WI WI - LAKE GENEVA SUITCASE MURDERS, Laura Simonson & Jenny Gamez - #1

[carbuff]

We tend to think of things opposite to the way LE thinks. We think, "What reason is there not to tell us?" But they're in a need-to-know-mindset and thinking, "Is there any reason to make anything public?" Usually the answer is no.

 

[AstroKitty]

Sometimes a few dominos fall and it takes awhile for the rest to come tumbling down, but they always will fall down. Maybe these two women were dominos and LE is waiting for the last domino to fall? Get what I'm saying?

 

[carbuff]

Sometimes a few dominos fall and it takes awhile for the rest to come tumbling down, but they always will fall down. Maybe these two women were dominos and LE is waiting for the last domino to fall? Get what I'm saying?

Good point.

 

[scorpionsting]

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - Sep 7, 2000

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=20000907&id=or4aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VjkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5220,6016468

Janesville - A body found behind an adult bookstore and novelty shop nearly three years ago has been identified as a Shell Lake area woman reported missing in October 1996. Crystal Linn Soulier, 18, left a Cable, WI, resort where she worked as a housekeeper on Oct. 1 to visit her grandmother in Beloit...

...Rock County authorities said they are looking into a link between Soulier's death and a body found in 1994 near the adult bookstore. Terryl Standford of Chicago...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

They left them there to be found - for a reason. It was a message most likely.

Sometimes a few dominos fall and it takes awhile for the rest to come tumbling down, but they always will fall down. Maybe these two women were dominos and LE is waiting for the last domino to fall? Get what I'm saying?

What's hard for me to understand is the statement police made to the public that they need not worry because the dead bodies found in two suitcases are an isolated incident. If finding bodies in suitcases wasn't so serious, the comment is kind of funny.

How can they be so sure? Don't club workers or prostitutes deserve to know if they could be in a higher than normal environment for danger?
My imagination can't bring up a scenario that makes sense of the secrecy surrounding the two females' identities. If they're unable to identify them, normally descriptions are given publically asking for help.

Could they have been identified and families were notified? Maybe that's it. If drug overdoses, the people may want to keep private. Whoever left the suitcases there knows they've been found. If a drug related crime, the public should know imo. Just can't think of a reason police wouldn't update whether or not they've identified the bodies, can't identify them or don't wish to make the identities public.

I'm always thinking about Kelly Dwyer from Milwaukee who went missing last October. Her whereabouts are unknown yet she's presumed dead.

 

[AstroKitty]

Yes of course we deserve to know, but try working for the mafia and telling them that. We are just vessels and replaceable. Going to work is like going to jail, it really is. You are sexually abused constantly and if you cause a scene, stand up for yourself etc .. you are fired. It's why I dance for one company on a very infrequent basis and am a dominatrix on my own accord. Sex workers are more educated now than when these two women went missing.

The way the police has worded this and the "missing" makes me think something is now very amiss. Do we know the state of their remains?

 

[Cubby]

Imo, LE is keeping this case quiet because they don't want to disrupt the summer tourist industry.

As for leaving the bodies in that particular location, possibly to leave a message to LE. But my gut tells me it was a convenient spot for someone to get the suitcases out of a vehicle quickly.

I've driven in some area's with no shoulder and the grass is so high, driving by one couldn't notice something set on the grass two feet from the road. It's easily hidden by the tall grass sounding a potential dumping spot.

If an ID is made, I think in this case we might not hear about it until after arrest/s are made.

 

[carbuff]

If they think it was domestic violence, that would be an isolated instance.

They may also mean that they're sure the bodies came from somewhere else, in which case the local people wouldn't be in any danger.

And sadly, yes, sometimes LE acts like they think sex workers and drug users don't deserve to exist. Sigh.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Not being informed is souring me on the idea of making a trip to Lake Geneva.
Ironically, the day I read about the bodies, I had just discussed with my brother if we should take our elderly parents to Lake Geneva for their special day.
Haven't thought about going there in years/decades really but thought it would be fun to visit again as my mom and her mom used to go there when my mom was a girl/young woman. From Chicago, back in the 1940's, with the way the roads were and other factors, I guess it felt as if they were travelling to a faraway place in distance as well as atmosphere. The pics of the two of them from those times are special because peeps didn't take many pictures in those days and they both look so happy and relaxed on the beach.

 

[otto]

Could "isolated incident", where one female has been idenitifed as an adult female and the other is likely an adult female, mean that this was family violence? That could explain why they weren't reported missing, or why it's more difficult to identify them.

"Hurley has said previously that investigators believe the women were brought to the area from another location in what he called an "isolated incident."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...uitcases-in-geneva-b99292113z1-263287341.html

 

[AstroKitty]

Don't take this wrong but I don't know how to react sometimes regarding your honesty. I appreciate your insight though.
Additionally, if the picture I saw of you is really you, you are so beautiful (way above average imo). Hope I'm not against TOS but (probably going to sound judging but don't mean it that way), you don't have to do sex related jobs imo - too dangerous. Deep down it hurts a woman's soul imo.

I'll take a pass on trying to work for the mafia - too old! :blushing:
But really, I believe that subject is off limits on WS!

Yikes, big lightning here now!

Well if you know who I am and have seen my photo ... that's me. Im pretty easy to find and 100% who I say I am, but do not post it publicly. The mods are aware of who I am.

I know I don't have to do sex related jobs, I want to. It doesn't hurt my soul, nor anyone elses' that is doing it by their own rights and wants. It is liberating for me and my career. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be doing it. Thank you for your concern, I do appreciate it.

 

[AstroKitty]

Could "isolated incident", where one female has been idenitifed as an adult female and the other is likely an adult female, mean that this was family violence? That could explain why they weren't reported missing, or why it's more difficult to identify them.

"Hurley has said previously that investigators believe the women were brought to the area from another location in what he called an "isolated incident."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...uitcases-in-geneva-b99292113z1-263287341.html

still super weird wording and I do not know how to take it... isolated? Not concerning? What about their families?! I think it would be a bit of a concern to their family! Either way there is a killer out there with disregard for human life, that to me is rather alarming.

I hope these two women aren't sex workers and they are saying it's not cause for concern because of their occupation. I would light a fire under them with my feminist lighter lol

 

[Snoods]

I just watched an old "Forensic Files" in which a body was found in a suitcase. LE found a tiny tag sewn into the suitcase which included a lot number, and from that they were able to track down where the suitcase was purchased (Walmart) and who purchased it.

I guess it depends on where you purchase your suitcase; I just looked at mine and I couldn't find any such tag with a lot number, although there was a manufacturer tag.

Wishful thinking, but hopefully our killer is thrifty and shopped at Walmart.

 

[otto]

still super weird wording and I do not know how to take it... isolated? Not concerning? What about their families?! I think it would be a bit of a concern to their family! Either way there is a killer out there with disregard for human life, that to me is rather alarming.

I hope these two women aren't sex workers and they are saying it's not cause for concern because of their occupation. I would light a fire under them with my feminist lighter lol

It seems to me that the police response to finding bodies, or having missing persons, is to either describe it as an "isolated incident", or they advise the public to be cautious.

When it's an isolated incident, it usually means that it is not random. It's possible that something about the two bodies suggests that they are related, which could suggest that it is domestic violence. Maybe they ate the same last meal? I don't know, but there must be something to suggest that it is not random, but police are not yet prepared to make that statement.

If it is random, police usually release a warning to the public ... but would there be a warning to sex workers to be more careful if it was an "isolated incident"?

 

[AstroKitty]

It seems to me that the police response to finding bodies, or having missing persons, is to either describe it as an "isolated incident", or they advise the public to be cautious.

When it's an isolated incident, it usually means that it is not random. It's possible that something about the two bodies suggests that they are related, which could suggest that it is domestic violence. Maybe they ate the same last meal? I don't know, but there must be something to suggest that it is not random, but police are not yet prepared to make that statement.

If it is random, police usually release a warning to the public ... but would there be a warning to sex workers to be more careful if it was an "isolated incident"?

Sadly they rarely issue warnings to us, we warn each other. I agree it seems domesticated. Anyone scour around to find 2 missing women from the same family in Chicagoland/ IL to Geneva?

 

[otto]

I just watched an old "Forensic Files" in which a body was found in a suitcase. LE found a tiny tag sewn into the suitcase which included a lot number, and from that they were able to track down where the suitcase was purchased (Walmart) and who purchased it.

I guess it depends on where you purchase your suitcase; I just looked at mine and I couldn't find any such tag with a lot number, although there was a manufacturer tag.

Wishful thinking, but hopefully our killer is thrifty and shopped at Walmart.

When I first saw the topic and saw that truckers were mentioned, I wondered if the two women were fournd in their own suitcases.

One the other hand, it certainly would be the first time someone used a suitcase to haul a body out of a building without appearing conspicuous.

 

[otto]

Sadly they rarely issue warnings to us, we warn each other. I agree it seems domesticated. Anyone scour around to find 2 missing women from the same family in Chicagoland/ IL to Geneva?

Perhaps it's two sisters: one an adult, and the other close to being an adult, like 17 and 19 years old. Perhaps it's mother and daughter. Perhaps it's two women and investigators have no idea what they're dealing with. Has the race of the victims been disclosed?

 

[Snoods]

When I first saw the topic and saw that truckers were mentioned, I wondered if the two women were fournd in their own suitcases.

One the other hand, it certainly would be the first time someone used a suitcase to haul a body out of a building without appearing conspicuous.

BBM Hmmm, interesting, I hadn't thought of that. Are you thinking hitchhikers? But would two women be hitchhiking with big 'ol suitcases? I would think backpacks, but not suitcases.

Agree, seems like someone had to remove the suitcases from somewhere in which they didn't want to arouse suspicion, like a hotel or a house.

 

[STANDREID]

If they don't know the identities of the victims and the perpetrator, how can they possibly know that it's an isolated incident?

 

[KDub]

If they don't know the identities of the victims and the perpetrator, how can they possibly know that it's an isolated incident?

I think they know more then they are saying....I wish they would give us something, though.