Will KC Plea In Light Of GA's Suicide Attempt

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No, I do not believe there will be a plea due to any concern for the family. If there is a plea, it will only be for Casey's self interest. At the root of everything in this case is the fact that Casey is a Sociopath. Understanding this the key to resolving the bewilderment surrounding all of the weirdness of this case. Once we understand the mindset of Casey, we can understand why she lies, steals, kills, fake tears, lack of endearing relationships, etc. realizing she is a sociopath, we can also predict how she will react in and to certain situations.

I found the article written by Adam Khan below VERY helpful in wrapping my head around the whys and hows of this case. It would also seem that any family that has a sociopath as a member, will in some way be dysfunctional through coping or self-preservation.


WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "sociopath" most people think of serial killers. But although many serial killers are sociopaths, there are far more sociopaths leading ordinary lives. Chances are you know a sociopath. I say "ordinary lives," but what they do is far from ordinary. Sociopaths are people without a conscience. They don't have the normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don't feel affection. They don't care about others. But most of them are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic feelings of affection and empathy remarkably well.

Most people with a conscience find it very difficult to even imagine what it would be like to be without one. Combine this with a sociopath's efforts to blend in, and the result is that most sociopaths go undetected.

Because they go undetected, they wreak havoc on their family, on people they work with, and on anyone who tries to be their friend. A sociopath deceives, takes what he (or she) wants, and hurts people without any remorse. Sociopaths don't feel guilty. They don't feel sorry for what they've done. They go through life taking what they want and giving nothing back. They manipulate and deceive and convincingly lie without the slightest second thought. They leave a path of confusion and upset in their wake.

Who are these people? Why are they the way they are? Apparently it has little to do with upbringing. Many studies have been done trying to find out what kind of childhood leads to sociopathy. So far, nothing looks likely. They could be from any kind of family. It is partly genetic, and partly mystery.

But researchers have found that the brains of sociopaths function differently than normal people. And their brains function in a way that makes their emotional life unredeemably shallow. And yet they are capable of mimicking emotions like professional actors.

Sociopaths and psychopaths are the same thing. The original name for this disorder was "psychopath" but the general public and media confused it with "psycho" and "psychotic" so in the 1930s the name was changed to sociopath. Recently the media again caused a misperception that sociopaths were always serial killers, so now many call the condition "antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)."

But some experts think ASPD includes many things like narcissism, paranoia, etc., including sociopathy. And others think ASPD is the same thing as sociopathy, but the diagnostic criteria used to describe and diagnose ASPD is different than sociopathy, so for the purposes of this article, we'll stay with the term "sociopathy."

Sociopaths don't have normal affection with other people. They don't feel attached to others. They don't feel love. And that is why they don't have a conscience. If you harmed someone, even someone you didn't know, you would feel guilt and remorse. Why? Because you have a natural affinity for other human beings. You know how it feels to suffer, to fear, to feel anguish. You care about others.

If you hurt someone you love, the guilt and remorse would be very bad because of your affection for him or her. Take that attachment and affection away and you take away remorse, guilt, and any kind of normal feelings of fairness. That's a sociopath.



HOW COMMON ARE THEY?

Some researchers say only about one percent of the general population are sociopaths. Others put the figure at three or four percent. The reason the estimates vary is first of all, not everyone has been tested, of course, but also because sociopathy is a sliding scale. A person can be very sociopathic or only slightly, and anywhere in between. It is a continuum. So how sociopathic does someone have to be before you call them a sociopath? That's a tough question and it is why the estimates vary.

But clearly sociopaths are fairly common and not easy to detect. Even when the evidence is staring you in the face, you may have difficulty admitting that someone you know, someone you trusted, even someone you love, is a sociopath. But the sooner you admit it, the faster your life can return to normal. Face the facts and you may save yourself a lot of suffering.

Most of the information in this article is from two excellent books I strongly recommend: Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us, and The Sociopath Next Door. The first book is by Robert Hare, who has made his career out of studying sociopaths. He is one of the leading, if not the leading expert on the subject. His insights and examples are compelling. But because Hare has done most of his research in prisons, sometimes his book seems a little removed from everyday reality. We don't very often run into rapists and cold-blooded killers. The second book, by Martha Stout, brings it to the everyday level, describing the kinds of people we are likely to meet in ordinary life.



HOW TO KNOW

The big question is, of course, how can you know whether someone is a sociopath or not? It is a difficult question and even experts on the subject can be fooled. If you suspect that someone close to you is a sociopath, I suggest you read both of the books I mentioned and think hard about it. Compare that person to the other people in your life. Ask yourself these questions:

1. Do you often feel used by the person?

2. Have you often felt that he (or she) doesn't care about you?

3. Does he lie and deceive you?

4. Does he tend to make contradictory statements?

5. Does he tend to take from you and not give back much?

6. Does he often appeal to pity? Does he seem to try to make you feel sorry for him?

7. Does he try to make you feel guilty?

8. Do you sometimes feel he is taking advantage of your good nature?

9. Does he seem easily bored and need constant stimulation?

10. Does he use a lot of flattery? Does he interact with you in a way that makes you feel flattered even if he says nothing overtly complimentary?

11. Does he make you feel worried? Does he do it obviously or more cleverly and sneakily?

12. Does he give you the impression you owe him?

13. Does he chronically fail to take responsibility for harming others? Does he blame everyone and everything but himself?

And does he do these things far more than the other people in your life? If you answered "yes" to many of these, you may be dealing with a sociopath. For sure you're dealing with someone who isn't good for you, whatever you want to call him.

I like Martha Stout's way of detecting sociopaths: "If ... you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with a sociopath."



WHAT DO THEY WANT?

This is an interesting question. Of course most of our purposes are strongly influenced by our connections and affections with others. Our relationships with others, and our love for them, give us most of the meaning in life. So if a sociopath doesn't have these things, what is left? What kind of purposes do they have?

The answer is chilling: They want to win. Take away love and relationships and all you have left is winning the game, whatever the game is. If they are in business, it is becoming rich and defeating competitors. If it is sibling rivalry, it is defeating the sibling. If it is a contest, the goal is to dominate. If a sociopath is the envious sort, winning would be making the other lose, or fail, or be frustrated or embarrassed.

A sociopath's goal is to win. And he is willing to do anything at all to win.

Sociopaths have nothing else to think about, so they can be very clever and conniving. Sociopaths are not busy being concerned with relationships or moral dilemmas or conflicting feelings, so they have much more time to think about clever ways to gain your trust and stab you in the back, and how do it without anyone knowing what's happening.

One of the questions in the list above was about boredom. This is a real problem for sociopaths and they seem fanatically driven to prevent boredom. The reason it looms so large for them (and seems so strange to us) is that our relationships with people occupy a good amount of our time and attention and interest us intensely. Take that away and all you have is "playing to win" which is rather shallow and empty in comparison. So boredom is a constant problem for sociopaths and they have an incessant urge to keep up a level of stimulation, even negative stimulation (drama, worry, upset, etc.).

And here I might mention that the research shows sociopaths don't feel emotions the same way normal people do. For example, they don't experience fear as unpleasant. This goes a long way to explaining the inexplicable behavior you'll see in sociopaths. Some feelings that you and I might find intolerable might not bother them at all.



HOW TO DEAL WITH A SOCIOPATH

There is no known cure or therapy for sociopathy. In fact, some evidence suggests that therapy makes them worse because they use it to learn more about human vulnerabilities they can then exploit. They learn how to manipulate better and they learn better excuses that others will believe.

Given all that, there is only one solution for dealing with a sociopath: Get him or her completely out of your life for good. This seems radical, and of course, you want to be fairly sure your diagnosis is correct, but you need to protect yourself from the drain on your time, attention, money, and good attitude. Healing or helping a sociopath is a pointless waste of your life. That is not your mission. It's not your responsibility. You have your own goals and your own life, and those are your responsibility.

In Hare's book, he says before you diagnose someone as a sociopath, he recommends you get a full clinical diagnostic, including an extensive interview with the sociopath by a qualified psychotherapist, plus interviews with the sociopath's bosses, co-workers, friends, and family. Yeah, right. Good luck on that one. I agree, that would be ideal, but if you can get a sociopath to submit to an interview, I would be astonished. So you'll have to do the best you can with the information you can get.

I don't recommend you tell anyone you have diagnosed him as a sociopath. In fact, I strongly urge you not to. I don't even know if it's a good idea to tell anyone about your conclusion. Just get the sociopath out of your life with as little fanfare as you can. The only exception I would make to this rule is if the sociopath is making someone else's life a living hell, it seems wrong to leave her to the wolves while you slink off. I don't recommend you try to convince your friend she is dealing with a sociopath. I recommend that you simply say you got a lot of insight from this or that book or whatever, and let your friend draw her own conclusions. It is not your mission to save your friend, either. Tell her what you know and if she ignores your warning, that's her problem, not yours. Because you said something, she may figure it out eventually.

If this all sounds cold or heartless, maybe you're not dealing with a sociopath, or maybe she or he hasn't driven you to the point of madness (yet). But remember what the solution is; you may someday need it.

And besides, the point of all this dismal information is so you no longer need to think about such negative things and so you can turn your attention to positive, life-affirming, uplifting goals of your own.

You may also want to check out a support group for people who are in a relationship with a sociopath:

MSN Groups: Psychopathy

MSN Groups: Friends and Family

LoveFraud.com

Sociopathic Style

Safe Relationships

If you have a sociopath in your life, you should take it seriously. Learn what you need to learn, and if you are pretty sure you have correctly identified one, do what needs to be done to protect yourself and your non-sociopathic loved ones. Then get back to your own life. Accomplish your goals. Nurture your relationships. Learn and grow and enjoy yourself.



Summary Of Sociopaths

1. They make you feel sorry for them.

2. They make you feel worried or afraid.

3. They give you the impression you owe them.

4. They make you feel used.

5. Sometimes you suspect they don't care about you.

6. They lie to you and deceive you.

7. They take a lot from you and give back very little.

8. They make you feel guilty (and use that to manipulate you).

9. They take advantage of your kindness.

10. They are easily bored and need constant stimulation.

11. They don't take responsibility but place blame elsewhere.
 
Justice found, Can you link your post to the psych. thread? The subject of sociopathy & psychopathy has been discussed, linked since the beginning of this trial on the psych. thread. Your post will help posters who haven't gone back to the beginning of the thread to read. Thanks so much!
 
no. never. they think they can beat 1st degree and probably get away with a few years. remember there is a pot of gold awaiting should they get to end of that "rainbow". Besides GA's suicide note was helpful to the defense.
 
why would george's attempted suicide have any effect on casey??
 
Do you think that KC will end this charade and take a plea in light of GA's attempted suicide or do you think she will use it and throw GA under the bus? On the one hand I think a reputable lawyer would sit her down and try to end the madness but on the other hand being that inexperienced JB is her lawyer I think they may try to use it in her defense. What are your thoughts?

imo she didnt take a plea for her daughter and she won't now
she's mean and psychotic, she doesn't care
 
Absolutely not. What's in it for her (is her frame of mind).
 
I think that JB will try and convince her to plea. With the overwhelming evidence coming forward, if KC thinks that she could receive the death penalty, maybe she will. I would just assume her plea for LWOP as to get the death penalty if it will end all of this madness. Either way, it won't bring back Caylee.
 
At this point, the only glory KC will ever have is in seeing how big a path of flames and destruction and pain she can leave. Let's see, she (probably) killed her daughter, stole from friends and family, lied, .... etc... I can't even bear to begin to list her crimes/sins, (your choice of terms). Those have already been listed ad nauseum anyway.

KC never gained 1 moment of praise or fame for legitimate accomplishments she achieved thru work, study, talent, or brains. She only got attention via her "crotch" (i.e. screwing anybody she could, attention from males, preggers, baby Caylee). Now she is world-wide infamous because of murdering her child. She loves the attention; why would she want to bring it to a premature close by pleading and being sentenced without the "glory" of a trial? Hell, no, she didn't go thru all this to just shut it down!

Now, the more people who die, suffer, cry, whatev... is more press for HER, more pages in her scrapbook. This is the only attention the pathetic biotch ever got in her life. And besides, when has she ever demonstrated 1 second of care or compassion for anyone besides herself?

My god, I hope LE doesn't fumble this one...
 
No. I believe that KC is a sociopath. Unless you have had the pleasure, as I have, or living with a sociopath, it is hard to imagine that it is possible for someone to be so cold, much less understand how the brain of a sociopath works.

Five seconds after she was told (if it even took 5 whole seconds) about her father she had already dismissed it as having not happened at all, (and if she accepts that it happened, it certainly didn't happen because of anything that SHE did), and was back to focusing on HERSELF. In the mind of a sociopath they only care about Me, Me, Me! Everything they do, every nice gesture is all because it will benefit them in some way.

She proved she could care less what they are going through in the "lost" tape. Cindy tells KC they are all doing bad and Lee is sick. No reaction from KC. Cindy tell them about the hate mail. Did you hear an apology? No! We got to hear about how her mail has all been supportive. Her daughter died, whether it be a cold, calculated premeditated murder, or a terrible accident that she covered up she tossed her out like garbage in the woods and the dirt and went on to party. In none of those pics did she look the least bit upset. Even Cindy claimed that the pics were for work...this does not help KC in my opinion if it were true which I don't believe it was. I don't know if Cindy has gone back to work but I know she took off for at least a while after she found out Caylee was "missing". If my daughter were missing, I wouldn't be at work. I'd probably be in the room next to George...even if I wasn't the cause of the tragedy. KC cares for NO ONE but KC.
 
If Casey Anthony pleads these charges --
life as it is now known will end for the public
and the media following the events of this case.
:40__s:
 
Like she really cares about him. If anything I could see her throwing him under the bus claiming, "Look he is unstable, maybe he did it!".
 
I think KC's initial reaction to hearing of GA's suicide attempt will be anxiety - is he not going to "stick together" on everything now?

Then I think KC will really be "the angriest" she's been since the time of her arrest. I believe she will be screaming in her head: "That f&*#%$^ idot! This isn't about him!"

But as to whether or not she tries to pin anything on her own father, imo, depends largely on how confident she is led to believe she can get away with it. It's certainly not beneath her.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
KC plead :) Well, it's possible, but I'd say, 'bout the same odds that the sun will not come up tomorrow.
 
I wish it would, but I don't believe it will. GA committing suicide doesn't affect her. She doesn't care about anyone but herself. I mean, her own daughter died and she didn't feel the need to stop partying or having sex, so why would the death of her father, who she supposedly fought with quite a bit, have any other sort of affect? If anything, I think it may be part of her plan to torture the whole family. I would love to know what her reaction to the news of his attempt was, though. I think the fact that it is being kept private is telling. If she was heartbroken over it, or worried, or experienced any other sort of "normal" reaction, I would think the defense would want that out there so that they could show that she is human and has a soul and maybe she is incapable of killing her own daughter. Right now, that isn't what most people are seeing. Just a cold, heartless, spiteful b$%ch.
 
Casey's defense team will take this case all the way. With any kind of a deal, they would lose out on their paid ultra high profile status they are now enjoying by defending her, imo. I don't think Casey will ever tell the truth so the defense team really has nothing to worry about.

Casey's "fan club" will come to her aid to put money on the books for her, if Cindy or Lee do not donate to the Casey's Going To Have What Casey Wants Fund. I bet she relates it to shopping at Target...minus the beer and the sunglasses.
 
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