it doing nothing it would require knowledge and if a perp had knowledge it would be easier to just make the line busy. 3o seconds would be plenty of time to make the line busy. adding a recording does nothing to benefit the perp and takes more time and equipment.

 

[WiseOwl]

Trawling through the internet looking for any information on this case i came across this dated October 16 2018 on usnews.com/Best States/Florida News:

'The grandfather of a Wisconsin teenager who has been missing since her parents were found dead in their home says nothing seemed amiss at a family gathering she and her mother attended the day before her disappearance.

Robert Naiberg told The Associated Press on Tuesday that 13-year-old Jayme Closs "was quiet as always" on Sunday at his grandson's birthday party.

Naiberg is the father of Jayme's mother, 46-year-old Denise Closs, who was found dead along with Jayme's father, 56-year-old James Closs, at around 1 a.m. Monday in their home in the western Wisconsin town of Barron. The authorities are searching for Jayme, who isn't a suspect in her parents' deaths.

Naiberg says his daughter was a "thoughtful person" who brought "a little gift for everybody" at the party. He says Jayme's father was working at the time of the party.'

Did we know this, that James WAS working at the time of the party? This is confirmed by Denise's father according to this news item.

 

[cody22]

Trawling through the internet looking for any information on this case i came across this dated October 16 2018 on usnews.com/Best States/Florida News:

'The grandfather of a Wisconsin teenager who has been missing since her parents were found dead in their home says nothing seemed amiss at a family gathering she and her mother attended the day before her disappearance.

Robert Naiberg told The Associated Press on Tuesday that 13-year-old Jayme Closs "was quiet as always" on Sunday at his grandson's birthday party.

Naiberg is the father of Jayme's mother, 46-year-old Denise Closs, who was found dead along with Jayme's father, 56-year-old James Closs, at around 1 a.m. Monday in their home in the western Wisconsin town of Barron. The authorities are searching for Jayme, who isn't a suspect in her parents' deaths.

Naiberg says his daughter was a "thoughtful person" who brought "a little gift for everybody" at the party. He says Jayme's father was working at the time of the party.'

Did we know this, that James WAS working at the time of the party? This is confirmed by Denise's father according to this news item.

Yes. We have known this for a couple of weeks. Thank you for sharing it though.

 

[bizzle2]

Give me a link. I’ve read those it doesn’t quite say that. If I remember the wording right.

It's the Oct 17 press conference. About 9-10 minutes in.

Sheriff Fitzgerald: "We believe Jayme was home based on the evidence in our case...um...some of it...um...from that 911 call. And some of it is still a part of the active investigation and we're not able to comment on why we believe that."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1262212400583182

 

[doublestop]

Yep. Happens every time.....Casinos, phones, over and over.... All we need is a fitbit.....LOL !

Actually, this does make me wonder if Jaymee had a fitbit or equivalent, since she was a runner. I don't believe I would mention that if I were the sheriff, so they don't take it from her.

 

[MassGuy]

I rank the possibility of casino-backed action in this crime slightly behind extraterrestrial vengeance.

Agreed. That’s just not how it works in real life.

 

[Le Singe]

Give me a link. I’ve read those it doesn’t quite say that. If I remember the wording right.

you have to watch the press conference from the afternoon of wednesday the 17th it came directly from the sheriffs mouth.

 

[Bugurl747]

Another thing that I have been thinking about with the Crime scene, Sheriff Fitzgerald said something to the effect that they came across a child's bedroom in the house and had to call the school security guard to see if there was a known child living there. Besides that being odd, Does anyone think that statement may indicate the if the room was left alone, or normal?

Perhaps that is standard LE procedure in verifying the primary physical custody arrangements of a child? Verification that the child is registered in the school district?
This doesn't pertain to JC and DC, but I know per school security guidelines, there are child custody laws in place for school personnel regarding shared custody with biological parents, grandparents, etc.

Depending if the child was school age, the school would know if the student was in the hospital for extended time periods or in a worse case scenario if there was history of a deceased child where the family may have kept the room intact.....just my thoughts.

 

[Quill]

I read the same thing. However, I think the end result was kicked in, stated in links. Do you have a link stating shot through? Cause that changes everything with my theory.

I don't have that link. It is way back in earlier threads. Even that said, it was just a quote from a family member and not a quote from LE.

 

[cody22]

Actually, this does make me wonder if Jaymee had a fitbit or equivalent, since she was a runner. I don't believe I would mention that if I were the sheriff, so they don't take it from her.

I wonder if Jayme was on a soccer team also ?

 

[Gardener1850]

I worked for the phone company in the department that handled these issues along with all outside issues. (Forty years ago but I doubt the procedure has changed although I have no proof but the principles would remain the same imo.) When a customer requests their phone be shut off, that is done from inside the phone company plant; the building where all the lines terminate. Cutting the line off anywhere along the route beyond the plant and up to the actual phone will cause the phone to remain "active" at the plant even though the line is physically cut. (such as in a natural disaster that downed the lines or if someone actually cut the line.) In that case, the phone would ring and ring but, in actuality, of course... no physical phone is ringing at the home end of the line.
When disconnected, the recording is set up by a work order and completed by a plant worker to run a recorded announcement of disconnection. Eventually the recording is removed and that phone # is reassigned to a new customer.
Note: that Youtube video would be useless against bot calling imo... the bot would "see it" as an active phone answered. A person calling might buy it but not a bot, imo.

Thank you for the info Pepper. That makes sense. If the change has to be done at the plant then there is little to no chance someone made a disconnection message happen another way. I appreciate your answer.

 

[Bluepopsicle]

Regarding any reaction during the invasion/double murder/ Jayme's disappearance by JC, DC, or Jayme herself, I wanted to mention the bodies natural physiological reaction FIGHT vs FLIGHT.

The fight-or-flight response occurs in response to a perceived harmful event, attack, or threat to survival and is unique to the individual. One may think they would respond a certain way to a situation but one doesn't necessarily know until they are in it.

I find it difficult going back and forth at times because of the variables and or the combination of variables just in their responses alone without any evidence shared by LE. MOO

I’d like to throw another “F” into the mix as well... and that is “freeze”. I would hope most people wouldn’t have this reaction, but once when I was a little older than Jayme is, I was in a possible life-threatening situation, and instead of fleeing or fighting, I froze on the spot. It was like I couldn’t make myself move, even though every fiber of my being was telling me to run.

Still scares me to this day...I’ve never had another situation like that, but I would hope that next time I wouldn’t freeze. Kind of a failure of a response to have. Sort of like those fainting goats I guess lol.

 

[pepper 34]

Give me a link. I’ve read those it doesn’t quite say that. If I remember the wording right.

“Her parents died from gunshot wounds that's why we are ruling this a homicide. There was no gun found on the scene. We believe Jayme was home based on the evidence in our case. Some of it from that 911 call and some of it is still part of the active investigation and we're not able to comment on why we believe that,” said Fitzgerald.

Sheriff: Jayme Closs was home at time of murders