AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #30

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  • #81
I believe that there were two high powered shotgun blasts, which would make a mess of the victims. Id assume there was massive blood loss from both, and when the sheriff was commenting about the home being undisturbed, he was talking about the scene beyond the obvious carnage. The house wasn't ransacked, wallet lying on the counter, I believe he's just conveying the fact that the perp simply didn't seem interested in the contents of the home.

Yes in that way the two statements would both be possibly true and not contradict, I agree.
 
  • #82
If there is a POI and the chance of a live hostage, that information would be made public. Guarantee it.
There is a lot of info that you would think would be made public in this case that they are not. The whole case has secrecy to it. Don't you find it odd that they are not even coordinating search parties?
 
  • #83
I hope your right... know I’ve said this before but cops are 8 months removed from failing in child rape case involving 35 yr old... I think they were stunned by that...
Plus.. small county/town ... limited budget... almost easier to get enough evidence to pursue life in prison then haggle to 2nd degree murder...again I don’t know evidence or what happened.. if it was argument before murders....life in prison is tough in those cases..

Rubiconbob, do you mean in Barron County with regard to the rape case? I never heard about that that I recall.
 
  • #84
I could agree if it happened later on, these girls drove by on a Sunday night at 2 am within an hour of the crime while LE was still on scene. Plus they lived in another town over approx. 20 minutes away. Lots of coincidences there to me. JMO
I have been bothered by these 2 girls driving by at that hour as well. Unless they had a good reason to be at that specific location at that time of night I think it is a little too coincidental. If it were at 9-10 o'clock I wouldn't think much of it. Could they have worked a night shift somewhere and just happened by there on way home- saw commotion and turned around? I thought I read somewhere that they were related to Closses but not sure about that. Why were they there?
 
  • #85
There is a lot of info that you would think would be made public in this case that they are not. The whole case has secrecy to it. Don't you find it odd that they are not even coordinating search parties?
Holding out hope for Jayme
Jaycee Dugard

Elizabeth Smart

Amanda Berry, Michelle Knight, Gina DeJesus

Elisabeth Fritzl

Natasha Kampucsh

Shawn Hornbeck, Ben Ownby

Steven Stayner, Tim White

Tanya Kach

Jackie Adkins and the other 5 Heidkin kept chained in his basement.
A few cases where at least 1 child kidnapped and rest of family killed
-Shasta Groene

-Hannah Anderson

-Sarah Maynard
 
  • #86
If there is a POI and the chance of a live hostage, that information would be made public. Guarantee it.
There have been lots of cases involving missing persons that had POI from beginning that we’re not named. Ie. the first case I followed and how I found WS, Tina Careccia, went missing, POI from beginning but no one knew until they arrested killer. Perhaps the difference is when POI is missing as well, ie. the pervert teacher that ran off with student.
 
  • #87
I have been bothered by these 2 girls driving by at that hour as well. Unless they had a good reason to be at that specific location at that time of night I think it is a little too coincidental. If it were at 9-10 o'clock I wouldn't think much of it. Could they have worked a night shift somewhere and just happened by there on way home- saw commotion and turned around? I thought I read somewhere that they were related to Closses but not sure about that. Why were they there?

I agree it is odd. It would be nice if they at least cleared up what they knew not to be a possibility. They were quick to "clear" the panty thief but no one else. Logically that says to me all others are still possibilities. Or it simply says nothing will be shared and does not have to be. I think it is very odd they were there and continually drove by to the point LE had to do something about it. Not accusing them, I just find it unusual, the time of night, the odds of happening on it, etc. Barron is not exactly alive and hopping at 1 a.m. on a Sunday night for someone not of legal drinking age nor anywhere near home...
 
  • #88
It would be interesting to know stats on naming POI versus not naming in cases involving missing persons.
 
  • #89
Rubiconbob, do you mean in Barron County with regard to the rape case? I never heard about that that I recall.

Ok. Found more info ... couldn’t get details before without buying subscription..finally found...

Here ya go... doesn’t leave u with ton of confidence... on team.. but they do have convictions on meth/child abuse/murder..
This looks like bad case for them..or odd case...

Man found not guilty of rape in jury trial
 
  • #90
There have been several contradictory statements that you've recapped as well, the shots heard by neighbors, the cars of interest, the crime scene itself, the timeline etc.

As far as James and Denise it said they died instantly from their wounds, so I don't find that contradictory. It was probably a very gruesome scene but not necessarily a disturbed scene IMO.

Well put and very true.
 
  • #91
I have never followed other cases on here but I keep seeing remarks on how odd this one is. I agree. One could not plan nor make such things up.

One thing that may mean nothing but still bothers me is Jayme's alert states she has green eyes. Her aunt in one interview, I cannot remember which one, stated that they are amber and sometimes look blue. Her pictures as well are all over the place, in the originals she looks like a young, maybe a bit awkyard yet of a teen; and now we have seen several where she looks like a poised young lady older than the original pictures. Her eye color in the pictures as well sometimes looks blue, and sometimes does not, etc. I am not saying this means anything important, it is just odd that in one release they are green and yet a family member said otherwise.

A few weeks ago I had occasion to drive Highway 8 through Barron. I paid very close attention. I found it extremely strange there is not one single billboard or sign of any kind from the MN Taylor Falls border through Barron. Barron has literally dozens of Chris Kroeze signs (contestant on The Voice) understandably, he did great(!), but basically none of Jayme. One City office had something about her on their sign and one house had a tree and a "hope" sign. Throughout the entire stretch of Highway 8 and the main drag. Yet Kroeze signs were everywhere as were Barron Bear signs even more present than anything about Jayme. The two things I saw about Jayme were negligible for the length of Barron and not a picture nor a detail. I stopped at one gas station, used the restroom and shopped for a snack and again noticed not one thing about her. I cannot say there may not have been something somewhere, what I am saying is I shopped the gas station and used the restroom as 90 percent of people would, without LOOKING for anything about her, and never noticed a thing. Could there be something somewhere? Sure, but nothing that would stand out to someone entering the station or shopping in it. Not to me anyhow.

There are billboards in other states but not a one from the MN border nor in her own area towns (not the ones I was in anyhow). Again, I am talking the main streets which I would think is where you would want such signs. Cameron was the same. I was not on Highway 53 so I cannot comment on that but I would doubt it as if Highway 8 has nothing why would 53? They searched along 8.

Nothing by Jennie-O either despite having a several block presence and a fence where something could be hung.

I allow for people could be scared and not want to call attention to themselves but I do NOT understand why there wouldn't be a ton of businesses doing so and at least a billboard. I do not know what is the norm in a missing case but I find it somewhat odd.

Then for odd things we have a panty thief who just happens to break in and the place happens to be under camera. What are the odds? Maybe he has no connection but we do know he skulks around at that time of night and stalks. Based on his arrests.

We have cars that mattered that now seem not to and yet they are still on posters as if they matter, etc. It has never been said definitively they do not matter, just more of a "not the focus" sort of right now.

A remark that stands out to me to this day is the sheriff saying or seeming to be surprised they did not find a weapon/gun. Why would they expect to??

I know people in the area and they are not talking about this case. I was told it is not in the papers and it is quiet and off of many people's radar as there is nothing about it in the local papers, etc. It was remarked to me the tree lighting was recently in the paper but other than that, there has been nothing. I can't say people do not talk privately about it in their homes or that some do elsewhere s well but I found no evidence of it, just the opposite when I asked a few close to me.

I also for the first time came by the house and tried to watch for it to see if I felt it would be easily picked or targeted. I can only say it is easily visible from the road now but it wouldn't have been in October and one is past it before you register you see it. I mean maybe at 1 a.m. you could be driving slowly to watch for it but in normal traffic that is not an option imo.

I was also struck by the fact that, even though we know it is just about a mile, I felt in no time flat I was in the Barron City Limits. It seems like a poor choice of a home to target randomly with no knowledge unless you are just stupid or methed up or something. When I returned by the same route I felt the same although the house seemed a bit further out but still, I just do not see it being randomly selected IF you knew two police agencies were less than four miles away.

I could and many others could as well add many more odd things that just do not make sense nor add up. I am in no way questioning LE or the victims, etc., I just cannot figure out the reasons. I imagine some of these things are tactics or they have a good idea of who did it. I sure hope so. The alternatives one can think of are not good ones.

I also find the silence about the family's activities even the weekend prior to possibly be significant. And it has been especially silent with regard to Jim.

Another oddity in this case is the neighbor's account. Either they are wrong or LE is. I also wonder where they were until 11:30 p.m. Again, this is not directed at them I am just thinking like a middle aged person. It is a Sunday night almost to Monday. The casino and perhaps a few bars would be open. While there may be some middle aged die hard bar flies, I think the majority have turned to being more daytime, early afternoon or early evening types. Perhaps they were at a family member's home for a party? I thought of that but others would most likely have jobs or children with school to attend the next day and such things would not go late on a Sunday. Now the casino would be a different story. One gets into a casino and forgets the time or keeps gambling. And if one did not have to work it would not be a big deal.

I have wondered if the neighbors won a big pot or even upset someone and they were followed at a distance. They see them signal and turn into a driveway and the ones following get the wrong driveway, the Closses.

I have no way of knowing this is even likely, just a thought. The neighbors could have been anywhere even coming from Wal-Mart in Rice Lake. It just seems unlikely and seems a late hour for a Sunday night.

My very first instinct when this case was in the news was meth heads and a possibly wrong residence. And then there was an arrest in the neighborhood and I still think it is possible.

However, like everyone, I entertain them all. Parents the target, Jayme the target, random, targeted, etc.

For some reason and I am unsure why, I feel the parents were the target (or one of them).

Just rambling and thought maybe some of it would give some food for thought. I have not been on here in awhile but have now caught up and read all posts.
Thanks for your thoughts based on your observations while traveling route 8.

For me, the only idea I can accept, based on what little we know, is that Jayme was the target. The parents knew the perp or would have suspected the individual if Jayme disappeared.

The Closs home very near LE and on that highway, along with just Jayme taken, just says targeted to me. A casual look at maps indicate to me that there are more favorable locations in remoter areas, for a home invasion for what ever reason.
 
  • #92
Ok. Found more info ... couldn’t get details before without buying subscription..finally found...

Here ya go... doesn’t leave u with ton of confidence... on team.. but they do have convictions on meth/child abuse/murder..
This looks like bad case for them..or odd case...

Man found not guilty of rape in jury trial

I hope you did not pay for that to provide it for me.

Wow, I do not know what to say. This article as well leaves questions and i feel there are contradictions. I do know the DA left office and is in a different county now as people have remarked on that in this case. Thank goodness the man is being prosecuted on other things. It is odd to me a jury member would say they did not like the investigation but then says they believed the victim when she testified? If one believes the victim, I would think you would convict... ? But to be fair, we do not know what their guidelines and instructions were. I never read this before nor heard about it, I think I have seen you refer to a rape case that was lost but never realized it was the same county, etc.

Thank you for providing it, I am not sure what to make of it other than clearly this case was not proven to the satisfaction of the jury or at least something went wrong. What bothers me is the article makes it sound as though the jury decided for the defendant because they did not like the investigation by LE NOT because they did not believe the victim. I just do not see a jury punishing a victim based on that unless they had no choice by the instructions.

Interesting. And sad.
 
  • #93
I hope you did not pay for that to provide it for me.

Wow, I do not know what to say. This article as well leaves questions and i feel there are contradictions. I do know the DA left office and is in a different county now as people have remarked on that in this case. Thank goodness the man is being prosecuted on other things. It is odd to me a jury member would say they did not like the investigation but then says they believed the victim when she testified? If one believes the victim, I would think you would convict... ? But to be fair, we do not know what their guidelines and instructions were. I never read this before nor heard about it, I think I have seen you refer to a rape case that was lost but never realized it was the same county, etc.

Thank you for providing it, I am not sure what to make of it other than clearly this case was not proven to the satisfaction of the jury or at least something went wrong. What bothers me is the article makes it sound as though the jury decided for the defendant because they did not like the investigation by LE NOT because they did not believe the victim. I just do not see a jury punishing a victim based on that unless they had no choice by the instructions.

Interesting. And sad.


It is very sad. I found basics month ago.. today finally found full details without paying... not a good read..
 
  • #94
It’s hard to know what “strange behavior” to report when strange seems to be normal.
 
  • #95
It is very sad. I found basics month ago.. today finally found full details without paying... not a good read..

Thank you for providing it. It is not a good read. When there are questions or issues between agencies, it leaves citizens without trust. I had heard of issues prior between the agencies and there was some gossip about it back when but I can't tell you what is true as it was gossip. I feel for any child who comes forward and tells the truth and the perpetrator is not convicted. What does that say to children?? It makes me mad. While he was not convicted and I believe in innocent until proven guilty, this man molested his own son and is charged with some other things so I think the probability lies with his guilt. Again, thank you.
 
  • #96
Thanks for your thoughts based on your observations while traveling route 8.

For me, the only idea I can accept, based on what little we know, is that Jayme was the target. The parents knew the perp or would have suspected the individual if Jayme disappeared.

The Closs home very near LE and on that highway, along with just Jayme taken, just says targeted to me. A casual look at maps indicate to me that there are more favorable locations in remoter areas, for a home invasion for what ever reason.

I agree I lean more to targeted lately with the more (or less) we have found out over months. I still think it possibly could have been a wrong target. And I see where everything we have looks most likely they wanted Jayme alive. However, something just makes me think it is the parents or at least partly the parents (or one). Why not try to sneak in and take her as happened in many other cases? Why blast in and possibly call attention to yourself? If the neighbors did hear shots, why? There are so many options to being that loud or noticeable. There is a back door or deck door rather than a front door. I just think it was someone that came back mad (maybe was already there) or was irate from earlier at maybe Jim? Or both parents? The two things could go together I guess. I can believe either but I feel it is directed at the parents or the family in general. On another day, however, I change my opinion and try on another "hat". I do agree the most likely is targeted though. That we agree on. It just not a place to choose randomly unless it was a wrong house or someone they had to silence/wrong house, etc.
 
  • #97
IMO..nothing is normal about this case..every angle has to be looked at. Not an expert..just noticed the difference in names of executors..definitely great if both sides are working together
We're the names of the executors released publically? If so where, can you point me to it? tia
 
  • #98
Who would be on the same schedule as a 13 yo teen girl? If she was hospitalized the week prior to going missing and then was out of school for teacher in service, at least 1 parent would need to change their schedule to be with her...somebody had too much time on their hands. Sidenote::: I was trying to figure out what type of student Jayme is..could not find any articles about honor roll . Sigh. Praying and hoping for Jayme daily.
 
  • #99
There have been lots of cases involving missing persons that had POI from beginning that we’re not named. Ie. the first case I followed and how I found WS, Tina Careccia, went missing, POI from beginning but no one knew until they arrested killer. Perhaps the difference is when POI is missing as well, ie. the pervert teacher that ran off with student.

Yes, that is the difference. They also announced the POI in Hannah Anderson’s case and Brittany Mae Smith, whose relatives were murdered, and both teens were found safe. I do not believe they would keep it back when there is a chance the missing person is alive.
 
  • #100
““The case remains the No. 1 priority of the sheriff’s department and we still have the FBI and DCI (Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation) on site working on this case with us,” Fitzgerald stated in a mid-December post on the sheriff department’s Facebook page.

“There is nothing new to report but we continue to follow up on leads and we are trying to build a longer timeline of (the victims’) lives through digital and social records in hopes of leading us to a clue.”“
Well guess what! This person is outsmarting all of them.
 
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