AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #23

[BlinkOfAnI]

Oh honey I am so sorry if you took my post that way. I have such great respect for you too and for everyone on this forum.

In no way was anything directed toward you nor really anyone else either.

I just think theories should at least have some collaborative basis for them to be formalize especially since Jim is a victim of a cold blooded murder who has no ability to defend himself. That is just how 'I' look at all cases though..not just this one.

Others of course have the same right to look at cases anyway they wish to do it. I am just expressing my own opinions.

Yet here there hasn't been even a hint Jim even gambled or went to the casino.

Imo the reporters would have long found that out by now since this is such a small community.

Yet after almost a month not one person has said Jim was even a casino gambler or even gambled at all.

All we have been told is Jim worked 60 to 80 hours a week putting in long hard hours and he worked on 10.. 14.. 18. That doesnt leave a lot of free time. The only other thing we have learned about Jim's off time is he went to the gym.

I truly think the only reason the casino was even mentioned in the call log at all is because LE knew they would have camera footage of the road which could possibly show them what vehicles passed by right before and after the crimes had happened.

Imo if the casino had not been close by the murder scene location the casino wouldnt have even come up or been mentioned in the 911 call log ...imo

While I do understand your theory....I honestly do not understand the ones who say Jim had some kind of imaginary unknown gambling debt so high that its the reason he and Denise were murdered because of it and Jayme taken.

I have seen nothing whatsoever in almost a month's time that even begins to support that thinking.

I could understand it of course if someone said he was known to hang out at the casino gambling all the time on his off time but not one person who knows him has said even such a thing. None...that I am aware of...

That's all I am saying and I do understand people have been killed when they have won money or the lottery.

It happened to a young man in my own state who lived about 45 miles away from us. The man had won 140K on a stratch off ticket and of course it made the local news and a photo of the man and his name was in it

Iirc there were 2 suspects and they forced their way into his home one night demanding he give them the money he had won but he had already put it all in the bank.

They shot and murdered the poor man right in front of his wife and several of his young children. It was a heartbreaking case filled with evil and greed.

I just don't think that is the case here. Jmoo

Thank you for the reply and for being so considerate. I wish I had your eloquence when posting. I honestly think and rethink anything I post and then rethink it after. So thanks for putting my mind at ease. Your amazing. I'd just like to place JC anywhere during that day or night so there was a better timeline to go by. When I watched JC's brother interviewed and rewatched DC's family interview last night it was an exercise in how different relationships can be in families. Brother and brother, sister and sister, brother and sister. All love, support, and respect each other but they express it differently. So when JC's brother said his 1st reaction to the news was did JC get himself in trouble or debt (he later dispelled his thoughts) I was a little surprised though I shouldn't have been. But it led me to think about my grown sons and how they might act or talk in the same situation and I can see them reacting similarly and wondering the same thing. Not because the brother was known to get in trouble but because there is a lifetime of memories all balled up into one and before becoming responsible adults they weren't bad but they weren't perfect little angels either. Ok, I'm rambling now and that may not have made sense lol. Hugs to you Ocean

 

[Mistermagoo]

I would think they'd want to rule out that no one had a second phone or things like tablets. If Jayme had been groomed or in contact with someone they may have provided a phone for her to use. I do find it interesting Jayme's phone was in the kitchen. I would assume most teenage girls would want their cell phone close by. Do most/many parents make kids leave their phones in a public place after a certain time? My kids don't have cell phones yet, but I let them keep their tablets/computers in their rooms. They use their tablets for their morning alarms and watch videos until their designated "turn 'em off" time.




I'm just curious how they know all guns are accounted for. Most of our family know we own guns, but none of them would know how many and there would be no real way to know for certain unless he only had one or two, but even then, people buy new guns all the time.

It's certainly curious that he didn't try to grab a gun, but if he keeps them locked up and unloaded at all times, there probably wasn't enough time to access one if someone kicked in a door. And if he was asleep, it may have woken him up, but he may not have been aware of what he heard. I doubt hearing someone kick down your door is something most people would expect in the middle of the night.

I'm sure that they are speaking of any registered guns. Could be that he had guns that that were not registered.

 

[Le Singe]

Not necessarily going with Furhman's theory although I always respect his imput, but maybe if his theory is correct, Jayme was taken merely because she could identify the killer. JMO

its true kidnapping victims tell few tales, but dead men tell no tales.

^^My cryptic way of giving my input on this.

 

[WillenFan21]

It' has been awhile since I've caught up with Jayme's case. Has there been anything new?

 

[WiseOwl]

Also, Paul Blume stated that the family told him that they talked to Denise on the phone at 10:00 pm and everything was normal. I wonder if Paul knows if James was home at that point. I don't have a twitter account to ask. I know somebody here has been asking him questions and he has answered. Perhaps this could dispel any "followed him home from the Casino at 12:30 am" theories.

Paul Blume said on twitter earlier:

'I sat down w/ Denise Closs side of family for this interview. They *believe* James was at work that afternoon. But acknowledged they don't know that with 100% certainty. One of the issues I am working to confirm'.

So his next tweet on this case should be interesting.

 

[Mistermagoo]

Paul Blume said on twitter earlier:

'I sat down w/ Denise Closs side of family for this interview. They *believe* James was at work that afternoon. But acknowledged they don't know that with 100% certainty. One of the issues I am working to confirm'.

So his next tweet on this case should be interesting.

TY

 

[Mountain_Kat]

The special K9 search could be as simple as looking for a perp's phone or just covering their bases as well.

If the suspect(s) left behind a phone, don't you think we would have some answers in this case by now ? Unless maybe it was a burner phone.

That's the 2nd source now that says they have Jayme's phone. Detail on location is new and may explain some things. If they always charged their phones in the kitchen overnight then the phones are not close at hand in the event of a surprise kick-in-the-door attack while everyone is asleep. Also might explain the chair that looks like a kitchen chair that was taken away. Maybe Denise ran for her phone in the kitchen and the perp shot in that direction? She might have managed to call 911, but perhaps she dropped the phone after she was injured. Perhaps she ran into the bathroom after that. Jayme's phone might have still been plugged in undisturbed because she was hiding. JMO.



That is puzzling. I still wonder if they were searching for hidden cameras or evidence that someone was watching the family prior to the crime. Maybe they found something? Maybe LE set up their own cameras in hopes that the perp would come back to retrieve his hidden equipment?

Or perhaps they suspected that one of the Closses might have been using hidden cameras. As far fetched as that may sound, I actually do know a father who used a hidden camera because he suspected his teenage son was doing something he shouldn't have been doing when home alone. The worst they caught their son doing was screwing around on his skateboard on their hardwood floors, but still...they did video tape him.

 

[Le Singe]

Thought it was at 8:30 when sister spoke to Denise? Not 10pm?

watch the video @Mistermagoo posted a few pages back he says on of DC sisters *talked* to her on the phone at 10:00 what we had heard earlier was a text at 8:30 so this is new. I trust Paul Blume he has not been pumping out any crap over the last month at all and seem to try hard to get the fact straight before putting them out.

 

[MesquiteO21]

Pretty sure Fitzgerald clarifies this in the Dryden Wire interview. They needed to make sure she wasn’t at a relative’s house or a friend’s house having a sleepover.

moo.

Ah yes that makes sense. Haven't had the chance to watch the interview yet but I'm planning on it.

 

[Gardener1850]

In this article New Video Surveillance Search Expanded, Electronic Device Detecting K-9 Used in Jayme Closs Search it mentions that after the police found Jim and Denise dead, they didn't know if anyone else lived there until they contacted a school resource officer. I would think there would be a room that obviously belonged to a teenage girl, and if it was 1 am, very likely the bed was unmade, etc, so they wouldn't assume it was a kid who only lived with them part time. Thoughts?

No, LE doesn't assume things like that. These days so many families are step families or blended families or even foster families. They have to check with some official source if they don't know the family (and LE said there had never been a call to the Closs house before). The room could belong to a child who only visits on the weekend. Or a grandchild. Or a niece. Or a child they lost recently. Not knowing the family, LE has no way of knowing their personal living situation, if they have children that should have been present or not and who should be contacted for an emergency contact when the parents are dead. The unmade bed may have made it look like she had been there but there are also teens who are not good about making their bed everyday. JMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Furhmans theory confuses me only in that if Denise was the target: why did they take Jayme?

I wish I had seen the last part of his interview but as I was riveted to every moment as to what he said.

But then our furbabies began loudly barking and the post lady was delivering a package to us at the same time. So I missed the end of his interview. Dang it.

I am sure he put forth his seasoned law enforcement opinion about Jayme and I hate I missed the last part especially since most interview are edited and shorten when they are put online....even if they are ...for some are not.

My own personal opinion if Denise was truly the intended target this person knew how much Jayme meant to her parents including Denise which Jayme was very close to her mom like two peas in a pod. And all of her extended family members as well who also deeply love Jayme.

He wanted them to worry about the unknown not knowing if Jayme is dead or alive.

That way he continues to remain in full control over others lives even now and is still be able to hurt all of those left behind even after he left 2 murdered victims in the home.

Imo he wants everyone who has ever loved James..Denise or Jayme to continue to be devastated by their losses.

Imo he likes seeing all of their family and friends twisting in the wind by not knowing what he has done with their much loved Jayme.

Its common for family members of missing children to say the hardest part is not knowing where they are or not knowing what happened to them.

I think the suspect relishes in toying with their emotions knowing he only controls Jaymes destiny and all of them are helpless.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Are you serious? When did anyone in the family have time to make meth on the back deck? James worked 80 hours weeks. Denise worked full time as well and Jayme is 13 and active in extracurriculars like dance and cross country running. People who live in a rural area often have coolers for keeping wild game in or for when they go fishing or for when they make a grocery trip to a far away store for perishable items not available in their immediate area. Owning more than one cooler is in no way suspicious. JMO.

My spouse has similar coolers for boating & fishing. He fillets the fish at the marina and brings them home wrapped and in ice to put in the freezer. The coolers aren't allowed in the house even when cleaned so they sit until the next fishing trip. JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

First Fitzgerald is not going to admit knowing anything other than what his team has decided best to release. He can lie and deny to protect the integrity of this investigation. It’s extremely important that he do so.

My educated guess is that they know much more than they are sharing. And it’s police procedure. If Jayme is alive it may keep her alive.

I absolutely agree with you. That doesn't mean that I can't point out a denial, or a discrepancy, or an outright deception if I believe it to be the case, though.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

I'm sure that they are speaking of any registered guns. Could be that he had guns that that were not registered.

I read where LE was seen taking out rifle bags. What are those called? Where you keep your rifle or shotguns. That they were empty. Family said no guns were missing.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

In this article New Video Surveillance Search Expanded, Electronic Device Detecting K-9 Used in Jayme Closs Search it mentions that after the police found Jim and Denise dead, they didn't know if anyone else lived there until they contacted a school resource officer. I would think there would be a room that obviously belonged to a teenage girl, and if it was 1 am, very likely the bed was unmade, etc, so they wouldn't assume it was a kid who only lived with them part time. Thoughts?

The knowledge that a child lived there would not necessarily mean she was missing. They had to have some type of verification that Jayme was not at an overnighter or with friends before requesting the AA.

 

[Steelslady]

This probably makes no sense to anyone else but me.

I have said from the beginning, I have a feeling a woman is involved in this. Why, you ask? She couldn't kill Jayme. Her anger was directed at one of the parents and just couldn't hurt her.

Just my opinion, feel free to laugh or tear apart my theory. I could very well be wrong. I just can't shake this blasted feeling a woman is involved in these murders.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Paul Blume said on twitter earlier:

'I sat down w/ Denise Closs side of family for this interview. They *believe* James was at work that afternoon. But acknowledged they don't know that with 100% certainty. One of the issues I am working to confirm'.

So his next tweet on this case should be interesting.

Early on in the investigation the Sheriff said James was at work. It’s on the media time line post at the beginning of each thread. IMO, he was at work that day.

 

[Marli61]

Apologies if this has already been posted. This article says Jayme's phone was found plugged in in the kitchen.
New Video Surveillance Search Expanded, Electronic Device Detecting K-9 Used in Jayme Closs Search

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yeah, I was thinking since the family and news have come out with so much more this last week, maybe it's easier to start eliminating things to get a clearer picture. Right now, to me, it is just a huge clustered closet of information that needs to be cleaned and sorted.

Exactly. We need to redo the timeline and look at things from a new perspective, imo.

 

[gipsypup]

This probably makes no sense to anyone else but me.

I have said from the beginning, I have a feeling a woman is involved in this. Why, you ask? She couldn't kill Jayme. Her anger was directed at one of the parents and just couldn't hurt her.

Just my opinion, feel free to laugh or tear apart my theory. I could very well be wrong. I just can't shake this blasted feeling a woman is involved in these murders.

Yes, I feel the reason Jayme may not have been killed like her parents is because she was either the target
OR the parents were the target and the perp(s) involved just couldn't hurt her or the dog. This made me think a woman could be involved also. JMO.