WI WI - Kelly Dwyer, 27, Milwaukee, 11 Oct 2013 - #1

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I'm basing this off of knowledge of KZ and not on directly witnessing what he would do with Kelly in the room.

May I ask your opinion about why you thought KZ was so guarded that he wouldn't leave anyone alone in a room for 30 seconds? Obviously now we know why he was like that, but at the time it must have seemed very peculiar. That is very strange behavior to me. Did his friends ever talk about why he was so paranoid?

Since you are a verified insider I'm sure a lot of us would love to pick your brain, and I appreciate that you have offered to answer any questions we have about KZ. It would be beneficial to ascertain your connection with the case. This helps to narrow down the questions a poster may wish to ask you. When was the last time you spoke with him? It seems you weren't aware of either Kelly or the other alleged girlfriend, is that correct? Was it unusual in your relationship with KZ for you to not know who he was socializing with or dating? Or did he seem to be more secretive as of late?

TIA for answering my questions!
 
  • #362
May I ask your opinion about why you thought KZ was so guarded that he wouldn't leave anyone alone in a room for 30 seconds? Obviously now we know why he was like that, but at the time it must have seemed very peculiar. That is very strange behavior to me. Did his friends ever talk about why he was so paranoid?

Since you are a verified insider I'm sure a lot of us would love to pick your brain, and I appreciate that you have offered to answer any questions we have about KZ. It would be beneficial to ascertain your connection with the case. This helps to narrow down the questions a poster may wish to ask you. When was the last time you spoke with him? It seems you weren't aware of either Kelly or the other alleged girlfriend, is that correct? Was it unusual in your relationship with KZ for you to not know who he was socializing with or dating? Or did he seem to be more secretive as of late?

TIA for answering my questions!

Just jumping off this post...

I just realized MKE was a verified insider!

Congratulations, MKE! :great:

I is sooooo beneficial to this case to have a verified insider to help us get a better feel for KZ... And Kelly...

It sounds like you have known him for quite a while...

thank you for answering our questions! :seeya:
 
  • #363
May I ask your opinion about why you thought KZ was so guarded that he wouldn't leave anyone alone in a room for 30 seconds? Obviously now we know why he was like that, but at the time it must have seemed very peculiar. That is very strange behavior to me. Did his friends ever talk about why he was so paranoid?

Since you are a verified insider I'm sure a lot of us would love to pick your brain, and I appreciate that you have offered to answer any questions we have about KZ. It would be beneficial to ascertain your connection with the case. This helps to narrow down the questions a poster may wish to ask you. When was the last time you spoke with him? It seems you weren't aware of either Kelly or the other alleged girlfriend, is that correct? Was it unusual in your relationship with KZ for you to not know who he was socializing with or dating? Or did he seem to be more secretive as of late?

TIA for answering my questions!

Kris is a private person. I don't even know how he will handle court. I am sure he is at the depths of despair right now.

It's not that strange that he doesn't leave the room for long. He's not rude and wouldn't leave a guest unattended. He sits and talks with them.

He would often keep friendships compartmentalized. One-on-one time with him was the norm. He gave up a few friendships because they were totally into drugs and he no longer wanted that lifestyle (or so I thought). I guess he got back into it. So sad.
 
  • #364
KZ waived his right to a preliminary hearing but he will enter a plea this afternoon.
 
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BBM I wish google wouldn't announce to the world that they do that! Why do it and then tell the pervs what they are doing to trap them? I would think the pervs would just find another way to share their CP since they know what google is doing.

There are probably legal reasons Google is required to provide warnings as to their security techniques even if only in fine print. FBI peeps set the traps when good reasons emerge for doing so.
Also, I think public knowledge of the tools used to identify crimes on the Internet could act to deter unwanted behavior, as Google doesn't want people to use the service to conduct bad acts and commit crimes.

That said, I also wish there was a way to identify these pervs for the purpose of stopping them from preying on children. The laws seem to focus more on protecting the rights of the bad guys versus protecting the rights of children to live in a society that promotes safe environments. Twisted.

Do we actually know how long the friend had the computer, or when they got it? Note, I'm not trying to blame the friend or whatever, just saying it's not really all that suspicious to me that a friend had the computer.

If I recall correctly, the mother actually called the number that had last been texted (at 10), and got some guy from Kenosha who claimed he didn't know where Kelly was, and that the phone/number had been turned off since then.

Regarding KZ's computer, no, we don't know the specifics of who or why. Why do you think leaving a personal computer in the care of someone else is common? Think of it from the perspective of KZ's age too.
He's a grown man. I'm curious about your views related to this as you've brought this point up before.
Here are my reasons why people don't commonly leave their unprotected computers with other people.

1. We use passwords for a reason. When I received my first laptop (versus desktop), it became my personal computer. No one was going to use it besides me unless they asked for my permission (I assumed).
When you're the sole owner, if things get screwed up, you are responsible.
At first, I didn't have my computer password protected. One day I noticed that my kid played games using my computer. The computer was on a tray in the family room and he decided to have fun with mom's new toy!
Not good. Dangling candy in front of a child is not recommended. After that, I created a password. As long as I logged off, I didn't have to worry about others using my computer.

KZ doesn't have children or roommates living with him but he must be savvy enough to password protect his personal computer.
Especially now that we've heard him described as a private person versus an open book type person.

2. Even if info on the computer is business related only, a man wouldn't want anybody messing with his stuff imo. There are programs available that make it possible to share and send common files to your colleagues.
Why would another person need require someone else's actual computer to review or do additional work on a common project?
Isn't KZ an IT professional? Doesn't that indicate he knows more about computers than most people do?

I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around why a man would leave his computer at a 'friend's house'.
Imo, along with KZ's current circumstances, I can't think of one good reason his computer wouldn't be with him.

WHERE DID YOU READ THAT KELLY'S MOM MADE CONTACT WITH THE OWNER OF THE KENOSHA NUMBER?
Can you find a link?
The only info I've read is that Kelly's mom has access to the phone records but the number in question was not in service when dialed. We can assume Kelly's mom may have dialed the number since she was looking for Kelly. Afaik contact was not possible/made.

BBM Well, now we know why he was so guarded. When you say KZ would only step out of the room for 30 seconds when Kelly was there, my curiosity is getting the better of me as to how you know this?

I'm basing this off of knowledge of KZ and not on directly witnessing what he would do with Kelly in the room.

mke, is the guarded characteristic an afterthought? Like, come to think of it, KZ was always private or was it something you actually noticed about him before he was arrested? I mean, was he overly concerned if someone showed an interest in something beyond topics he controlled? Make sense?
I've known people who, after you ask them a question, you feel weird because they clam up (when, to me, the question seems reasonable when trying to get to know someone better).

Can anyone confirm that the actual gf was Meagan? I don't want to use the full name

On WS we can't reveal a person's name who hasn't been mentioned in the media.
I'd like to know why the media peeps keep referring a Kelly as KZ's girlfriend. They don't say 'friend' but repeat gf.
Did/does Kelly's mom believe KZ was Kelly's bf? Did Kelly refer to KZ as her bf?
Kelly has/d a roommate too. Not sure if mainly for financial reasons or if they hung out and shared personal stories with one another as well.

Just jumping off this post...

I just realized MKE was a verified insider!

Congratulations, MKE! :great:

I is sooooo beneficial to this case to have a verified insider to help us get a better feel for KZ... And Kelly...

It sounds like you have known him for quite a while...

thank you for answering our questions! :seeya:

IHAVENOCLUE, "Congratulations"? This word, used in these circumstances, cracks me up.
How else could this be expressed? How about, 'Great to have you as a verified insider' as the rest of your post expresses nicely.
Because, after insiders are bombarded with our questions, they're probably thinking they should have stayed 'regular'. lol! :blushing:

Remind me not to make these long connected posts again. Not my fave method.
 
  • #366
http://fox6now.com/2013/11/05/kris-zocco-to-make-court-appearance-on-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges/
Article was updated at 4:22 p.m.

Judge decides the bail amount of $250,000 should remain while Zocco's attorney argued his family doesn't have that kind of money to post his bail.
 
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KZ waived his right to a preliminary hearing but he will enter a plea this afternoon.

Plea has now been entered as not guilty, according to Wisconsin Court System Circuit Court Access site (http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl)

ADA Sara Lewis reiterated that he remains a POI in Kelly's disappearance.

Presiding judge also changed from Timothy Dugan to David Borowski. Any insights as to why the change?

Scheduling conference set for December 5.
 
  • #369
Kris is a private person. I don't even know how he will handle court. I am sure he is at the depths of despair right now.

In the video from his court appearance today, you can see that he hasn't shaved, maybe corroborating MKE's speculation on his state of mind right now.
 
  • #370
http://fox6now.com/2013/11/05/kris-zocco-to-make-court-appearance-on-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges/
Article was updated at 4:22 p.m.

Judge decides the bail amount of $250,000 should remain while Zocco's attorney argued his family doesn't have that kind of money to post his bail.

To answer your prior question..I almost always thought he was guarded/overly private. He didn't act strange with people though. He got along well with people for the most part. He did open up to me sometimes but he sometimes would lie if he wanted to avoid a topic or getting too close. He once referred to himself as having a damaged goods mentality. It made me feel sad.

Oh, and I thought the same thing about the congratulations! Congratulations to me (sarcasm). But I'm sure the person posting meant well. I'm finding this rather therapeutic so I appreciate the conversations.
 
  • #371
KZ says he saw her leave his apartment @ 9:am. I doubt she snuck out of the building to avoid surveillance cameras. Also I wonder if there really was a text sent from her phone @ 10:am. I don't know if le ever confirmed. If there was a text, was it in language she would have used?
 
  • #372
KZ says he saw her leave his apartment @ 9:am. I doubt she snuck out of the building to avoid surveillance cameras. Also I wonder if there really was a text sent from her phone @ 10:am. I don't know if le ever confirmed. If there was a text, was it in language she would have used?

If she left at 9am then it should be an easy task if the camera was recording, to see her leaving, even if they check over a time span of 30 minutes before and after 9am. I wonder how long it records before it loops over the recording.
 
  • #373
Kris is a private person. I don't even know how he will handle court. I am sure he is at the depths of despair right now.

It's not that strange that he doesn't leave the room for long. He's not rude and wouldn't leave a guest unattended. He sits and talks with them.

He would often keep friendships compartmentalized. One-on-one time with him was the norm. He gave up a few friendships because they were totally into drugs and he no longer wanted that lifestyle (or so I thought). I guess he got back into it. So sad.

Not leaving anyone alone in a room because you are guarded and not leaving anyone alone in a room because you don't want to be rude are two different things, IMO. I guess what I'm trying to find out is if he considered himself to be in a relationship with Kelly or if she did. Their relationship is so ambiguous right now. And usually if you are in a relationship with someone you can leave them alone in a room for a few minutes to run to the store, go to work, etc. But now we know he didn't leave anyone alone because of what he was hiding, apparently.

At this point we only have his word that he and Kelly did drugs together. As someone else pointed out, it is strange that he offered that information up so readily.To paint her in a bad light, maybe? Did they ever go out in public together? How long had he known her? Did any of his friends know her? Did any of his friends know him to go out with any girls? It's kind of hard to keep a girlfriend secret if you have any kind of social life.
 
  • #374
If he saw her leave the building at 9am then someone else likely would have seen her leave. Surely there are surveillance cameras on that building, neighboring buildings, traffic cameras, something.

I do find it strange that this man was fairly successful and has such a variety of deviant activities surrounding him. Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬, cocaine, person of interest in a disappearance, that's quite a bit for a "stand up" corporate guy.

Has anyone located the man that Kelly met on OkCupid, or the man she was texting (if it was the same man)?

Jenna
 
  • #375
To answer your prior question..I almost always thought he was guarded/overly private. He didn't act strange with people though. He got along well with people for the most part. He did open up to me sometimes but he sometimes would lie if he wanted to avoid a topic or getting too close. He once referred to himself as having a damaged goods mentality. It made me feel sad.

Oh, and I thought the same thing about the congratulations! Congratulations to me (sarcasm). But I'm sure the person posting meant well. I'm finding this rather therapeutic so I appreciate the conversations.



BBM Not speaking for IHAVEACLUE of course, but I've come to know her and I've never known her to be sarcastic. I think sometimes the typed word doesn't always come out the way we intend. It's happened to me many times! I'm positive she was sincere in what she meant, MKE so please don't take it as a slight to you. I've found her to be one of the nicest posters here.
 
  • #376
If he saw her leave the building at 9am then someone else likely would have seen her leave. Surely there are surveillance cameras on that building, neighboring buildings, traffic cameras, something.

I do find it strange that this man was fairly successful and has such a variety of deviant activities surrounding him. Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬, cocaine, person of interest in a disappearance, that's quite a bit for a "stand up" corporate guy.

Has anyone located the man that Kelly met on OkCupid, or the man she was texting (if it was the same man)?

Jenna

She was seen on surveillance cameras entering the building but never leaving, jenna75.

The man from OkCupid had his phone disconnected after Kelly's mom tried to contact him. Maybe the guy was married and didn't want to get involved? Of course that part is pure speculation.
 
  • #377
Gotcha about the google privacy laws, woe.be.gone. You are probably right.
 
  • #378
Plea has now been entered as not guilty, according to Wisconsin Court System Circuit Court Access site (http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl)

ADA Sara Lewis reiterated that he remains a POI in Kelly's disappearance.

Presiding judge also changed from Timothy Dugan to David Borowski. Any insights as to why the change?

Scheduling conference set for December 5.

Wow, those are a lot of serious charges. Hmmm not sure about why the judge change.
 
  • #379
Kris is a private person. I don't even know how he will handle court. I am sure he is at the depths of despair right now.

It's not that strange that he doesn't leave the room for long. He's not rude and wouldn't leave a guest unattended. He sits and talks with them.

He would often keep friendships compartmentalized. One-on-one time with him was the norm. He gave up a few friendships because they were totally into drugs and he no longer wanted that lifestyle (or so I thought). I guess he got back into it. So sad.

BBM I'm reserving my sympathy for Kelly and her family right now. They are searching a garbage dump for her body. KZ is being held on some pretty egregious crimes, so it's hard to feel much sympathy for him at this point regardless if he is guilty of murdering Kelly or not.
 
  • #380
Not leaving anyone alone in a room because you are guarded and not leaving anyone alone in a room because you don't want to be rude are two different things, IMO. I guess what I'm trying to find out is if he considered himself to be in a relationship with Kelly or if she did. Their relationship is so ambiguous right now. And usually if you are in a relationship with someone you can leave them alone in a room for a few minutes to run to the store, go to work, etc. But now we know he didn't leave anyone alone because of what he was hiding, apparently.

At this point we only have his word that he and Kelly did drugs together. As someone else pointed out, it is strange that he offered that information up so readily.To paint her in a bad light, maybe? Did they ever go out in public together? How long had he known her? Did any of his friends know her? Did any of his friends know him to go out with any girls? It's kind of hard to keep a girlfriend secret if you have any kind of social life.

Someone stated earlier he had a girlfriend and it wasn't Kelly. The parents said in an interview that they had never met him and she was on a dating site. Whatever they had, it wasn't serious. That doesn't mean strong feelings wouldn't be involved though.
 
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