AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[bellyup]

But a cell phone can be traced. And I guess they could even find out if someone was using an app at the scene.
I did find portable police scanners (Dutch). Maybe one of you guys can tell me more about US scanners. Can such a scanner be traced?

What puzzles me is if the perp found out via a scanner that police was dispatched. Someone had to disconnect Denise's phone. I can't imagine it was one of the victims. So how did the perp find out?

In the US if a 911 call is made and there’s no response or all they hear is a commotion; chances are really high that they are dispatching an officer to look into it.

You wouldn’t need a scanner to believe that police were on their way at the moment you knew a 911 call had been made. I’m guessing either the perp saw Denise make the call, caught Jayme making the call, or saw the phone laying there lit up and then saw it had connected to 911.

 

[photographer4]

But a cell phone can be traced. And I guess they could even find out if someone was using an app at the scene.
I did find portable police scanners (Dutch). Maybe one of you guys can tell me more about US scanners. Can such a scanner be traced?

What puzzles me is if the perp found out via a scanner that police was dispatched. Someone had to disconnect Denise's phone. I can't imagine it was one of the victims. So how did the perp find out?

You’re assuming perp knew during commission of the crime. He may not have known. Battery may have died. Phone may been dropped and kicked later after disconnected. Heck caller may have disconnected the call themselves and kicked the phone away to try to conceal they’d made the call for help.

 

[daisy6441]

The "woods" around her house are more like a wooded lot. If you go too far back you hit train tracks. Too far on either side and you run into other houses. I haven't seen anything to tell the exact scale of the property but its not too isolated. Traffic at that time of night was probably light (cops said they didn't pass anyone) so good chance of driving in and out quickly, maybe without even being seen. If they made their escape in the opposite direction of town then it might mean they live or have a hideout in that direction. The surrounding properties all seem to be farm land and the dairy. I would like the think the farmers checked their fields even if they had already harvested but was there any mention of it?

 

[DutchTreat]

In the US if a 911 call is made and there’s no response or all they hear is a commotion; chances are really high that they are dispatching an officer to look into it.

You wouldn’t need a scanner to believe that police were on their way at the moment you knew a 911 call had been made. I’m guessing either the perp saw Denise make the call, caught Jayme making the call, or saw the phone laying there lit up and then saw it had connected to 911.

You could be richt. But I still think it's odd that there was a lot of time between the two gunshots at 00.30 and the moment police was dispatched. But as soon as they were on the way, the 911 call ended.
So did the perp discover the call beeing made? Or did a scanner alert the perp?

 

[daisy6441]

You could be richt. But I still think it's odd that there was a lot of time between the two gunshots at 00.30 and the moment police was dispatched. But as soon as they were on the way, the 911 call ended.
So did the perp discover the call beeing made? Or did a scanner alert the perp?

I asked about cell phone signals in Barron but don't remember getting an answer. It could be there is a bad signal in their house and the call ended itself.

 

[DutchTreat]

You’re assuming perp knew during commission of the crime. He may not have known. Battery may have died. Phone may been dropped and kicked later after disconnected. Heck caller may have disconnected the call themselves and kicked the phone away to try to conceal they’d made the call for help.

Well if that happened it's even stranger. To be gone just in time. Could be coincidence. Or not.

 

[Lillymac]

This is a good point and it could be one reason they may have taken her when they initially had no intention of taking her. In that scenario they could not just kill her and leave her there because it would leave their DNA there. Hmmmm.

IMO I am leaning toward the theory that he/they came there to take her in the first place and must have known their parents would never approve of her leaving with him/them so he/they had plans to take out the parents and get her.

I have no basis for why I think this other than its been my first thought ever since this happened and for now I am leaning that way still.

After this massacre, why are we thinking Jayme is the only one who has their DNA on them? What about the doors, the phone, the chair?? And in reverse, the perps surely have the parents DNA all over them from blood splatter...not to mention the getaway car.

 

[human]

As always, this case has been on my mind every day. Thought I'd share what I'm thinking could have happened.
I don't believe anyone saw her playing in her yard and came back to get her. Their property had so many trees blocking the highway - plus a HIGHWAY... that's not easy to park and stare/study a child as someone could if it were a normal street. SO... assuming they were targeting her, they had to have seen her elsewhere besides her house. Dance? I'm unsure.

The thing that has always bugged me is if they wanted Jayme, why not take her in a way that did not require committing a double homicide? A thought about that -- let's just say the person discovered her elsewhere and she came home and told her parents about someone who scared her. If the perp knew/assumed she'd say something to her parents about him he'd have to remove them or they'd be able to tell police about him after the kidnapping.

Eh, even as I type this I'm questioning myself... haha! I just want to make sense of all of this!

Waiting for or getting off of the school bus

 

[daisy6441]

After this massacre, why are we thinking Jayme is the only one who has their DNA on them? What about the doors, the phone, the chair?? And in reverse, the perps surely have the parents DNA all over them from blood splatter...not to mention the getaway car.

If they were wearing gloves they don't have to worry about what they touch. But if they grabbed her and she bit them that would be a problem. They also don't have to worry about what is on them because they can clean it or get rid of it when they get back home.

 

[human]

The "woods" around her house are more like a wooded lot. If you go too far back you hit train tracks. Too far on either side and you run into other houses. I haven't seen anything to tell the exact scale of the property but its not too isolated. Traffic at that time of night was probably light (cops said they didn't pass anyone) so good chance of driving in and out quickly, maybe without even being seen. If they made their escape in the opposite direction of town then it might mean they live or have a hideout in that direction. The surrounding properties all seem to be farm land and the dairy. I would like the think the farmers checked their fields even if they had already harvested but was there any mention of it?

Is it active farm land ?

 

[daisy6441]

Is it active farm land ?

I can see the rows on some of the plots. I think the google images are a year or so old though.

 

[Lillymac]

If they were wearing gloves they don't have to worry about what they touch. But if they grabbed her and she bit them that would be a problem. They also don't have to worry about what is on them because they can clean it or get rid of it when they get back home.

That's all true, so does the perp live alone? Where is Jayme at this point?
Maybe he had a second set of clothes, or cover-ups. But what does he do with them? Maybe this was a reason for the second 2000 man search.

 

[Lillymac]

Is it active farm land ?

There is a dairy farm there.

 

[JRW]

I keep going over and over this case in my head... Something about the fact that they originally called in a possible suicide when the LE arrived on the scene doesn't sit well with me... It makes me think it has something to do with how or where James was laying. Again that's just my opinion and something that keeps coming back to me for some reason. I have also started trying to look at LE's actions from the different direction. Instead of focusing on what they are doing i'm trying to think of what they aren't doing. I think that might give more insight into what details they know or don't know about the case. What they are doing has been picked over with a fine tooth comb, so what is missing here? What aren't they asking for, what aren't they looking for?

 

[Lillymac]

I keep going over and over this case in my head... Something about the fact that they originally called in a possible suicide when the LE arrived on the scene doesn't sit well with me... It makes me think it has something to do with how or where James was laying. Again that's just my opinion and something that keeps coming back to me for some reason. I have also started trying to look at LE's actions from the different direction. Instead of focusing on what they are doing i'm trying to think of what they aren't doing. I think that might give more insight into what details they know or don't know about the case. What they are doing has been picked over with a fine tooth comb, so what is missing here? What aren't they asking for, what aren't they looking for?

That is a standard first call entry done by the person receiving the 911 call. It does make me wonder if there was something that indicated shots had been fired.

ETA

 

[Nemellotus]

I just spotted this--> 28 miles from Barron, NC
Two men charged after 13-year-old girl went missing in Wilkes County
Warrant issued-another 13 year old kidnapped.
Just crazy.....

Update: Girl found safe...But look at the color car that was used...
Missing 13-year-old girl in Wilkes County found safe

 

[cryscrys]

I keep going over and over this case in my head... Something about the fact that they originally called in a possible suicide when the LE arrived on the scene doesn't sit well with me... It makes me think it has something to do with how or where James was laying. Again that's just my opinion and something that keeps coming back to me for some reason. I have also started trying to look at LE's actions from the different direction. Instead of focusing on what they are doing i'm trying to think of what they aren't doing. I think that might give more insight into what details they know or don't know about the case. What they are doing has been picked over with a fine tooth comb, so what is missing here? What aren't they asking for, what aren't they looking for?

I was literally just about to write about the suicide part. Was it called in as a possible suicide by the dispatcher or the First Arriving officers. I believe the answer to that will really narrow down some of the possible options or motives that are left. I think if we go through the entire case trying to eliminate rather than add this can be figured out. I firmly believe once we have a pretty good idea of the motive everything else will come together. I truly don't believe this was random.

 

[JRW]

Thoughts on SAR dogs ... They follow the freshest scent. Any dogs being used by LE for tracking are trained to do this and with FBIs early involvement I have zero doubt that any dogs used in the first few days were near 100% accurate. Regardless of weather.

They even called in an electronic detection dog (these aren’t common and he likely came from quite the distance). I have assumed that this late in the case if anything the dogs found was useful it would have been used. If they said Jaymes trail stopped in the driveway, I’m confident it stopped in the driveway.

Then again, I have more confidence in a K-9 officer than I ever will any human officer.

So this would mean that the kidnapper was parked in the driveway i'm guessing....with their house having a barrier of trees between it and the highway, could James have come to the door simply for the reason that a car was pulling into and parking in their driveway?

 

[Ragnarok]

Makes it more interesting they seem to have gone the opposite way from which all police attended the scene, doesn’t it? Wonder if they knew police would come from the other way and thus exited the area via the other direction on purpose to avoid police

I've wondered if the crime was planned to coincide with the sheriff's shift change. The arrival of the three officers in a relatively short time for me is odd. Sheriff's here are all over the county. Even the Township police here do not arrive that close together regardless of time of day. Maybe they were just hanging out at the station or involved with a prior incident?

 

[JRW]

I was literally just about to write about the suicide part. Was it called in as a possible suicide by the dispatcher or the First Arriving officers. I believe the answer to that will really narrow down some of the possible options or motives that are left. I think if we go through the entire case trying to eliminate rather than add this can be figured out. I firmly believe once we have a pretty good idea of the motive everything else will come together. I truly don't believe this was random.

I believe it was from the first arriving officers... that was the first statement in the report, or near the first statement upon arriving