WI - Madison, school shooting at Abundant Life Christian School 16 Dec 2024

[bestill]

Insight into what that hand signal signifies. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate

I didn't think it was OK when I saw it. Thanks for the link confirming what I considered it to mean. This girl was so messed up. How can you harbor such anger and hate and it not be noticed in your daily life? I think we'll be hearing more about her and issues she had. All JMO

 

[Knitty]

MOD NOTE: Watch your sources - the source that has published the UNVERIFIED manifesto is not approved here. It's named like a local news source might be but is not. Law enforcement has said that as of now, the manifesto is unverified. If it's later verified, that will be announced through LE sources and MSM.

 

[MassGuy]

Less than 5% of school shooters in the past decade were female​

Gabriella Rudy
Out of 544 school shootings over an 11-year period, less than 5% of the shooters were female, according to Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group that advocates for stronger gun laws. The group flagged that the shooter's gender is not always available, making the data incomplete.

Former FBI Assistant Director for Counterintelligence and MSNBC analyst Frank Figliuzzi corroborated this statistic, telling MSNBC's Jose Diaz-Balart today that officials are trying to track the serial number of the gun the suspect in the Abundant Life Christian School shooting used to determine where she got it.

He also said that the FBI will be looking for flags indicating that an event like this would occur.

“It's rare that there’s no clues or indicators, especially with a teenager,” Figliuzzi said.

Abundant Life Christian School shooting live updates: Female student named as suspect

Latest news and live updates after a school shooting left 3 dead, 6 injured yesterday at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Leilei]

Live update from the CoP on Court TV right now.

 

[sds71]

Just now, the police chief clarifies that, upon further review of the call logs, the call came from a second grade teacher, not a second grader.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869100336516112476

 

[x_files]

I didn't think it was OK when I saw it. Thanks for the link confirming what I considered it to mean. This girl was so messed up. How can you harbor such anger and hate and it not be noticed in your daily life? I think we'll be hearing more about her and issues she had. All JMO

If she was extremely quiet her teachers probably had no clue she was troubled.

 

[Warwick7]

Just now, the police chief clarifies that, upon further review of the call logs, the call came from a second grade teacher, not a second grader.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869100336516112476

I'm confused. Wasn't it said by LE "Let that sink in." As to 2nd grader calling 911?
Both can't be true.

 

[Leilei]

Presser info:
911 call came from a Second Grade teacher, not a student.
Document (manifesto) has not been verified, asking that it not be shared.
Looking at SR's social media activity, if anyone knew how she was feeling or going through, please contact Crimestoppers.
Motive seems to be a combination of factors, can't release info at this time.
Patient statuses have not changed.
Re: Bullying - they are talking to students.
Re: Specific targets - "Everyone was a target"
Apparently false threats have been an issue today.
IMO.

 

[Sundog]

Source?

“We also want to look at if the parents may have been negligent. And that’s a question that we’ll have to answer with our district attorney’s office,” Barnes said. “But at this time, that does not appear to be the case.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/17/us/madison-school-shooting-tuesday-hnk/index.html

BBM

 

[Curiousobserver]

Live updates: Madison Police hold news conference on Wisconsin school shooting

Two people were killed and others were injured Monday in a shooting at Abundant Life Christian School, a private Christian school in Madison, Wisconsin. Police said 15-year-old Natalie Rupnow, who went by the name Samantha, was the student who opened fire, was also dead.

apnews.com

 

[LAhiker]

I'm confused. Wasn't it said by LE "Let that sink in." As to 2nd grader calling 911?
Both can't be true.

Chief Barns said that he had been mistaken. It was a 2nd grade teacher who called 911, not a 2nd grade student.

 

[LAborn]

“We also want to look at if the parents may have been negligent. And that’s a question that we’ll have to answer with our district attorney’s office,” Barnes said. “But at this time, that does not appear to be the case.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/17/us/madison-school-shooting-tuesday-hnk/index.html

BBM

Thanks. We shall see. Once they trace the gun, they'll know more about who is responsible.

 

[justtrish]

For sure. Now there's legal precedence for charging parents who don't properly secure their fire arms and children using them for crimes. Crumbleys https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/us/james-jennifer-crumbley-sentencing/index.html

There was so much more to the Crumbley case than they didn't secure the firearm. They were called to the school that day due to troubling drawings the child had made on school papers. They didn't take him home, they let him stay at school and they didn't warn the school that he had access to guns. If I recall correctly, one of them went home to look for the guns or noticed the gun was gone.. there was texting between the parents that seemed to suggest they were concerned about this and yet they didn't warn the school and then the shooting happened after they left the school and didn't take him home, even though the school suggested it and that he needed to maybe talk to someone.. as in they were alarmed at his actions. He also had told his parents he was having trouble via texts. They didn't get him help.

I think if a parent or parents are truly negligent, then yes they should be charged. I don't think that just because a child gets a gun and does this that it means the parents have any fault in it. Sometimes guns are secured the best they can be and a teenager can still get their hands on one. I agree with charging parents when its clearly shown they had reason to take extra precautions and they didn't.

So far in this case, the police have not indicated that the parents were negligent or in any way knew their child was going to do this or was even capable of doing this.

IMO

 

[LAborn]

There was so much more to the Crumbley case than they didn't secure the firearm. They were called to the school that day due to troubling drawings the child had made on school papers. They didn't take him home, they let him stay at school and they didn't warn the school that he had access to guns. If I recall correctly, one of them went home to look for the guns or noticed the gun was gone.. there was texting between the parents that seemed to suggest they were concerned about this and yet they didn't warn the school and then the shooting happened after they left the school and didn't take him home, even though the school suggested it and that he needed to maybe talk to someone.. as in they were alarmed at his actions. He also had told his parents he was having trouble via texts. They didn't get him help.

I think if a parent or parents are truly negligent, then yes they should be charged. I don't think that just because a child gets a gun and does this that it means the parents have any fault in it. Sometimes guns are secured the best they can be and a teenager can still get their hands on one. I agree with charging parents when its clearly shown they had reason to take extra precautions and they didn't.

So far in this case, the police have not indicated that the parents were negligent or in any way knew their child was going to do this or was even capable of doing this.

IMO

LE isn't going to tip their hand, it's too early in the case, they don't have gun records, ballistics, etc. yet. When a minor gets a gun from the home, imo that's negligence. We'll see what happens.

 

[Kona3064]

I know I am old, but we always settled disputes with fist fights after the school bell off school property.

It looks like conflict resolution is not used by youth.

We also could talk to one another. Thanks to social media the younger generations have terrible communication skills. I am glad I grew up when there were no computers, cell phones or social media. We spent a lot of time outside. Did we always get along? NO! But we never resorted to killing others. Ethics , values and respect for human life are waning. Kids need to get out of the house and away from all electronics.

 

[Sunshynn]

So far in this case, the police have not indicated that the parents were negligent or in any way knew their child was going to do this or was even capable of doing this.

Agreed on this.
I don't think that just because a parent gifts their teenager a gun (as long as its kept stored safely and can only be used and/or removed from the gun cabinet by the parent and while the parent is around to supervise) or takes their teen to shooting ranges or hunting that it constitutes negligence. IMO.
My view could be skewed due to being born and raised in West Virginia - admittedly - but teaching your child gun safety and how to store those guns safely when not in use could be a good thing.
Yes, the alleged shooter somehow got her hands on the gun but that doesn't mean that all safety measures were not in use.
MOO.

 

[shotgun09]

Was the shooter the only child living at home? Has that been mentioned? Also, how long had she been enrolled in that school? Inquiring minds...

 

[MrsWatson]

There was so much more to the Crumbley case than they didn't secure the firearm. They were called to the school that day due to troubling drawings the child had made on school papers. They didn't take him home, they let him stay at school and they didn't warn the school that he had access to guns. If I recall correctly, one of them went home to look for the guns or noticed the gun was gone.. there was texting between the parents that seemed to suggest they were concerned about this and yet they didn't warn the school and then the shooting happened after they left the school and didn't take him home, even though the school suggested it and that he needed to maybe talk to someone.. as in they were alarmed at his actions. He also had told his parents he was having trouble via texts. They didn't get him help.

I think if a parent or parents are truly negligent, then yes they should be charged. I don't think that just because a child gets a gun and does this that it means the parents have any fault in it. Sometimes guns are secured the best they can be and a teenager can still get their hands on one. I agree with charging parents when its clearly shown they had reason to take extra precautions and they didn't.

So far in this case, the police have not indicated that the parents were negligent or in any way knew their child was going to do this or was even capable of doing this.

IMO

I agree, we don't have enough information right now to form an opinion as to whether or not the parents had any idea of what was going on with the shooter. Teen-agers can be sneaky and hide all sorts of things. The gun could have been securely stored and the shooter figured out how to get to it.

The Crumbley's knew their son had issues and their solution was to buy him a gun. It was clear from SM posts that it was his gun. When they testified, they both blamed the other that the shooter was able to access the gun. To me, it was clear they were negligent and bore some responsibility. The juries agreed.

 

[LAborn]

Agreed on this.
I don't think that just because a parent gifts their teenager a gun (as long as its kept stored safely and can only be used and/or removed from the gun cabinet by the parent and while the parent is around to supervise) or takes their teen to shooting ranges or hunting that it constitutes negligence. IMO.
My view could be skewed due to being born and raised in West Virginia - admittedly - but teaching your child gun safety and how to store those guns safely when not in use could be a good thing.
Yes, the alleged shooter somehow got her hands on the gun but that doesn't mean that all safety measures were not in use.
MOO.

By virtue of the shooter getting and using the gun, all safety measures weren't used (if she got the gun from her home, that is).

 

[oceanverde]

That press conference was something else. The media really believes they are entitled to immediate information. Kudos to the Madison mayor for shutting that down and telling them to show some human empathy and compassion and let the victims heal, let the families grieve, etc.