AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[Trocroc9]

Predators don't usually announce themselves like that. Someone could easily pretend to be another 13yo girl to befriend her.

A debt for what??

Debt could be related to casino that’s why we are seeing so much related to turtle lake casino

 

[Alexsea]

Why would the perp kick in the door?

Dad goes to door because he hears knocking or doorbell,

Then what? He asks who is there and they kick in the door which would take time.

The frame is not splintered. The actual several inched thick door is splintered as shown in the previous thread.

Not a hollow core door.

So why does dad simply not open the door? Why is he there while they are kicking it in?

I find the kicking in door odd from no matter what side you look at it. Aren’t there many better ways to break in to as a perp/or access your own house as the resident? There’s something really immediate and single minded about kicking in a door.

 

[BRRI]

He’d still have to kill her anyway, especially if he took her.

If someone sees too much, you kill them on the spot. You don’t go through the risk of kidnapping them to simply kill them at another location.

Generally.

Unless it’s a rape and murder. Leaving obvious DNA behind is much more of a risk than kidnapping

 

[MassGuy]

Perhaps the killer is impulsive, disorganized and didn't think to bring extra bullets.
A .45 Colt (a big gun like described by the neighbor) holds six bullets. Perhaps the killer used 2 shots to kill the dad and then had to shoot through the locked bathroom door 4 times to kill the mom. He wouldn't have any bullets left to kill Jayme, yet she was a witness and needed to die. Strangulation takes over 4 minutes, so it would be more practical to grab Jayme and throw her in the truck rather than trying to strangle her.

He could have stabbed her to death, if that was the case.

 

[Ommmm]

Why would the perp kick in the door?

Dad goes to door because he hears knocking or doorbell,

Then what? He asks who is there and they kick in the door which would take time.

The frame is not splintered. The actual several inched thick door is splintered as shown in the previous thread.

Not a hollow core door.

So why does dad simply not open the door? Why is he there while they are kicking it in?

It had to have happened very quickly or I would think he or his wife would have tried to call 911 while the door was being kicked.

 

[MassGuy]

Unless it’s a rape and murder. Leaving obvious DNA behind is much more of a risk than kidnapping

I don’t think he stuck around to commit rape during the sequence of events.

It’s possible, and it would explain taking her, but I don’t think that’s why he took her.

 

[human]

This is info from 2016 on cell phones. They can be tracked.

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[SharonNeedles]

I absolutely could get to the idea that this wasn’t about Jayme. The way I would get there, is simply more information.

Some sort of work conflict. Some other type of strife by someone close to the family.

What do you mean by a “darker motive.”

I’m bothered by what went on in that house for 20+ minutes. I don’t think this assailant was interested in quick, clean kills. Maybe it was the description of a “horrific” crime scene, I think we’re dealing with the kind of monster that wants it to be as horrific as possible. I believe the assailant(s) realized the 911 call had been placed and could have just left or shot her, but killing her quickly with some degree of mercy was not was not in the plans. I think calling that stretch of highway a 14 mile crime scene is probably more accurate than I can stomach.

 

[klind55]

Learn something new every day- I never knew that about the airplane mode, either. Thanks for that information!

I don't think that is true. It can still be tracked.

Common Myths about Cellphone Tracking - Safeguarde.com

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

He could have stabbed her to death, if that was the case.

Unless he was familiar with the Closs' home, he'd have to spend time rummaging through kitchen drawers to find a knife while she was fighting him. Imo, an impulsive person would just grab her and throw her in his truck to kill her off site before the police arrived.

 

[Trocroc9]

Predators don't usually announce themselves like that. Someone could easily pretend to be another 13yo girl to befriend her.

A debt for what??

Gambling debt turtle lake casino

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I’m bothered by what went on in that house for 20+ minutes. I don’t think this assailant was interested in quick, clean kills. Maybe it was the description of a “horrific” crime scene, I think we’re dealing with the kind of monster that wants it to be as horrific as possible. I believe the assailant(s) realized the 911 call had been placed and could have just left or shot her, but killing her quickly with some degree of mercy was not was not in the plans. I think calling that stretch of highway a 14 mile crime scene is probably more accurate than I can stomach.

It's possible the neighbor made a mistake about the time. In one of her interviews, she said that she heard gunshots at 2:37 am and not 12:37 am.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Perhaps the killer is impulsive, disorganized and didn't think to bring extra bullets.
A .45 Colt (a big gun like described by the neighbor) holds six bullets. Perhaps the killer used 2 shots to kill the dad and then had to shoot through the locked bathroom door 4 times to kill the mom. He wouldn't have any bullets left to kill Jayme, yet she was a witness and needed to die. Strangulation takes over 4 minutes, so it would be more practical to grab Jayme and throw her in the truck rather than trying to strangle her.

Actually a Colt 45 with a standard capacity magazine would be 7+1 rounds, but I still think that’s a very unlikely weapon here.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Gambling debt turtle lake casino

That’s crazy. A casino is a regulated business.

 

[human]

Gambling debt turtle lake casino

Why would someone get killed for a gambling debt? There is no money to get if he is dead

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Actually a Colt 45 with a standard capacity magazine would be 7+1 rounds, but I still think that’s a very unlikely weapon here.

Colt revolver holds 6 shots.

 

[Trocroc9]

That’s crazy. A casino is a regulated business.

Not when you borrow money from outside sources to gamble at the casino

 

[MassGuy]

I’m bothered by what went on in that house for 20+ minutes. I don’t think this assailant was interested in quick, clean kills. Maybe it was the description of a “horrific” crime scene, I think we’re dealing with the kind of monster that wants it to be as horrific as possible. I believe the assailant(s) realized the 911 call had been placed and could have just left or shot her, but killing her quickly with some degree of mercy was not was not in the plans. I think calling that stretch of highway a 14 mile crime scene is probably more accurate than I can stomach.

The problem with assembling a coherent theory here, is that we know so damn little.

If this was such a prolonged ordeal, as indicated by the time gap between gunshots and the 911 call, what the hell was going on?!

For me, the simplest explanation is that the witnesses were wrong about the time.

If they’re not wrong, then I think our theories would jibe with one another’s.

To go in that forceful, that loud, and then hang around? I’m struggling with that.

 

[human]

Israel Keyes loved killing random people. Maybe this is another freak of nature.

 

[Alethea]

That’s precisely why I’m so confused here. We don’t see this (double murder) in sexually motivated abductions.

We do see this if a family member kidnaps a child, but there doesn’t seem to be anything like that going on here.

I see what you’re saying in regards to this perhaps not being sexually motivated. I just don’t lean that way right now.

What is difficult for me is the two other main reasons for kidnapping (ransom and revenge) are ruled out because her parents were killed. Her parents are not there to pay the ransom and they're not suffering missing her because they were predeceased.