WI - Madison, school shooting at Abundant Life Christian School 16 Dec 2024

[vls12345]

KSU alumna identified as one of the victims in Wisconsin school shooting

Erin West, 42, has been identified as one of the victims of the school shooting. KSU confirmed she received a degree in early childhood education in 2005.

www.11alive.com

 

[vls12345]

Wisconsin school shooter had 2 guns and got messages from man accused of plotting his own attack

Two students who were shot remained in critical condition Wednesday.

www.11alive.com

 

[Chimera]

Rest in eternal peace, Erin !

My utmost condolences to the families of both Erin and Rubi .

 

[Cryptic]

Can’t charge dad with a crime if it’s not actually illegal to have a firearm accessible to a 15 year old.

While you cant charge dad with a fire arms offense, he can still be charged with negligent homicide- or perhaps even manslaughter if (and its a bif "if") he knowingly allowed a dangerous person to have access to weapons.

In the end, prosecutors are getting tired of:

- I know that my son / daughter has displayed dangerous behavior "A, B and C.
- Solution: Introduce them to weapons to develop self control and personal responsibility.
- Now, I am "shocked and appalled" after something goes wrong.

 

[Sunshynn]

A 20-year-old California man has been detained on suspicion of "plotting" to coordinate a mass shooting at a government building in conjunction with the Madison school shooter, according to court records.

Could this be the online boyfriend that was talking about her pictures and 'opened' the unverified manifesto?
Or just another online friend?

 

[Arkay]

While you cant charge dad with a fire arms offense, he can still be charged with negligent homicide- or perhaps even manslaughter if (and its a bif "if") he knowingly allowed a dangerous person to have access to weapons.

In the end, prosecutors are getting tired of:

- I know that my son / daughter has displayed dangerous behavior "A, B and C.
- Solution: Introduce them to weapons to develop self control and personal responsibility.
- Now, I am "shocked and appalled" after something goes wrong.

I’ve been thinking the same.

I know very little about Wisconsin state law, but in my estimation this is also endangering the welfare of a minor.

After all, Natalie was a minor and killed herself through use of a gun to which she apparently had access. And she shot and killed one minor and gravely injured other minors.

Just spitballing, but this it how it appears to me.

 

[lonetraveler]

I have a shirts/hoodies for bands that I like that probably result in some side eye from people. It's a bit odd that a young teenager knows who KMDFM are since they are a band that has been around for decades. However I am not going to read much into it.

Lol, I'm sitting here right now while wearing a "Guns and Roses" t shirt.

 

[sunspun]

Didn't they charge the Apalachee school shooter's dad with murder, along with his son?

 

[MerBeach]

I’m 30 miles south, in the city. I wonder which federal building they were going to target? Glad they caught him.

I’m 30 miles south, too! This is very unsettling.

 

[Puzzles8]

There are now attempts to ban under 16 from social media. Prime reason right now. Kid's brains are still in the development stage. As adults, we certainly aren't the person we were at 15, often making stupid decisions.

I agree with you in theory, however I don't think there would be any practical way to enforce it.

JMO

 

[Trino]

I’ve been thinking the same.

I know very little about Wisconsin state law, but in my estimation this is also endangering the welfare of a minor.

After all, Natalie was a minor and killed herself through use of a gun to which she apparently had access. And she shot and killed one minor and gravely injured other minors.

Just spitballing, but this it how it appears to me.

She brought two guns to school. Two.

 

[Trino]

While you cant charge dad with a fire arms offense, he can still be charged with negligent homicide- or perhaps even manslaughter if (and its a bif "if") he knowingly allowed a dangerous person to have access to weapons.

In the end, prosecutors are getting tired of:

- I know that my son / daughter has displayed dangerous behavior "A, B and C.
- Solution: Introduce them to weapons to develop self control and personal responsibility.
- Now, I am "shocked and appalled" after something goes wrong.

Understand she was an only child with parents who didn't appear to get along. Thousands of kids in that situation, but they don't go on a killing spree. Not certain parents are to blame because she may have hidden her problems well. Big question is did she have friends? Have not heard one comment from someone who knew her well.

 

[Trino]

I agree with you in theory, however I don't think there would be any practical way to enforce it.

JMO

Australia just did this. Passed a law. The law will make platforms including TikTok, Facebook, Snapchat, Reddit, X and Instagram liable for fines of up to 50 million Australian dollars ($33 million) for systemic failures to prevent children younger than 16 from holding accounts.

 

[Trino]

Wisconsin school shooter had 2 guns and got messages from man accused of plotting his own attack

Two students who were shot remained in critical condition Wednesday.

www.11alive.com

A few more tidbits...mother revealed that her daughter, a locker neighbor of Rupnow, described her as someone who often spoke about her “German boyfriend” and complained about issues at home, that her father did not feed her. She seemed withdrawn and had no circle of friends.
"She was really quiet. She didn't really have any friends, and she just seemed really lonely," It wasn't like she was trying to fit in. She seemed very content being alone."

 

[Trino]

While you cant charge dad with a fire arms offense, he can still be charged with negligent homicide- or perhaps even manslaughter if (and its a bif "if") he knowingly allowed a dangerous person to have access to weapons.

In the end, prosecutors are getting tired of:

- I know that my son / daughter has displayed dangerous behavior "A, B and C.
- Solution: Introduce them to weapons to develop self control and personal responsibility.
- Now, I am "shocked and appalled" after something goes wrong.

Madison police have cleared Rupnow's parents.

Madison Police Chief Shon Barnes said that the department is not looking to charge the parents of the 15-year-old in connection with Monday's shooting. “The parents are fully cooperating, we have no reason to believe that they have committed a crime at this time,” he told reporters.

 

[daybreaking]

I agree with you in theory, however I don't think there would be any practical way to enforce it.

JMO

Parents are legally responsible for protecting their children, (and protecting society FROM their children).

Most children are going to be fine online with some guardrails, and are going to need some exposure to learn how to function in society, just like they need exposure to peanuts and dust to develop immunity.

I haven't seen anything indicating that this girl posted about anything BUT school shootings and gore. Even her music playlists were concerning.

I don't believe that her parents mistakenly thought she was into KPop or similar - They either neglected her entirely, or thought that what she was into was just fine.

I also noticed that the social media communities that she has been identified as being part of so far aren't necessarily ones that glorify racism - They mostly glorify violence. IMO, she learned the racial slurs in person.

She would have become what she became regardless of social media, just like the Columbine shooters did.

 

[airportwoman]

Didn't they charge the Apalachee school shooter's dad with murder, along with his son?

Had Kip Kinkel not killed his parents before taking his weapons to school, I'm sure that they too would have been sentenced to life in prison, for providing him with the weapons even though they knew he had serious MH issues. IIRC, he was in the early stages of schizophrenia.

 

[Luna20]

While you cant charge dad with a fire arms offense, he can still be charged with negligent homicide- or perhaps even manslaughter if (and its a bif "if") he knowingly allowed a dangerous person to have access to weapons.

In the end, prosecutors are getting tired of:

- I know that my son / daughter has displayed dangerous behavior "A, B and C.
- Solution: Introduce them to weapons to develop self control and personal responsibility.
- Now, I am "shocked and appalled" after something goes wrong.

If it’s been confirmed that she was seeing a therapist then I would think that the parents should have been reluctant to her having access to a gun.

 

[mrstfs]

DBM

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree with you in theory, however I don't think there would be any practical way to enforce it.

JMO

There are a few ways they are considering in which to enforce it. At the moment, they involve determining a person's age through a couple of means (not them just ticking a box to say they are over 16). But the law won't come into effect for a year, so we will see what they come up with.

It is throwing the responsibility back on the social media companies to actually TRY to keep the children safe. (And face repercussions if they don't.)

There is a lot about it in this article.


The onus to date has been falling on the parents and the children themselves, and this law is the government making a very definitive statement and saying: We need to put the burden back on you, companies, just like we did with car manufacturers 60 years ago with seatbelts.
And now, there's so much lifesaving technology in our cars, like anti-lock brakes and airbags, that we take for granted. Back then, the car manufacturers pushed back, but now they compete on safety.
This law is really aimed at making normative change, that the onus should fall on platforms.

How will Australia's under-16 social media ban work? We asked the law's enforcer