WI WI - Rothschild, WhtMale pre-50s, UP131512, possibly WWI veteran, lavender checkered tie, tattoos, Sep’30

[othram]

Has @othram been alerted to this unidentified person? My guess is that there should be no trouble raising funds to identify him. Perhaps the veterans might help out.

We are always happy to help!

 

[cbar191]

Thank you, everyone. I appreciate you.

 

[The4TierBridge]

He was exhumed for DNA testing last Friday! "Unknown Soldier" exhumed from Pine Grove Cemetery in Wausau in hopes of DNA identification

 

[cenazoic]

Wow, that’s so unexpected and great.

The article links to the University of Wisconsin’s MIA Recovery and Identification Project, which was unknown to me.

Check out this link:

https://mia.biotech.wisc.edu/wisconsins-missing/

 

[Keiri]

He was exhumed for DNA testing last Friday! "Unknown Soldier" exhumed from Pine Grove Cemetery in Wausau in hopes of DNA identification

Fantastic! Thank you for telling us.

 

[chiaracelli]

He was exhumed for DNA testing last Friday! "Unknown Soldier" exhumed from Pine Grove Cemetery in Wausau in hopes of DNA identification

WOW! Good to hear this is going somewhere!

 

[jemen]

I am completely new to this, but have some thoughts:

If https://mia.biotech.wisc.edu/
does not find a match and better options have failed:
Is there a way to search military records by date of birth? specifically September 24? and three days prior?
Birthdays are periods of increased (suicide) risk for men aged 35 and older

Birthday blues: examining the association between birthday and suicide in a national sample - PubMed

Birthdays are periods of increased risk for men aged 35 and older in the general population and in those receiving mental health care. Raising health-care professionals' awareness of patient groups at greater risk at this personally significant time may benefit care planning and could facilitate...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I thought perhaps PR stood for Puerto Rico--maybe one of his ports of call if he were in the navy.

I also think PR could be for Puerto Rico/Porto Rico.
As provided by Mfliesh - in the hand written note from Marathon County public records, his complexion is described as medium. Puerto Rican's are tri-racial and have skin tones from white to black.

The Statue of Liberty can symbolize many things, including American patriotism, New York City, and the enduring friendship between the people of France and the people of America - symbolizing abolition, democracy, and a beacon of hope for immigrants.
Puerto Ricans immigrated to the USA starting in the late 19th century, primarily as political exiles and intellectuals seeking independence from Spain, with communities forming in New York City by the 1890s, long before they were granted citizenship in 1917. (Canadians immigrants used official land border crossings or other ports like Halifax and Quebec City. Ellis Island was primarily for large scale processing of European immigrants arriving by ship.)

New York City's 77th Sustainment Brigade/77th Infantry Division/The Statue of Liberty Division/The Melting Pot Division used The Statue of Liberty as their unit insignia. This unit was know for its exceptional diversity including Puerto Ricans. (A Lady Liberty tattoo was also popular among the general military during WWI too, especially for those sailing to Europe - being the last glimpse of home and hopefully the first upon their return.)
The 15th New York National Guard Regiment/369th Infantry Regiment/Harlem Hellfighters was a black segregation unit - that included Puerto Rican soldiers and white officers - served under French command in WWI and had a shipping vessel as part of their insignia.
Both units saw combat in The Meuse-Argonne Campaign.
Starting in France, on September 26, 1918, this was the the deadliest and largest land offensive in US military history, lasting until armistice on November 11, 1918.
On September 29, 1918, the 369th captured the town of Séchault, France, but suffered some of the heaviest losses of any American regiment in the process.
Coming under attack on October 2, 1918, soldiers of the 77th Division would become known as the Lost Battalion. 554 American soldiers were surrounded, outnumbered, and fought for their lives for nearly 6 days. Under the leadership of Charles W. Whittlesey they held their position. Only 194 survived unwounded. Notably, Whittlesey died by suicide three years later.

Probably not helpful in indentification, but interesting nontheless:

https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/treat/essentials/anniversary_reactions.asp#:~:text=Anticipated%20trauma%20cues%20might%20also%20include%20the,or%20cues%20related%20to%20a%20specific%20trauma.

Many minorities not only enlisted, but pursued combat in WWI to prove their loyalty and earn full citizenship. Along with challenges like widespread unemployment, inadequate healthcare, poor housing, social isolation/civilian reintegration, and substance abuse faced by most soldiers, minorities returned to find the fight for democracy abroad had not translated to equality at home.

The doenetwork shows:
Estimated Date of Death: Unknown he was found 09/24/1930 and estimated to have died 4-6 hours before
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only. he was found 4-6 hours after death
Eye Color: Unknown this would be known (just not to the general public)
Fingerprints: Unknown known, not matched

https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/software/main.html?id=4196UMWI

The military started fingerprinting prior to WWI, so perhaps there would be a match, but according to the following a webpage, it is a little more complicated.

Fingerprint Identification

Fingerprint identification of John and Jane Doe cases.

www.veterandoe.com

If prints are digitized/nationalized over time, perhaps a re-submission in the future will yield results.

 

[The4TierBridge]

I am completely new to this, but have some thoughts:

If https://mia.biotech.wisc.edu/
does not find a match and better options have failed:
Is there a way to search military records by date of birth? specifically September 24? and three days prior?
Birthdays are periods of increased (suicide) risk for men aged 35 and older

Birthday blues: examining the association between birthday and suicide in a national sample - PubMed

Birthdays are periods of increased risk for men aged 35 and older in the general population and in those receiving mental health care. Raising health-care professionals' awareness of patient groups at greater risk at this personally significant time may benefit care planning and could facilitate...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I also think PR could be for Puerto Rico/Porto Rico.
As provided by Mfliesh - in the hand written note from Marathon County public records, his complexion is described as medium. Puerto Rican's are tri-racial and have skin tones from white to black.

The Statue of Liberty can symbolize many things, including American patriotism, New York City, and the enduring friendship between the people of France and the people of America - symbolizing abolition, democracy, and a beacon of hope for immigrants.
Puerto Ricans immigrated to the USA starting in the late 19th century, primarily as political exiles and intellectuals seeking independence from Spain, with communities forming in New York City by the 1890s, long before they were granted citizenship in 1917. (Canadians immigrants used official land border crossings or other ports like Halifax and Quebec City. Ellis Island was primarily for large scale processing of European immigrants arriving by ship.)

New York City's 77th Sustainment Brigade/77th Infantry Division/The Statue of Liberty Division/The Melting Pot Division used The Statue of Liberty as their unit insignia. This unit was know for its exceptional diversity including Puerto Ricans. (A Lady Liberty tattoo was also popular among the general military during WWI too, especially for those sailing to Europe - being the last glimpse of home and hopefully the first upon their return.)
The 15th New York National Guard Regiment/369th Infantry Regiment/Harlem Hellfighters was a black segregation unit - that included Puerto Rican soldiers and white officers - served under French command in WWI and had a shipping vessel as part of their insignia.
Both units saw combat in The Meuse-Argonne Campaign.
Starting in France, on September 26, 1918, this was the the deadliest and largest land offensive in US military history, lasting until armistice on November 11, 1918.
On September 29, 1918, the 369th captured the town of Séchault, France, but suffered some of the heaviest losses of any American regiment in the process.
Coming under attack on October 2, 1918, soldiers of the 77th Division would become known as the Lost Battalion. 554 American soldiers were surrounded, outnumbered, and fought for their lives for nearly 6 days. Under the leadership of Charles W. Whittlesey they held their position. Only 194 survived unwounded. Notably, Whittlesey died by suicide three years later.

Probably not helpful in indentification, but interesting nontheless:

https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/treat/essentials/anniversary_reactions.asp#:~:text=Anticipated%20trauma%20cues%20might%20also%20include%20the,or%20cues%20related%20to%20a%20specific%20trauma.

Many minorities not only enlisted, but pursued combat in WWI to prove their loyalty and earn full citizenship. Along with challenges like widespread unemployment, inadequate healthcare, poor housing, social isolation/civilian reintegration, and substance abuse faced by most soldiers, minorities returned to find the fight for democracy abroad had not translated to equality at home.

The doenetwork shows:
Estimated Date of Death: Unknown he was found 09/24/1930 and estimated to have died 4-6 hours before
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only. he was found 4-6 hours after death
Eye Color: Unknown this would be known (just not to the general public)
Fingerprints: Unknown known, not matched

https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/software/main.html?id=4196UMWI

The military started fingerprinting prior to WWI, so perhaps there would be a match, but according to the following a webpage, it is a little more complicated.

Fingerprint Identification

Fingerprint identification of John and Jane Doe cases.

www.veterandoe.com

If prints are digitized/nationalized over time, perhaps a re-submission in the future will yield results.

The Doe Network profile is an exact copy paste of the NamUs info, as are all of their newer additions. A field saying unknown doesn't really signify anything meaningful for any US origin case added to the website after circa 2023 (and for the identifiers section, won't mean anything for any case added after 2018 when NamUs 2.0 took away the ability for people to see that info).

The partial skeletal category would likely reflect the state of the remains after an exhumation/examination done recently.

 

[Keiri]

This case was recently updated on NamUs, and since they were extracting DNA for testing, I assume it's been added on the law enforcement side. Hopefully they will team up with the DNA Doe Project and get DNA genealogy done.