AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #29

[1987]

That statement confuses me. The only way I can see that being an issue is a false confession. Is that why? If so, Im curious why he thinks thats even a possibility here?

confuses me too.

 

[CuriousMaine]

9mm easiest to handle for the average person, 380 and 22, (got a 380 lcp as my boot gun) nah, ar too bulky for this, 12 gauge def possibility (one shot multiple projectiles), 38 not me but I don’t like any revolvers, personal preference. 45, gotta be able to handle the kick back. Had a .40 compact and sold it. Too big for my tiny hiney to conceal carry even compact and I didn’t want that kinda kick back in a bad situation. Jmo, depends on person and experience tho everyone is different.

We were thinking about what the type of firearm used in this crime might say about the perp. Just speculating on a profile picture. Of course we don't know and aren't likely to find out until/unless a trial happens.

9mm is common, ammo is affordable and plentiful, but a revolver vs a striker-fired vs a hammer-fired vs rifle, etc. might say something about the perp's age, build/size, finances, planning, experience and skill level, etc.

 

[KLM6]

All we got was an abacus. Lol

This made me laugh. I needed that.

 

[JenniD]

I know this isn't particularly helpful, but I thought I might be able to find some pictures. Here's one from their "careers" section on their website. | JENNIE-O® Turkey Diversity Our Workplace | JENNIE-O® TurkeyView attachment 160397

Another from google search, but in MN: This Holiday Season, Workers in Poultry Plants Need a Union - Talk Poverty View attachment 160399

I cannot speak specifically to a Turkey processing plant but am familiar with beef processing
Normal protective clothing would include disposable hair coverings, gloves, and white long coats. The gloves and coats were not disposable and were washed and handed out daily to the workers Some areas wore disposable shoe protectors and mesh gloves- depending on which area you worked in.
This has been a long time ago so would guess most items are now disposable
Not uncommon for some to sneak these items out in their lunch boxes for personal use
If perp/s used these items it could eliminate fingerprints, shoe prints, hair
Picture it similar to something worn by surgical staff

 

[Moonsie]

I’m really not seeing anything here that points to rage, but I guess if one or both parents was shot over and over, that would do it.

The parents were murdered to eliminate an obstacle. The objective was get it done, and get it done quickly.

The feelings I get more than anything are 1) ambush; and 2) calculation. Whoever planned this boiled everything down to the least common denominator. Thus the short time frame and limited crime scene.

moo.

 

[Moonracer]

You know, I was talking the other night with a friend who grew up in Waseca. I asked him if he knew these people involved. I knew people who knew this family and my friend grew up with them.
This is a story that just doesn’t make sense either. Difference is Jayme is nowhere to be found and why?

Man charged in Waseca double murder

Wow, amazing and horrifying. Senseless - no one could possibly have figured out "why" since it was just loony and senseless. Makes me feel less positive about the ultimate outcome this crime may have.

 

[IceIce9]

We weren't even allowed our own calculator.
Slide rule, log books and long drawn out calculations to come up with the answer.

At work some of our staff members (all in their 20s or early 30s) were trying to name as many forms of payment they could think of. Credit cards, debit cards, money orders, bitcoin, etc.

A few of us chimed in with our own contributions. We added travelers checks, wompum, and C.O.D.

They looked at us like we were from Mars. None of them had heard of any of them, lol.

 

[Moonsie]

I cannot speak specifically to a Turkey processing plant but am familiar with beef processing
Normal protective clothing would include disposable hair coverings, gloves, and white long coats. The gloves and coats were not disposable and were washed and handed out daily to the workers Some areas wore disposable shoe protectors and mesh gloves- depending on which area you worked in.
This has been a long time ago so would guess most items are now disposable
Not uncommon for some to sneak these items out in their lunch boxes for personal use
If perp/s used these items it could eliminate fingerprints, shoe prints, hair
Picture it similar to something worn by surgical staff

This is what I was getting at when I was seeing if the former employee could give us all some information about protective gear worn around the plant.

Say I wanted to get rid of some stuff (mainly gloves and shoe coverings) that had something on them. Say also that said items were Jennie-O issued, and that I had “taken” them (for future use) several weeks ago when no one would notice.

After committing the crime, what better way to get rid of them than to just mix them in with your stuff the next time you are at work and toss them into the biohazard/trash/whatever bin at the plant?

Not saying this is what happened but it sure makes you think.

moo.

 

[chili367]

He's been there a month now. Anyone know why he hasn't been extradited yet? I'm hinky on this. I noticed his address was on the Turtle Lake Casino direction of Hwy 8, as opposed to the Barron Police/Sheriff direction from the Closs house.

A little research shows this guy and family in CO since the summer. Doesn't exclude but seems unlikely. Can DM if you can't find the info.

 

[JenniD]

This is what I was getting at when I was seeing if the former employee could give us all some information about protective gear worn around the plant.

Say I wanted to get rid of some stuff (mainly gloves and shoe coverings) that had something on them. Say also that said items were Jennie-O issued, and that I had “taken” them (for future use) several weeks ago when no one would notice.

After committing the crime, what better way to get rid of them than to just mix them in with your stuff the next time you are at work and toss them into the biohazard/trash/whatever bin at the plant?

Not saying this is what happened but it sure makes you think.

moo.

Absolutely. You could sneak them back in just as easily as sneaking them out. Or easier yet Burn the in the fireplace or wood stove

 

[CuriousMaine]

Anyone ever think about a break action shotgun, double barrel? Won’t leave casings, shells, rounds...whatever we are calling them, until breached and manually disengaged?

I guess we can't rule it out. Wouldn't be my choice, thinking as a perp.

 

[JenniD]

At work some of our staff members (all in their 20s or early 30s) were trying to name as many forms of payment they could think of. Credit cards, debit cards, money orders, bitcoin, etc.

A few of us chimed in with our own contributions. We added travelers checks, wompum, and C.O.D.

They looked at us like we were from Mars. None of them had heard of any of them, lol.

And don't forget CASH

 

[DetJoseyWales]

Do you know the address or what street the police department is on? I was trying to find it on a map.

1456 E La Salle Ave, Barron, Wis.

 

[Evinrude]

Wow, amazing and horrifying. Senseless - no one could possibly have figured out "why" since it was just loony and senseless. Makes me feel less positive about the ultimate outcome this crime may have.

I agree. We all put so much thought into this ( Closs) , which is good.
But going back to this other crime I referenced, what if the perp left the area and never got caught?
What if the Closs case was just some lunatic on something more than fresh air?
I hope what I mentioned makes sense. There would be no rhyme or reason.

and......think how many combined hours all of us sleuthers have into brainstorming this mystery, I promise you, if the perp did have this planned out, he/they wouldn’t have that much time to plan it.

At any rate, god bless the family.

I take my daughter 15 to my sisters cabin near Barron quite a bit in the summer at a resort. Last summer she wanted to go hang out at the resort restaraunt with my sis. I was tired and wanted to rest in our cabin. There were many early 20’s guys at the resort commons that night. I told my daughter she was staying with me inside that night and she could listen to me snore.
I explained to her on our way home that weekend that I didn’t feel right, kind of a vibe I guess.
Then this happens.

 

[girlhasnoname]

And don't forget CASH

The most elusive of all lol

 

[Wrenny]

Do you know the address or what street the police department is on? I was trying to find it on a map.

Sheriff's office was handling it. That's separate from the police department. Sheriff is county, police is town/city.
Barron County Justice Center
1420 State Hwy 25 North
Room 1200
Barron, WI 54812-3007

 

[girlhasnoname]

Agreed... when you lay everything out perp had to know a lot about house.

Cops 2.3 miles away
3 people inside with 3 cell phones
3 guns and a dog.

That’s crazy... your 6 miles out of town I would get ..
had to be more than 1 perp..too many variables ... and they still almost got caught..2/3 minutes ahead of police not a big cushion. I think they agreed on 2 dead within a minute. Girl quickly out of house..

Perps have to messed something up...or will mess something up..

They already messed up imo.....the 911 call got off.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I know this isn't particularly helpful, but I thought I might be able to find some pictures. Here's one from their "careers" section on their website. | JENNIE-O® Turkey Diversity Our Workplace | JENNIE-O® TurkeyView attachment 160397

Another from google search, but in MN: This Holiday Season, Workers in Poultry Plants Need a Union - Talk Poverty View attachment 160399

Now that is what I'd call Super Sleuthing CM

 

[Wrenny]

For example: *DIVERSION/DOOR KICKED IN* James goes to front door to investigate, totally unarmed, looks outside, sees nothing, perp steps in through sliding door and shoots James from behind.

Would that make it unapt to see his feet in the doorway? Do we know that LE saw his feet?

 

[Lillymac]

Exactly! I’m pretty dang skilled but in times of deserperation, I’m don’t if I could hit the broad side of a barn in a bad moment. Been in that situation, but didn’t have to shoot. I will admit, even seasoned, I was scared to death. That’s when a shotgun comes into play, it is the best for home defense tho!

When I moved to the country I bought two guns. A 38 and a 410 shotgun. The men at the gun shop told me to use the 38 to get to the shotgun. My son retired LE told me I'd never hit anything with a pistol...use the shotgun. Purchased to protect myself from snakes. Point is, with a shotgun you just point and shoot...even from the hip. Close target would create a pretty bad crime scene. jmo