AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #27

[Deleted member 102539]

N pe, th web ite is w rking ine for me.

 

[thecatmeows]

Not hearing from LE to community that others might be in danger also points to targeted imo...probably based on lack of any theft or even vandalism...home invaders do both as a rule. Also, Jayme being gone.

Everything points to targeted. I'd say financial-related, but I would think there'd be a ransom note of some kind by now, if it's financially motivated (say, James owed someone gambling debts).

My gut tells me that the 911 call got in the way of whatever their original plans were, they panicked, killed James and Denise, grabbed Jayme and got out ASAP.

 

[doublestop]

Where I live, if I transferred my child to another school, even within the district, they would no longer have bus service. I would have to provide transportation. How did Jayme change schools and keep bus service?

Wasn't Jayme's original school NOT the one where her home is, but rather the one where her aunt's home was before she moved? Then the aunt moved into the school district in which Jayme's home lies, so there was no reason for her to continue going to the other town for school--nor could she have, if a family member wasn't living in that town?

 

[Ragnarok]

I say again, that I don't think that any of the three of these victims provided, by their behavior or existence, the motive for this horrific crime. Certainly, the least of all, Jayme herself.

Agreed. Everything that I have read indicates a very vanilla family. They all seemed to be going about their lives; the parents working to maintain a comfortable standard of living, and Jamye going through life like a 13 YO would in this day and age.

I have two nieces that are 7 years older than Jamye. Wife and I were very involved in their lives because we would have gotten custody per will if the parents died. Also have a 12 YO Granddaughter that I transport to events when necessary.

Without evidence I see nothing that raises red flags for me reference Jamye's life and upbringing.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Everything points to targeted. I'd say financial-related, but I would think there'd be a ransom note of some kind by now, if it's financially motivated (say, James owed someone gambling debts).

My gut tells me that the 911 call got in the way of whatever their original plans were, they panicked, killed James and Denise, grabbed Jayme and got out ASAP.

I don’t see how 911 Call is made prior to first gun shots .. if call last 47 seconds and no gunshot on them ... would crunch timeframe way too much..

I don’t see gambling debt ... could be possible... I can’t understand why police don’t say Denise James both had no money problems though ..

Still think 2 shots to eliminate only two people that what stop perp from getting what he wanted ..in and out quicker then bank robbery. How or why jayme went so quickly with the piece of garbage is beyond me... 14 yr old girl weighing 100 pounds doesn’t have a lot options..

 

[rosesfromangels]

Agreed. The caretaker issue as well has been discussed backwards and forwards, and not going anywhere productive.

And so has every aspect of what we know of the case, yet no resolution to date. That’s why we are here; to keep pulling apart theories and tidbits until we have something worthy of a real tip. The process can be frustrating, but it’s like a group effort sculpture. A big blob of clay, then gets shaped into one thing, then another....and then all of a sudden, a masterpiece emerges.
The group effort on these threads is amazing, and the output has helped many cases.

So, back to the endless speculation on the “caregiver”. What would necessitate moving a 13 year old from her school, her friends, and her teachers? That’s a big, big deal.
I ask again, what happened at that school?

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Rubiconbob]

Not hearing from LE to community that others might be in danger also points to targeted imo...probably based on lack of any theft or even vandalism...home invaders do both as a rule. Also, Jayme being gone.

I think that too... I’m hoping this is all window dressing ... they know The Who , they know the why, they just need to get enough so perp never leaves jail...

 

[Scrapper18]

Wasn't Jayme's original school NOT the one where her home is, but rather the one where her aunt's home was before she moved? Then the aunt moved into the school district in which Jayme's home lies, so there was no reason for her to continue going to the other town for school--nor could she have, if a family member wasn't living in that town?

I have no clue. But, that would make 100% sense to me!

 

[Jazzy5980]

This is thread#27, so don't ask me where it's all been discussed... JC used to attend school in Cameron, which was out of district, because her caretaker, who is her aunt, lived there. When the caretaker moved to Barron, JC switched to her own normal district. "Caretaker" is a term used in WI school documents and means nothing more than babysitter, or after school care provider. They have open enrollment to allow for situations like this.

You took the words out of my mouth; thank you! This issue has been discussed ad nauseum.

 

[waterfalllady]

Yes, I thought of this as well, but my speculations are meaningless without knowing her schedule and whether she ever had alone time (x-country running, or whatever).

This does lead me though, to wonder if Jayme did ever have alone, unsupervised time. It also leads me to wonder why a twelve-thirteen year old needed a "caretaker" and various decisions were made based on where the caretaker lived.

Meaning, if I understand correctly, the parents worked different shifts. Doesn't this mean one would be home and available to Jayme if she needed them? (Albeit, they may have had to be woken up).

Why did a young teen need a "caretaker"? Usually a 12/13 year old is babysitting younger kids vs. needing a caretaker.

Anyone have any insights to this? It may be a an important point as it relates to this crime. Was there a pervious indident(s) that required Jayme to be carefully monitored and guarded?

Amateur opinion and speculation

Her parents sometimes worked late if I'm not mistaken. It's not common to leave young teenagers alone at night especially if they don't have a neighbor to check in. (I taught middle school.)

 

[Irmese]

Thanks for bringing it forward.
Please note this is NOT to scale and NOT a definitive floor plan.

It’s based on my studying family Facebook photos and floorplans / layouts / window placements of homes in Barron built in a similar time frame. Many are nearly identical to the Closs home (as pre fabricated houses) but there may be differences or remodels that could change things.

Thanks for posting the drawing. This is pretty much my idea of the floor plan, too, except I think the dining room is where the sliding glass door is and after seeing some more pics f the Closs house, there is what appears to be a heater vent near the center of the house, so I assume they have some type of heat in the living room. To me, this means the living room, dining room and kitchen are all one room, and with Jayme's room, makes up the right end of the house. I think the left end of the house has the master bedroom and a master bath and possibly a large closet or very small bedroom. I'm not sure where the stairs are, but your drawing makes sense considering the pic of the Closs house showing the china cabinet there. The placement of the vent makes me think the sofa might have its back to the dining area. I had always assumed the front door's knob was to the left, but it is clearly to the right and there was a storm door.

I thought I had saved the pic but I can't find it now. It was one that showed there was a diamond shaped window in the front door.

 

[waterfalllady]

Sorry guys the website is being glitchy and posted a reply as a regular comment.

 

[Lillymac]

Agreed. Everything that I have read indicates a very vanilla family. They all seemed to be going about their lives; the parents working to maintain a comfortable standard of living, and Jamye going through life like a 13 YO would in this day and age.

I have two nieces that are 7 years older than Jamye. Wife and I were very involved in their lives because we would have gotten custody per will if the parents died. Also have a 12 YO Granddaughter that I transport to events when necessary.

Without evidence I see nothing that raises red flags for me reference Jamye's life and upbringing.

Some things are confusing to me...where did the term "caretaker" first come up....what were this person's other duties as they related to Jayme? Was it just

And so has every aspect of what we know of the case, yet no resolution to date. That’s why we are here; to keep pulling apart theories and tidbits until we have something worthy of a real tip. The process can be frustrating, but it’s like a group effort sculpture. A big blob of clay, then gets shaped into one thing, then another....and then all of a sudden, a masterpiece emerges.
The group effort on these threads is amazing, and the output has helped many cases.

So, back to the endless speculation on the “caregiver”. What would necessitate moving a 13 year old from her school, her friends, and her teachers? That’s a big, big deal.
I ask again, what happened at that school?

Amateur opinion and speculation

Some things are confusing to me...where did the term "caretaker" first come up...why not just say aunt....what were this person's other duties as they related to Jayme? Was it just a term on papers.
I can only relate to our school district so it's confusing to me. And changing school districts is pretty major here. Actually involves out of district tuition and approval yearly by school.
Did two different school's busses come by their house? Lol, I'm lost.

 

[Lillymac]

Off topic!!!!
My posting abilities seem to be screwed up. Did not mean to double quote or post....sorry,!!

 

[Irmese]

Possibly to say she was not shot, to stress she was taken away alive. The also said she did not have a large social media/electronic footprint (IDR actual wording), but if Jayme knew who this was, she wasn't communicating with him online or by phone on a regular basis.

Replying to myself to add if, a very big if, Jayme was communicating with someone online, it was probably someone pretending to be a girl of 13 or a little older, as a friend.

 

[WiseOwl]

Agreed. The caretaker issue as well has been discussed backwards and forwards, and not going anywhere productive.

With respect - virtually everything else on this case been discussed countless times. Don't forget there are people commenting on this case for the first time who would have missed earlier threads, plus others who are new to WS. If people are discussing a subject you've read countless times before you don't have to comment on it - just post something new!

 

[Rubiconbob]

Replying to myself to add if, a very big if, Jayme was communicating with someone online, it was probably someone pretending to be a girl of 13 or a little older, as a friend.

Has LE stated on any missing laptops or iPads/tablets. A no of people/kids will have everything to do with certain games or networks on a device separate from there main phone... just curious if LE thinks there’s a laptop or iPad missing..?

 

[Irmese]

You make some interesting points Scrapper. However it was stated that Jayme switched schools because the family caretaker had moved to that area (where the new school was). If the family caretaker hadn't moved, then presumably Jayme wouldn't have moved schools either? Jayme followed the caretaker, rather than the other way round.

Then maybe the change in schools has something to do with this. I have no idea why that would be true, but it was a change in Jayme's routine. Maybe a neighbor or friend of the aunt's when she lived in the first school district had some type of contact with Jayme and was angry when the aunt moved and Jayme changed schools.

 

[Minordetails]

My gut tells me that the 911 call got in the way of whatever their original plans were, they panicked, killed James and Denise, grabbed Jayme and got out ASAP.

Quite possible

 

[kay74]

When is this Fitzgerald going to get the show on the road? It's almost Christmas and this killer is STILL outsmarting him and all of LE.