AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[human]

I found early on that there is an 8 AM to 4 PM shift. Don't know if that is for all personnel or just support. If all then maybe a following 4 to 12 followed by a 12 to 8 shifts. If not 8 hour shifts then I have no idea.

My friend’s son is LE and he patrols. His shift may be ten or 12 hours. I forget. Not in Wisconsin. He has so many days on and then several days off.

 

[PommyMommy]

Not sure why it took so long for them to dig deeper... but update tonight says they are:

Investigators conducting more interviews in search for Jayme Closs

Thank you, elektroangel. From the link:

“We’re looking back a little farther in their social media and phone records,” said Fitzgerald. “We’re going back further, seeing who they called maybe 60 days ago to see if there's something that maybe triggered this a while ago. Obviously, we didn't find anything recently so we're looking a little wider now.”

At the FBI headquarters in Milwaukee, a team of video specialists is piecing together more than 80 pieces of surveillance footage.

Fitzgerald told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS he was expecting an update on that Tuesday but it wasn't finished. He said the video will become more valuable once they have a suspect.

If they get a credible lead, he said more state and federal resources will be available at a moments notice.

 

[bellyup]

Not sure why it took so long for them to dig deeper... but update tonight says they are:

Investigators conducting more interviews in search for Jayme Closs

WHAT?
60 days ago would have been TWO WEEKS before the crime?!?

Please tell me they didn’t only look at calls made in two weeks leading up to the crime. I’m misreading this, right?

They need to be looking at months... years even!!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

WHAT?
60 days ago would have been TWO WEEKS before the crime?!?

Please tell me they didn’t only look at calls made in two weeks leading up to the crime. I’m misreading this, right?

They need to be looking at months... years even!!

I’m sure he meant 60 days prior to the crime. Saying “ago” was likely just a slip-up.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Not sure why it took so long for them to dig deeper... but update tonight says they are:

Investigators conducting more interviews in search for Jayme Closs

From the story at the link.

At the FBI headquarters in Milwaukee, a team of video specialists is piecing together more than 80 pieces of surveillance footage.

Fitzgerald told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS he was expecting an update on that Tuesday but it wasn't finished. He said the video will become more valuable once they have a suspect.

BBM. Now that I find to be odd.

 

[crhedBngr]

FWIW . . . I think there was an overwhelming amount of information and tips for LE to examine on this case. There must be something causing them to zero in on the 60 days prior to the crime.

Regarding Fitzgerald's video comment, maybe they have a suspect(s) in mind, and need to ascertain this person's involvement both on the video and through social media records.

JMVHO.

 

[Maybelline]

Does anyone know how far the Closs residence is from the Sheriff’s office. I am thinking it must be close or deputies were nearby to be able to get to the Closs house so quickly.

 

[Andreee]

From the story at the link.



BBM. Now that I find to be odd.

What's BBM?

 

[crhedBngr]

What's BBM?

Bolded By Me.

 

[OhThatVictoria]

Does anyone know how far the Closs residence is from the Sheriff’s office. I am thinking it must be close or deputies were nearby to be able to get to the Closs house so quickly.

3 miles / 6 minutes away

Google Maps

 

[Jethro4WS]

What's BBM?

Bolded by me.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Can't "Like", sorry. WS isn't working quite well at the moment.

 

[andreww]

• "10/15/18 01:00:30 - dispatched units arrive on scene. [22]
• 10/15/18 01:03 - dispatch is advised of possible suicide attempt. Requested assistance, first responders. [22]
• 10/15/18 1:05:19 - dispatch is advised of one male down, multiple rounds spent. [22]
• 10/15/18 01:06:19 - dispatch is advised to request ERT; door has been kicked in, male who is down had answered the door. [22]"

This states that Dispatch was advised of possible suicide attempt 3 minutes after units arrives on the scene.

Exactly. I believe the suicide situation was suggested by the officer based on what he saw from his car, the body lying in the doorway. Three minutes after that he is calling in with new info about the door being kicked in. Then again, a few minutes later, about finding a second body.

 

[andreww]

From the story at the link.



BBM. Now that I find to be odd.

Likely just video of the highway. Dozens and dozens of cars. Once they have a suspect and know what type of car they drive, they can look at that video and likely identify the car heading to and from the crime.

 

[KLM6]

Ahh I’ve been waiting for this. No I do NOT think this was a murder suicide nor do I think there’s a police cover up (from someone else’s post). I don’t know what to think of it but we know or at least I think most of us believe it wasn’t a suicide so what made them think it was a suicide? The call log is one of the VERY few things we do have so I think every word needs to continue to be looked at and analyzed and questioned. We have no new information. I think it’ll tell us about the crime scene. What state was James found in? Shotgun injury to the head?? That would’ve been very loud. If anyone was asleep they would not be after that. I’ve said before many many threads back that I think we can deduce that James was shot in the head, probably just once, based on the arriving officer calling it a suicide.
I will say it again- I do not think James committed suicide nor do I think there’s something the police are covering up or whatever it was that another poster questioned. If he was shot once in the head that makes me think he’s the first one shot as he comes to answer the door. Which also means JC and abductor(s) would almost certainly have to go out the side door since James was laying at the front door. This is a lot of finagling for a perp(s) to do in 4 minutes if they’ve never been to the house before. Idk now I’m going off on a tangent.
I just think it’s something concrete that we have and should keep in mind. The arriving officer called it a possible suicide. Why was that? Sorry for the long post!!!!

This.

I tried saying this before, but mks says it so much better.

Putting suicide as the "cause of death" completely aside....its a homicide.

BUT....

1:03 - possible suicide attempt
1:04 - apparent suicide

WHAT gave the officer reason to believe there was a "possible suicide attempt"?

Next call was "apparent suicide". Imho, the WHAT in my above question is the reason they called it "apparent suicide".

It wasnt just seeing feet. And it wasnt because thats the kind of call these guys are used to.

Imho, There was something there that made them think that a suicide attempt was possible. What was that?

Ignoring this tiny "what" could possibly be big for the way we look at this as it could be evidence to the case, even if it was initially misinterpreted.

This post is NOT about whether he comitted suicide or not, its about WHAT could have possibly initially gave the officers reason to believe it was.

Thanks Mks for helping me put that better into words.

 

[sbsuzilight]

What's BBM?

Bolder by me.

 

[elektroangel]

Sounds good... mentions calls last 60 days...
I don’t know if u can retrieve deleted text .. would think that would be interesting read... at least on some potential suspects ?? Especially 10 days prior to crimes..

It is my understanding that those records can be obtained with a search warrant. The providers have the info.

My issue is they are going to go back "maybe" 60 days. Not a definite. Also that isn't a long time. If my family was in this situation and they only went back 30 days they wouldn't find anyone angry with us. If they went back to September they would find my marine corps BIL and his wife angry and cutting ties. Who's to say Jayme didn't have an internet boyfriend 3 months ago that her parents found out about? Grounded her from devices without their supervision, etc. If they only searched back the past month it seems really negligent on their part.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Just marking my spot.

 

[Mistermagoo]

This.

I tried saying this before, but mks says it so much better.

Putting suicide as the "cause of death" completely aside....its a homicide.

BUT....

1:03 - possible suicide attempt
1:04 - apparent suicide

WHAT gave the officer reason to believe there was a "possible suicide attempt"?

Next call was "apparent suicide". Imho, the WHAT in my above question is the reason they called it "apparent suicide".

It wasnt just seeing feet. And it wasnt because thats the kind of call these guys are used to.

Imho, There was something there that made them think that a suicide attempt was possible. What was that?

Ignoring this tiny "what" could possibly be big for the way we look at this as it could be evidence to the case, even if it was initially misinterpreted.

This post is NOT about whether he comitted suicide or not, its about WHAT could have possibly initially gave the officers reason to believe it was.

Thanks Mks for helping me put that better into words.

1:03 - possible suicide attempt
I Thought we have gone over this a hundred times already. There were no guns at the scene (we know this) so that is not why. We also know that it wasn't a suicide. If you think it matters so much then you have to put a few scenarios in your head and go with a theory because we just don't know, we were not there. Maybe one day the officers involved will do an interview and let us know but until then, a general consensus has been made by a few of us that the responding officers seen a body and that was how it looked as they were approaching the stairs. Once they reached the body, that changed their narrative.
1:04 - apparent suicide
This is not another officer (or even the same officer) saying apparent suicide. This is the actual dispatcher saying that she is paging Barron EMS for an apparent suicide, based on what the first responder told her.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think they need to look into anyone that has ever been to the Closs home as well. Periferally, like odd job doers, Jack of all trade types, who are on the fringe of society, and may have adiction problems, or trouble with the law. Could be someone the family tried to help, by giving them work. Ie remodel, repair,landscaping etc.
I have a strong sway toward this theory, Imo.
My mind keeps coming back to this.