AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #30

[ArizonaNative]

It just seems like they have a POI. I’ve thought about Denise possibly being the target (I would sure like to know the reason Mark Furman thinks so) but then you take the teenage daughter because whatever this hatred is toward Denise is not her kid’s fault but then what do you do with her after that?

 

[ilovechili]

Thanks for this post. You have hit a lot of things straight on, especially the community, birthday party, and James info silence. Actually, IMO there's also quite a bit of info silence as to Jayme as a personality.

It's almost surreal that community members suddenly closeted themselves - reminds me of a science fiction novel. I don't think this helps the investigation because it sure seems the more information that gets out, the easier to solve the case, especially if a non-resident was the culprit.

In a small area where it is all small towns, I would guess people do not want to be seen gossiping when they really do not know anything nor accused of affecting the case. I also wonder if since it is something so unusual in the area, is it denial and telling oneself it was targeted and could never happen to us/fear? One would think with something this unusual it would be the opposite, it would be a major focus and talk. I also would think not a one would want to be known to be talking with the media. Look at the opinion of some regarding the neighbors when they did and it is a small area.

I hope some day we understand the whys. I hope and pray even more that she is alive. I can only figure they are building a case. If not, I can think of no reason not to share more, as you say, or at least to clear up the confusing things that almost seem to contradict each other.

 

[kay74]

This case is getting ridiculous to say the least.<modsnipped bashing law enforcement> IMO it's not someone in their "community", it's someone at that plant.

 

[kay74]

It just seems like they have a POI. I’ve thought about Denise possibly being the target (I would sure like to know the reason Mark Furman thinks so) but then you take the teenage daughter because whatever this hatred is toward Denise is not her kid’s fault but then what do you do with her after that?

Well if that's the case, no one in her community has said so. If either Denise or James had a discrepancy with someone, they never told anybody. I'm thinking it's him. Men don't usually talk about things.

 

[MesquiteO21]

This has been one of the most elusive cases as far as lack of information released by LE period in any I've followed on WS. I first thought it was def a targeted attack by random perv strictly for Jayme, now I'm firmly planted in the park of targeted by someone known to the Closs family somehow saving Jayme from a perceived plight.

I don't think the perp(s) were military precise, smart, planned to the 9's and super stealthy.... I think they were familiarly lucky. They knew the family, schedules and maybe even the general layout of the home. They wanted Jayme and Mom & Dad were in the way. JMHO

ETA: Clarification

BBM. interesting...was there anything in particular that made you change your mind to believe this?

 

[ilovechili]

I mentioned many odd things above and as we know there are many more. Another one is the girls driving by. I remember for some reason in the beginning this was thought to be a girl and a boy not two girls. Now it is said it is two girls. I just do not get that. Where were they coming from at that age at 1 or 2 in the morning? This, to me, might be the oddest thing in some ways. And why keep driving by? Were they looking for or knew the perps? Were they looking for Jayme to pick her up, did she run for the road? It may be nothing and again, not accusing them, I just find it odd. Panty thiefs, young teens driving by the scene to the point they are told to leave, the perp(s) apparently never passing any LE and lucking out... This is one sad and tragic case no doubt but it is also one very odd case. jmo.

 

[andreww]

BBM. interesting...was there anything in particular that made you change your mind to believe this?

That has been my firmest theory since the beginning. The removal of the mattress, given the fact that the assailant only stepped five feet in to the house leads me to believe that LE is looking as to who might have been in Jayme's bed. Possibly a love interest, possibly the assailant, or possibly one of the parents. I will say that the longer this goes on, the more I am starting to let go of that theory though. I just feel that if there was a connection, LE would have found it by now.

 

[ilovechili]

That has been my firmest theory since the beginning. The removal of the mattress, given the fact that the assailant only stepped five feet in to the house leads me to believe that LE is looking as to who might have been in Jayme's bed. Possibly a love interest, possibly the assailant, or possibly one of the parents. I will say that the longer this goes on, the more I am starting to let go of that theory though. I just feel that if there was a connection, LE would have found it by now.

I have wondered the same. A mattress and if I remember correctly a nightstand. Yet then we are told or it is implied that the perp did not come into the house past a few feet. Maybe it was just suggested taking more for any possible scenario is better than missing something so they took the mattress?

I also find it a bit contradictory when in the beginning the statement was made the sheriff said it was about the most violent or horrific (or something like that) crime scene he had ever seen and then later we hear it sounds pristine and there is no evidence, no DNA, nothing disturbed and they only entered a few feet and were there a short time, or that is what is suggested anyhow. The statements to me contradict. The only thing i can think of that would make both statements possibly true is if the wounds and injuries from the entry area of the house are really bad, with multiple shots and wounds? And maybe the parents struggling or trying to move and Jayme too. That would leave no forensics to speak of relating to the perp but could leave a violent scene with nothing disturbed. Otherwise, it makes no sense to me, the contradictory statements...

 

[girlhasnoname]

BBM. interesting...was there anything in particular that made you change your mind to believe this?

Actually, it's a combination of things.....from how the crime was committed to how it's been investigated and publicized and also learning information established outside of the TOS rules for discussion here.

Let me clarify that I absolutely believe LE is doing everything in their power to resolve this 110% with the goal of bringing Jayme home safely.

I hope that Jayme is found soon and can be reunited with her family. I cannot imagine the emotional toll the families of Denise and James have been through.

 

[Mistermagoo]

Actually, it's a combination of things.....from how the crime was committed to how it's been investigated and publicized and also learning information established outside of the TOS rules for discussion here.

Let me clarify that I absolutely believe LE is doing everything in their power to resolve this 110% with the goal of bringing Jayme home safely.

I hope that Jayme is found soon and can be reunited with her family. I cannot imagine the emotional toll the families of Denise and James have been through.

++++++

 

[margarita25]

Jayme Closs vanished after her parents were murdered in October. Has the case gone cold?

““The case remains the No. 1 priority of the sheriff’s department and we still have the FBI and DCI (Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation) on site working on this case with us,” Fitzgerald stated in a mid-December post on the sheriff department’s Facebook page.

“There is nothing new to report but we continue to follow up on leads and we are trying to build a longer timeline of (the victims’) lives through digital and social records in hopes of leading us to a clue.”“

 

[ArizonaNative]

Well if that's the case, no one in her community has said so. If either Denise or James had a discrepancy with someone, they never told anybody. I'm thinking it's him. Men don't usually talk about things.

Very true. Her brother did say though that they have many gut feelings and was it him that made a call to 911 that morning? Perhaps he had info for LE he felt was important to add to the investigation. Maybe she did talk with family members about something. They’re just not sharing that with the public.

 

[Queencitylaydee]

I noticed in the probate filing for J&D that they each have someone different over their estate..just a thought that maybe this was all about money

 

[stephlovescheese]

I mentioned many odd things above and as we know there are many more. Another one is the girls driving by. I remember for some reason in the beginning this was thought to be a girl and a boy not two girls. Now it is said it is two girls. I just do not get that. Where were they coming from at that age at 1 or 2 in the morning? This, to me, might be the oddest thing in some ways. And why keep driving by? Were they looking for or knew the perps? Were they looking for Jayme to pick her up, did she run for the road? It may be nothing and again, not accusing them, I just find it odd. Panty thiefs, young teens driving by the scene to the point they are told to leave, the perp(s) apparently never passing any LE and lucking out... This is one sad and tragic case no doubt but it is also one very odd case. jmo.

I agree- the girls driving by has never sat right with me. I know it’s been discussed at length, as have so many other points, but it’s really odd considering time/day and circumstances.

 

[girlhasnoname]

(Snipped BBM>
I also find it a bit contradictory when in the beginning the statement was made the sheriff said it was about the most violent or horrific (or something like that) crime scene he had ever seen and then later we hear it sounds pristine and there is no evidence, no DNA, nothing disturbed and they only entered a few feet and were there a short time, or that is what is suggested anyhow. The statements to me contradict. The only thing i can think of that would make both statements possibly true is if the wounds and injuries from the entry area of the house are really bad, with multiple shots and wounds? And maybe the parents struggling or trying to move and Jayme too. That would leave no forensics to speak of relating to the perp but could leave a violent scene with nothing disturbed. Otherwise, it makes no sense to me, the contradictory statements...

There have been several contradictory statements that you've recapped as well, the shots heard by neighbors, the cars of interest, the crime scene itself, the timeline etc.

As far as James and Denise it said they died instantly from their wounds, so I don't find that contradictory. It was probably a very gruesome scene but not necessarily a disturbed scene IMO.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Nearly every known fact and then some have been looked at in a gazillion different ways, so I started looking around beyond the known parameters of this crime. I hope what I am going to say passes muster of the admins as I know the rules of TOS and do not mean to exceed them. I have looked around at surrounding towns/counties etc. and have found several folks in the age range of 17 to 28 who have the background of escalating petty crimes, have connections to red cars, and this has given me great satisfaction that LE has someone on their radar and they are putting a case together. The recent discussion on where and why the searches were made and the looking west and north supported my thoughts so I guess greater patience on my part is the missing ingredient. Pray for Jayme.

I hope your right... know I’ve said this before but cops are 8 months removed from failing in child rape case involving 35 yr old... I think they were stunned by that...
Plus.. small county/town ... limited budget... almost easier to get enough evidence to pursue life in prison then haggle to 2nd degree murder...again I don’t know evidence or what happened.. if it was argument before murders....life in prison is tough in those cases..

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree- the girls driving by has never sat right with me. I know it’s been discussed at length, as have so many other points, but it’s really odd considering time/day and circumstances.

ITA my first 2 biggest questions many threads ago were the 2 girls driving by and the 911 call.

 

[Rubiconbob]

It just seems like they have a POI. I’ve thought about Denise possibly being the target (I would sure like to know the reason Mark Furman thinks so) but then you take the teenage daughter because whatever this hatred is toward Denise is not her kid’s fault but then what do you do with her after that?

I don’t know what mark furman said think Denise last shot. There’s your target...
30/60 FBI Agents with all the evidence text and local chatter filtered... left 4 scenarios..
I still think Jayme or worst robbery ever... with no intent to shoot anyone.. but went bad quickly...I don’t know I just don’t see shooting through door as a good start point on anything...

 

[lonetraveler]

With nothing, it keeps it going. Otherwise it would be relegated to the forgotten

I agree, unfortunately I can see that this case going to the forgotten file a likely possibility. Hopefully, there is more evidence and investigation going on than it appears.

 

[ilovechili]

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I noticed in the probate filing for J&D that they each have someone different over their estate..just a thought that maybe this was all about money

They have the same attorney and the same Guardian ad Litem and the cases were filed on the same date. To me it looks like the families are together on this. It is necessary the mortgage, etc. be paid and someone has to have the power to do so. I am also guessing James and Denise did not have a will as I do not see a will entered (is that how it works?). Even though they are married, it is two people and it would be the Estate of Jim and the Estate of Denise for probate and one family member in each respective family filed the case or more likely it was agreed by each family who should be the one to file it. If there was a will, they were named and it was their wishes. No expert but that is the way I read it. If there were issues they would not be using the same attorney in both cases etc. nor have filed on the same date. It looks like the families for this are working together to make sure the bills are paid. Jayme would be the heir without a will, unless someone else was named on life insurance or 401K, etc. The estate needs to be protected for her, the bills paid, the home not lost, etc. jmo.