WI - Madison, school shooting at Abundant Life Christian School 16 Dec 2024

[Chimera]

If I'm reading it right, she was one of the original two victims, but it's just now her name and details have been made public.

Yes, thanks.
I went back and edited my comment.

 

[al66pine]

Manifesto.
If the actual text has been shown in MSM, I missed it.
Can anyone verify its release, pls?
Anyone have a link handy pls?
TiA.

 

[DS2021]

Manifesto.
If the actual text has been shown in MSM, I missed it.
Can anyone verify its release.
Anyone have it handy pls?
TiA.

It hasnt as far as i know

 

[DS2021]

More info on parents and homelife

School shooter Natalie ‘Samantha’ Rupnow was in therapy over troubled home life that saw parents repeatedly divorce — before deadly Wisconsin rampage

Rupnow’s parents married and divorced three times since 2011.

nypost.com

 

[Betty P]

<quoted post was removed (manifesto has not been verified)

Was she "home schooled"? It sounds like she was shuttled back and forth between parents homes several times per week. If she was enrolled in a school during that time, it doesn't sound like she was getting much education. It's possible her current school wasn't doing such a great job, either, especially if she was a "special needs" student.

 

[MassGuy]

NEW: The victims killed in Monday's school shooting in Madison, Wisconsin, have been identified as 42-year-old Erin M. West and 14-year-old Rubi P. Vergara.

The victims' names were released late Wednesday evening by the Dane County Medical Examiner.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869560137184399751

 

[mommabee]

This is true.

In my school we received training on what to look for regarding gang symbols and insignia.
If we saw anything in their notebooks or elsewhere, for example wearing certain colors and some particular beaded necklaces, we informed the parents and those kids were sent to the guidance counselor. It’s the guidance counselor’s job to plumb the depths of the child’s thinking and either dismiss it or take further steps.

Same thing if I saw anything disturbing in their essays.

Certainly that isn’t foolproof. I recall the Columbine killers were able to convince their counselors that they were harmless.

I saw my career as not only giving instruction but also trying to give positive attention to the lonely and disaffected. At prom I used to sit with the loners instead of at the teachers’ tables, and I tried to give those kids extra attention all year.

When I was a new teacher I did something extremely stupid. I had a very bizarre 14-year old male student who seemed to be a potential powder keg. For some reason he liked me and asked me to go roller-blading with him. I took my daughter’s roller blades and did skate with him outside in a public shopping center. When I told my assistant principal the next day, he went ballistic. He told me in no uncertain terms that while he knew I was trying to form a bond, that I absolutely could NEVER hang out with a student, particularly a boy, outside of school.

We really do try. I started teaching before the Internet but once that and cell phones emerged, there was so much to which we had no access. Sometimes other kids would tell us about something troubling they saw online and then we could do the follow up…but none of what we try is 100% guaranteed against a determined, seething and wily child.

JMO and experience.

This is what parents want and fear. We are desperate for our children to find the connection that they need to move them in the positive direction we want for them, and fear that every connection is an opportunity to negatively direct, exploit or abuse a trusting and vulnerable child.

I would pay for my teens to have an adult that they trust and look up to, to help move them towards the ultimate goal. But, as we know, that power can very easily be turned against us and our children's best interest.

 

[Trino]

Because devices are the modern babysitters this day & age while the parent(s) do whatever they’re doing. It started generations ago with toys, then video games then PCs & now it’s cell phones & tablets or a mixture of those.

Many parents have zero clue what their kids are doing online & many teens would see it as the end of the world if a parent demanded to see their devices - would be like going through a desk or dresser, etc. - appalling to a teen when the reality of it is it’s for their own protection/benefit. She didn’t learn her alleged hatred & racism & radical views of the world through bullying alone. Throw in the new ange sense of entitlement & you have a pretty good recipie for rage at some point. Obviously neither parent was privy as to what she was potentially reading or posting online.

JMO

<quoted post was removed (manifesto has not been verified)
There are many kids that have parental problems, some much more serious, i.e. physical abuse, sexual abuse, but they don't go to school and shoot innocents. I do believe there is more to her problems than parents who don't get along. If she hated her parents, why didn't she shoot them? She may have been able to hide mental problems. Did she have friends? Where are statements from those who knew her?

 

[Trino]

Dad can be charged if it's learned he didn't properly secure the weapon used for the murders. "Federal law prohibits the possession of a handgun or handgun ammunition by any person under the age of 18."

Wisconsin state laws do not require firearm owners to lock their weapons. The state does not have any laws in place that require unattended firearms to be stored a certain way. I think this is a state crime.

 

[Luna20]

Creepy site.

“The 15-year-old Wisconsin school shooter who killed two and injured six at her conservative Christian school had a dark past which appears to have included membership to a morbid site called “Watch People Die.”


“The site includes graphic and upsetting images of people getting shot to death, run over, other school shooters and many international incidents like a 19-year-old man who died after getting caught in a meat grinder”

School shooter Natalie ‘Samantha’ Rupnow linked to sick website showing beheadings, burnings and gruesome deaths

Police don’t yet have a motive for the shooting but Rupnow was apparently also an aficionado of a morbid site that includes graphic and upsetting images of people getting shot to death, run o…

nypost.com

 

[Incredholt]

San Diego man detained in connection with Wisconsin school shooting suspect​

A 20-year-old California man has been detained on suspicion of "plotting" to coordinate a mass shooting at a government building in conjunction with the Madison school shooter, according to court records.

FBI agents detained Alexander Paffendorf, of Carlsbad, California, according to an emergency gun violence restraining order reviewed by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, part of USA TODAY Network. Authorities in Wisconsin said Natalie "Samantha" Rupnow, 15, shot and killed a student and teacher, and injured six others, at Abundant Life Christian School earlier this week.

California man detained in connection with Wisconsin school shooting, records show

FBI agents detained a man in Carlsbad, California, in connection with the deadly Wisconsin school shooting, according to court documents.

www.usatoday.com

 

[IzzyBlanche]

San Diego man detained in connection with Wisconsin school shooting suspect​

A 20-year-old California man has been detained on suspicion of "plotting" to coordinate a mass shooting at a government building in conjunction with the Madison school shooter, according to court records.

FBI agents detained Alexander Paffendorf, of Carlsbad, California, according to an emergency gun violence restraining order reviewed by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, part of USA TODAY Network. Authorities in Wisconsin said Natalie "Samantha" Rupnow, 15, shot and killed a student and teacher, and injured six others, at Abundant Life Christian School earlier this week.

California man detained in connection with Wisconsin school shooting, records show

FBI agents detained a man in Carlsbad, California, in connection with the deadly Wisconsin school shooting, according to court documents.

www.usatoday.com

OMG! That's practically down the road from me!

 

[gitana1]

San Diego man detained in connection with Wisconsin school shooting suspect​

A 20-year-old California man has been detained on suspicion of "plotting" to coordinate a mass shooting at a government building in conjunction with the Madison school shooter, according to court records.

FBI agents detained Alexander Paffendorf, of Carlsbad, California, according to an emergency gun violence restraining order reviewed by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, part of USA TODAY Network. Authorities in Wisconsin said Natalie "Samantha" Rupnow, 15, shot and killed a student and teacher, and injured six others, at Abundant Life Christian School earlier this week.

California man detained in connection with Wisconsin school shooting, records show

FBI agents detained a man in Carlsbad, California, in connection with the deadly Wisconsin school shooting, according to court documents.

www.usatoday.com

This is so crazy.

 

[gitana1]

OMG! That's practically down the road from me!

Scary. I’m about 50 miles away. You must feel creeped out.

 

[mrstfs]

Scary. I’m about 50 miles away. You must feel creeped out.

I’m 30 miles south, in the city. I wonder which federal building they were going to target? Glad they caught him.

 

[Luna20]

This is so crazy.

It is. Maybe she communicated with the guy and LE saw what was on her phone. Something had to link the two together.

It doesn’t seem like she had enough parental input. Did they ignore red flags or not see any?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I’m 30 miles south, in the city. I wonder which federal building they were going to target? Glad they caught him.

Just speculating, but I think the federal courthouse downtown.

 

[Arkay]

It is. Maybe she communicated with the guy and LE saw what was on her phone. Something had to link the two together.

It doesn’t seem like she had enough parental input. Did they ignore red flags or not see any?

If Natalie was in Wisconsin the whole time, and this 20-year old was in California, then obviously this had to be some kind of Internet connection.

This situation is extra, extra alarming.

They could have chatted if they “met” in that grotesque and morbid website about watching people die. Or otherwise on some yet unrevealed website or through social media.

So the guy was going to be her confederate in murder far from Wisconsin. He may well be the one responsible for posting the alleged manifesto.

I imagine they traced him back through Natalie’s phone or computer. Thank God LE caught him before he could bomb a government building.

Who knows, there may be more tentacles involved than just Natalie and this guy, AP. I’m just speculating, and of course I hope this all ends here.


JMO

 

[airportwoman]

Did she have friends? Where are statements from those who knew her?

A 20-year-old man from the San Diego area, with whom she was corresponding online, has been arrested after threatening to do something similar - in this case, blow up a government building as a suicide bomber. This could get very interesting, and not in a good way.

Okay, I see other people beat me to it. My sister lives in San Diego, and we know there are sickos everywhere.

 

[Kaley Smith]

Should be and actually is are very different though. Can’t charge dad with a crime if it’s not actually illegal to have a firearm accessible to a 15 year old.

Fact: Guns are given as birthday or Christmas gifts to children in the US. It's not that uncommon. Families with children holding guns pose for Christmas card photos in the USA.