AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #28

[BrandiBelle]

The only info we have is that the phone for 911 was the mother’s phone

Thank you for clearing that up!

 

[Trino]

Apologies human i should have said James was shot as he answered the door not he shot at the door! Although it is an interesting new theory, did he, in fact, have a gun that night? I know LE have stated that James had 3 guns and all were accounted for but maybe there was a fourth one that for some reason they are withholding information about?

Why would we think there was a fourth one? I think the sheriff has been very honest and forthcoming. Had James had a gun I believe we would know.

 

[human]

Why would we think there was a fourth one? I think the sheriff has been very honest and forthcoming. Had James had a gun I believe we would know.

Really? How about the fact that there was no mention that they had Jayme’s phone? How about not addressing the gunshots the neighbors heard?

What about the mysterious cars that have been dropped. Do we know why?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Your numbers are right in line with what might be expected in metro area of your size, and your state also calculates and reports the statistics as I would expect.

But take what you know about your location and watch any video where Hwy 8 near Barron is visible in the background. If you care enough to know, I’m sure there’s a DOT traffic cam somewhere nearby that you can sit back and count cars.

But alas, I do not care enough. Whether there’s tons of traffic rolling by 24/7 or not isn’t even pertinent to the case. Sad how far these discussions devolve once a case has gone completely cold.

Thank you, Sharon, for switching your avatar from that nightmare-inducing clown!

 

[1987]

I am wondering if the lack of intruder dna, finger prints, etc is because it belongs to someone that would be expected to have innocently left it there at a prior time. I have some other thoughts about the lack of but they get complicated for me to keep my mind wrapped around long enough to get them typed out.

as for the firearm I think sheriff said they were looking for the firearm, that whoever done this would be the only one that knew. if it was a common one wouldn't there be a high chance that just a guess would have a decent chance at guessing it?

 

[WiseOwl]

Why would we think there was a fourth one? I think the sheriff has been very honest and forthcoming. Had James had a gun I believe we would know.

With respect, how would we know? At the very start of the investigation, the Sheriff said they believed Jayme was at home that night due to the 911 call and evidence at the house, but he's never said exactly what evidence they have has he? And what about the front door? Was it kicked in, riddled with bullets, did James answer it or was he shot through it? LE will know of course but they've never told us this information! I have every respect for the Sheriff during this difficult investigation but there's so much more they know than we do you can believe that!

 

[Ibiz]

I just watched an episode of FBI files where a man by the name of Joseph Duncan committed a crime that seems like it could be somewhat similar to this one.

 

[Minordetails]

I’m relatively new to following unsolved, missing persons cases. Where does the mystery of Jayme Closs rank in comparison with regards to being most baffling, bizarre, and mysterious? I would be interested in hearing of any current examples (last 5 years) of any missing teenagers that are more bizarre than this one?

 

[IceIce9]

I have seen one in particular that looks nothing like the pictures being used. I agree with you.

In the widely circulated photo she looks like a child, in the more recent photos she looks like a typical teenager.

There is one photo I have seen where her hair is fixed differently and she appears to be wearing makeup.

What reason would there be to use the “child” photo on the missing posters, Amber Alert, etc?

If that was the only photo available I could understand it, but I have seen some of the recent photos on the family Facebook sites.

You would think one of the family members would say to LE, “Here is a recent photo, use this one because this is what she looks like now.”

 

[WiseOwl]

I just watched an episode of FBI files where a man by the name of Joseph Duncan committed a crime that seems like it could be somewhat similar to this one.

Yes it is very similar. The other cases which have echoes of the Closs murders/abduction are the Short family murders (2002, still unsolved) and the Freeman/Bible murders/disappearance in 1999, which was only solved earlier this year.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

For me, it can be an explanation as to why she was not taken from the school bus stop where she would be waiting alone or when she would be getting off of the bus alone.

Since we cannot know what happened as there are those documented killers that watched and took children such as the Groene case, we do not know if the killer stopped his car many days and watched as Jayme got on or off the school bus. Drivers must wait until the flashing lights go off and the school bus stop arm is retracted. That would give a perp plenty of time to observe her as he was stopped behind the school bus.

Sunday night is a night when people are worn out from the weekend. They have done their shopping, cleaning, socializing, and whatever else working people do on weekends.

Children are not at sleepovers and other children are not visiting. Guests are not there usually on a Sunday night. People are preparing for the work, school week.

Hi there Human. Always nice to 'see' you.

Great post.

May I ask you a question since your post made me think of something?

I dont know if we ever got a definitive floorplan of their home or not but could Jaymes bedroom been on the front side of the home where it could be seen from the road?

The reason I ask is in some prior abduction cases predators have been known to cruise rural areas looking at random homes to see if there were signs a child lived there and if so they would determine which one was the child's bedroom.

They would cruise by the home during the day when the blinds may be open when the child may be in their bedroom or they look for girly frilly curtains or stickers only a child would put on their windows. Etc.

Just wondering if you or anyone knows for certain Jayme's bedroom location.

In fact I saw an ID show last week where a child had been taken and the predator knew the bedroom he went in was the child's due to stickers being on her bedroom window. After she was taken...raped and murdered everyone in the town who had young children made sure all of the childish little stickers..frilly curtains or a color and design that young boys and girls would use were removed from their children's windows from then on out.

TIA

Since Fitzgerald said the FBI profilers have made up 4 different profiles of who the suspect could be it is only logical imo that one profile includes a stranger sexual predator that randomly targeted their home because they knew a young girl lived there. Imo

Ocean

 

[Deleted member 158085]

In the widely circulated photo she looks like a child, in the more recent photos she looks like a typical teenager.

There is one photo I have seen where her hair is fixed differently and she appears to be wearing makeup.

What reason would there be to use the “child” photo on the missing posters, Amber Alert, etc?

If that was the only photo available I could understand it, but I have seen some of the recent photos on the family Facebook sites.

You would think one of the family members would say to LE, “Here is a recent photo, use this one because this is what she looks like now.”

Maybe they went with the one with no make up because she likely won’t be wearing make up in captivity. So perhaps the one pic is a more natural look.

 

[MingyMoo]

With this latest news of only 5 feet into house, how did they get Jayme?

Jayme must have run into the area where shootings occurred and saw her parents down. Perp then yelled at her to come with him?

Any ideas?

Yep- She ran she hid possibly outside via another exit we perhaps don't know about and the perpetrator, s/he they caught her. Maybe the garage under the house has access to/from the main house, We just don't know.

 

[Wrenny]

I don’t take the 4 minutes and 5 feet as exact. I believe it’s simply meant to say they weren’t there for long and that they didn’t go all through the house, so they left little forensic evidence.

I've been off this page a good while and only reading the last 100 or so comments to catch up, so please forgive if this has been said. If this is referring to the Daily Mail article, it's a misrepresentation. They grabbed quotes from places and strung them together to make implications. I don't have the source to cite but the 5 feet thing was going back to where the Sheriff explained why DNA is hard to come by... he said it as just an example... that if you're only 5 feet in the door or only somewhere for 4 minutes you'll leave a lot less DNA than if you're there a long time. Again I'm paraphrasing, sorry.

We KNOW that we should not take these values literally.

First, While there could be forensic evidence about 5 feet, it seems unlikely since it took the officers on site 3 minutes after they said they were going to clear the house before they reported the 2nd subject down. If they were both shot from the doorway they would have seen Denise virtually immediately.

But second there is no way they could say for sure about 4 minutes. Presumably from the noises on the 911 call they know whether the bad guy(s) were still there at the time the call was initiated. From the time of the initiation of the call until the first officers on the scene was 7 minutes 3 seconds. So there's no way they could know 4 minutes.

 

[Wrenny]

Both Denise and James died 'instantly' of their wounds, he said.

Then why did it take 8 1/2 minutes from when they advised "two subjects down" until they reported "two subjects down, unresponsive" ? They must have been attempting resuscitation on one or both.

 

[Wrenny]

By what Fitzgerald has said himself we do know both Denise and James were found in the same general area together. That is why he said he thinks the murderer kicked the phone away and it wound up landing closer to where Denise's dead body lay than closer to Jim's dead body.

Is there some citation for this, other than the Daily Mail?

 

[Lillymac]

I've been off this page a good while and only reading the last 100 or so comments to catch up, so please forgive if this has been said. If this is referring to the Daily Mail article, it's a misrepresentation. They grabbed quotes from places and strung them together to make implications. I don't have the source to cite but the 5 feet thing was going back to where the Sheriff explained why DNA is hard to come by... he said it as just an example... that if you're only 5 feet in the door or only somewhere for 4 minutes you'll leave a lot less DNA than if you're there a long time. Again I'm paraphrasing, sorry.

We KNOW that we should not take these values literally.

First, While there could be forensic evidence about 5 feet, it seems unlikely since it took the officers on site 3 minutes after they said they were going to clear the house before they reported the 2nd subject down. If they were both shot from the doorway they would have seen Denise virtually immediately.

But second there is no way they could say for sure about 4 minutes. Presumably from the noises on the 911 call they know whether the bad guy(s) were still there at the time the call was initiated. From the time of the initiation of the call until the first officers on the scene was 7 minutes 3 seconds. So there's no way they could know 4 minutes.

No sarcasm intended...I am confused and searching just like everyone...but what difference does it make how long they were in the house?? Obviously, long enough to fatally wound two people and take a child. And possibly left no DNA.!!

 

[Wrenny]

There have been reports in MSM that door was riddled with bullet holes.

The only mention of "riddled" was from the Daily Mail.

 

[Lillymac]

Then why did it take 8 1/2 minutes from when they advised "two subjects down" until they reported "two subjects down, unresponsive" ? They must have been attempting resuscitation on one or both.

I think that would be in the call log. jmo

 

[daisy6441]

I believe it was Denise's father who said he didn't feel like he could say goodbye because it was a closed casket. There was probably a good reason they had to have a closed casket. Probably no resuscitation attempted because it would have been pointless.