AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #2

[jkloc420]

They should be able to figure out who's cell phone the 911 call came from and where

 

[Oller]

Is there any major stores around such as Walmart or Target. Maybe law enforcement can check surveillance and see if anyone recently purchased a large amount of camping gear. Just a thought.

Closest Walmart is 15 minutes away in Rice Lake. Rice Lake is a “major” hub for retail in that area.

 

[4SAM]

The cell phone where the call came from may have still been in the deceased hand when LE got there too. Unless it was snatched and tossed.

 

[DAMages]

3. The parents worked at the Jenny-O plant and the dad had some kind of management role. Is that right? If so, perhaps there are people there who should not be working there (undocumented) and he threatened to blow the whistle. Or they THOUGHT he would. This is not victim blaming, just another scenario.

I find this particular scenario hard to believe. I could imagine some other kind of blackmail/whistleblowing scenario, but this is such a spectacular, attention-drawing crime (especially with the kidnapping) that I can't imagine it would be done by someone who is simply an undocumented worker trying to fly under the radar. That makes no sense to me.

 

[kkdj]

They should be able to figure out who's cell phone the 911 call came from and where

Iirc they already know it came from the house. We just haven't been told who placed the call from it. They probably do know who it belongs to and I would imagine it was a cell phone on their plan of 3 #'s.

 

[Alethea]

I think it's a very big jump for any criminal to go from burglary to double murder and kidnapping. Many people who are just fine with robbery or even harming an adult would not hurt a child. There's a reason why child predators are often killed or targeted in prison and it's because even other serious criminals believe that harming a child is wrong.

If you actually look at previous cases where a family is murdered and a young daughter is taken, it is often the work of a child sexual predator.

If the motive was robbery, or to "get back" at the parents for something, why would the perpetrator kidnap Jayme? If that was the point, why not murder all three people in their home? The parents are dead, so "taking" Jayme inflicts no further damage on them. Why would you want to be responsible for a living 13 year old who is just a walking evidence shedding machine if your goal has been accomplished by breaking into a home and killing the residents?

It doesn't make sense. It gives LE the greatest impetus possible to track you down on the hope that the child is still alive. It makes your escape so much more complicated and your continued running much more perilous than if you were alone and could slip away.

The only thing that makes sense is that Jayme was the purpose of this. I know people have asked why didn't the perpetrator snatch her off the street, but how do we know she was often alone outside or anywhere? If her parents were "reclusive" as early reports from the neighbors state, Jayme may have been too - keeping to herself or her very populated extracurricular activities that all seemed to be team sports (dance, cross country). Perhaps after watching her, the perpetrator knew the best chance he knew to find Jayme alone was at midnight at her house. If he was someone she spoke to online under false pretenses she may have said in casual conversation that her parents go to bed early, or she's often up late in her room reading. We just don't know.

But we do have the benefit of examining previous situations and cases that appeared similar on the outside, and LE, of course, has inside information to compare as well.

 

[oviedo]

UPDATE: Autopsy underway for parents of missing 13-year-old Barron Co. girl

 

[jkloc420]

Iirc they already know it came from the house. We just haven't been told who placed the call from it. They probably do know who it belongs to and I would imagine it was a cell phone on their plan of 3 #'s.

maybe

 

[Tippy Lynn]

well......there was another recent case in Iowa LE said the same thing......and they were wrong imo. I think what they mean is that they have nothing indicating there is someone out lurking to kill and kidnap others as in a serial killer. But common sense would dictate they can't positively know that unless they know more regarding the reasons for the crimes and/or who the perp is and are keeping an eye on him.

It’s funny that you mentioned that. As soon as I posted my comment I thought about Mollie’s case and what LE said.

 

[Le Singe]

Have they said she was there or arrived home during the incident.

they said they believe she was there are the time of the attack and the call.

 

[MsFacetious]

If it was a perv, would it not be easier to meet up at a spot rather than doing murder?

Absolutely, IF your victim is willing to meet you. If they are not, then you have to retrieve them. If she was always around other people in public, at night at home may have been the most feasible option.

I am curious to hear the preliminary autopsy findings. The sheriff seemed reluctant to say that gunshots were the definitive cause of death for the victims. Something about this whole thing makes it seem like the crime scene was perhaps a bit more sinister than they are saying. moo

Maybe there was some sort of tied up/tortured to get pin number or other financial information before leaving?

Perhaps other injuries, (like the D.C. mansion murders) so they don't know which killed them until after autopsy.

Maybe after perp got what he wanted or gave up, Dad was injured and restrained and Mom killed. Perp thought Dad was mortally wounded so started to leave with Jayme, but Dad got free and came after the Perp, then being shot in the doorway.

It likely means absolutely nothing but I found a page showing Jayme was a runner in cross country last school year. 3000 meters (nearly 2 miles).

I think it means two things.
It means a possible method of her being found to victimize: she could have been spotted and stalked by someone while she was running.
It also means HOPE! That if she is able to get away and run like hell, she has a good chance of escaping!

If Jayme was last seen Sunday afternoon, is it possible she went off with someone else (teenage boy/adult male) and when she was brought home later that night, Dad came to door, got into argument with the significant other, and was shot. Her not being seen since that afternoon I think is significant.

I don't get this vibe in this case. Jayme seems like a "young" newly 13, not a "mature" newly 13.

Interesting in your first quote that this was said: Authorities in northwestern Wisconsin are questioning people, following up on tips, and checking social media and phone records in the rapidly expanding search for a 13-year-old girl who has been missing since — and possibly before — her parents were slain in the family's home outside Barron, Wis.

This hasn't been stated anywhere. LE has been VERY clear that they believe Jayme was IN the house WHEN her parents were killed. This is just a reporters incorrect interpretation.

They seem confident that she is, indeed, in danger.

Her parents were murdered and she is missing. If they WEREN'T confident she was in danger I'd be questioning their competence.

I about lost it. At the presser they said the public wasn't in danger. Seriously??? We have 2 parents dead, the 13 yr old daughter kidnapped & no suspect, nobody seen anything. Seriously?????? Everyone is in danger!!!! Until they figure this out!

They say this a lot and it ALWAYS bothers me. Even if Jayme was the target that doesn't mean they won't target someone else. They don't always stop at one. Even Elizabeth Smart's abductor tried to take another girl.

Not a lot of information. I would like to know if the child is adopted. I assume that the police are reviewing social media. I hope this girl is found soon.

Have you seen the pictures of Jayme and her mother? While I've seen some adopted kids who resemble their adoptive family, this is a bit beyond that. If she was adopted it was from a close family member, she looks just like her Mom. I don't think this is a biological family member abduction.

Yes, police are reviewing social media.

Guy's getting out of the car and converses with two other people in two separate vehicles.

I didn't find that bizarre at all. It looked like they might even know each other. Reminded me of when my family/friends and I are going somewhere in a group. Often it's somewhere like camping or snowmobiling where we are towing multiple items so we can't carpool.

The guy seemed quite confident walking up to talk to the guy and it appeared he gave him a fist bump after. However, he could just be a very confident guy too.

 

[cheko1]

For locals, was there a small dusting of snow on the ground Sunday?

Not where I am at. I am 40 miles away. We had snow flurries Sunday morning, but melted right away. Maybe someone lives closer then me?

 

[Steelslady]

We have to remember not once did the police come out and ever say there was a predator at large the entire time from when Duncan had murdered three and kidnapped two young children. And six weeks later murdered Dylan. Not one time in 7 weeks when he had Shasta kidnapoed. They were too busy harassing and falsely accusing Steve Greone..the father of the three children involved.

We must also never forget when little Jessica Lunsford was kidnapped from her home by her stranger pedophile murderer and not once did LE ever warn the community a dangerous predator was at large. Not once. Even though Couey..was right across the street from her home repeatedly raping Jessica for 3 days. Murdering her on day three. There again they were too busy right across the street from the predator falsely accusing her father and Jessica's grandparents

So when any LE agency says the community isn't in any danger I roll my eyes. They have said that same thing in so many cases implying the victims knew their killers. They were awful mindreaders I guess because all of those times they had no clue who the suspect even was for days..weeks or months and even years.

Only then it was proven how wrong they all had been and countless suspects did not even know any of the victims. They were total strangers

Imo

Excellent post that expresses my sentiment exactly!

The murder that happened in my town that I mentioned in the first thread of this case- the rumors were brutal, they even thought that the poor oldest daughter was involved! To this day, that hurts her- she loved her family, her sisters and little brother very much. She lost her parents and little brother that night, but all LE focused on was these awful rumors that there was no proof of. Years later, of course, it was determined that the suspects didn't know not one member of this family, and to make it worse, they went to the wrong house, which no one was home at that house at the time. This poor family, if only the Mom hadn't gotten caught up with something and they had left on time, they wouldn't have been home either and at least the son might still be alive today. Just as they were leaving for their cabin in the woods a couple of hours away, the invasion happened.

 

[jkloc420]

I think it's a very big jump for any criminal to go from burglary to double murder and kidnapping. Many people who are just fine with robbery or even harming an adult would not hurt a child. There's a reason why child predators are often killed or targeted in prison and it's because even other serious criminals believe that harming a child is wrong.

If you actually look at previous cases where a family is murdered and a young daughter is taken, it is often the work of a child sexual predator.

If the motive was robbery, or to "get back" at the parents for something, why would the perpetrator kidnap Jayme? If that was the point, why not murder all three people in their home? The parents are dead, so "taking" Jayme inflicts no further damage on them. Why would you want to be responsible for a living 13 year old who is just a walking evidence shedding machine if your goal has been accomplished by breaking into a home and killing the residents?

It doesn't make sense. It gives LE the greatest impetus possible to track you down on the hope that the child is still alive. It makes your escape so much more complicated and your continued running much more perilous than if you were alone and could slip away.

The only thing that makes sense is that Jayme was the purpose of this. I know people have asked why didn't the perpetrator snatch her off the street, but how do we know she was often alone outside or anywhere? If her parents were "reclusive" as early reports from the neighbors state, Jayme may have been too - keeping to herself or her very populated extracurricular activities that all seemed to be team sports (dance, cross country). Perhaps after watching her, the perpetrator knew the best chance he knew to find Jayme alone was at midnight at her house. If he was someone she spoke to online under false pretenses she may have said in casual conversation that her parents go to bed early, or she's often up late in her room reading. We just don't know.

But we do have the benefit of examining previous situations and cases that appeared similar on the outside, and LE, of course, has inside information to compare as well.

If she called 911, they might of booked it out of the house

 

[oviedo]

I think it's a very big jump for any criminal to go from burglary to double murder and kidnapping. Many people who are just fine with robbery or even harming an adult would not hurt a child. There's a reason why child predators are often killed or targeted in prison and it's because even other serious criminals believe that harming a child is wrong.

If you actually look at previous cases where a family is murdered and a young daughter is taken, it is often the work of a child sexual predator.

If the motive was robbery, or to "get back" at the parents for something, why would the perpetrator kidnap Jayme? If that was the point, why not murder all three people in their home? The parents are dead, so "taking" Jayme inflicts no further damage on them. Why would you want to be responsible for a living 13 year old who is just a walking evidence shedding machine if your goal has been accomplished by breaking into a home and killing the residents?

It doesn't make sense. It gives LE the greatest impetus possible to track you down on the hope that the child is still alive. It makes your escape so much more complicated and your continued running much more perilous than if you were alone and could slip away.

The only thing that makes sense is that Jayme was the purpose of this. I know people have asked why didn't the perpetrator snatch her off the street, but how do we know she was often alone outside or anywhere? If her parents were "reclusive" as early reports from the neighbors state, Jayme may have been too - keeping to herself or her very populated extracurricular activities that all seemed to be team sports (dance, cross country). Perhaps after watching her, the perpetrator knew the best chance he knew to find Jayme alone was at midnight at her house. If he was someone she spoke to online under false pretenses she may have said in casual conversation that her parents go to bed early, or she's often up late in her room reading. We just don't know.

But we do have the benefit of examining previous situations and cases that appeared similar on the outside, and LE, of course, has inside information to compare as well.

I agree with everything in your post - and the article I just posted about quoted the Sheriff as saying they are working closely with the school district. Wonder why he mentioned district and not just working closely with her friends/teachers? I can't help but think of the teacher who took the middle school girl across country.

 

[Boodles]

It really does sound like she may have been hiding as the call was nearly a full minute, and all they could hear was yelling and a disturbance in the background. Fitzgerald said the only word they could understand was "help" which makes me think she didn't want the perp to hear her, and maybe she said it quietly into the phone. Since the neighbor said the gunshots were around 12:30, she may have been hiding at the time of the shots, knowing someone was still there and the call ended when they found her. Jmo

What a horrifying scenario for Jayme if the above in what occurred. Like your worst nightmare coming to pass.

 

[MsBetsy]

brings up an interesting question was the 911 call before or after the gunshots? how firm was the neighbors 12:30 timeframe?

She reported hearing gunshots "around" 12:30" and the call was made "around 1:00 am" so it could have been up to 30 minutes after the shots. Jmo

 

[sloane7777]

I am getting the "feeling " of the Freeman- Bible girls and a little "Bridge Guy" too, not sure why but it feels familiar .

 

[Alethea]

I’ve seen a couple comments from people who are confused about LE saying there is no danger to the public. I think the reason for this is because they have some sort of information that leads them to believe that ONLY Jayme was specifically targeted therefore the perp wouldn’t be going for any other person since the perp was after Jayme only. I think this is a case of a sexual child predator. All signs are pointing to this. JMO

I am usually not a skeptic but I now believe that LE will always say they have no reason to believe there's a danger to the public unless they have actual evidence of an imminent attack, similar to how they handle terrorist threats. In the Mollie Tibbetts case LE repeatedly stated there's no reason to believe there's a danger to the public when we know that they had no idea who was responsible for weeks. And it ended up being a member of the community who very well did represent a danger to the public! If the violent act was a random act of violence, with no real warning before it was committed, what's to say it wouldn't happen again?

I think LE believes its more important to prevent panic and work on their investigations in private than provide accurate information to the public. They struggled with this a lot in NYC and I think many local LE have taken a cue from the NYPD: you can't ask people to sit in their houses with their doors locked indefinitely. Personally I do think there should be some middle ground where people are encouraged to take extra safety precautions like making sure their doors and windows are locked at night and call the police if they notice anything suspicious. I assume most people in a community would be doing this already after a recent act of violent crime but I think it would make the community feel like they are doing something.

 

[human]

That's a very good point given the current climate we're in. When I was in Wisconsin, growing up, you would commonly hear about immigration and meat/poultry plants in the state.

Those plants rely in those workers. I do not think there are any though, are there?

I have to go back in memory, but I think there was a huge drug bust of people growing mj right in that area a few years ago?

These are all IMO until I check it out or someone else knows