Will the real TH please stand up?

[stmarysmead]

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It tells me she drove drunk with her child in the car.

Many things I would do if only MY life and limb were at stake, I would NEVER (and I mean NEVER) do if it put anyone else in danger, much less my child. But I'll go farther...driving drunk puts everyone on the ROAD in danger. No slack, sorry.

Congratulations on your sobriety when driving. Having worked in the field of addiction, it's rare to find anyone who hasn't had a couple drinks and than get in their car for the ride home. Many successful people find sobriety in AA but most have several DUI's in their past.

Congrats again. moo mho

Just to be clear...I am a firm supporter of MADD and although I have never been a member of AA,had a drinking problem, or had a DUI, I certainly have seen the effects of alcohol abuse in the lives of others.

If it is "rare" not to drive drunk, I am lucky to know many "rare" people...who take the dangers of drunk driving very seriously.

That said....I admire anyone who deals with a drinking problem successfully...but I will never condone the recklessness of driving under the influence. It is the casual toleration of that behavior that has led to many, many tragedies. See one Mother bent over a coffin in utter despair and believe me, it helps you know why it's important to control your own behavior.

 

[stmarysmead]

The greatest difficulty I have with who is TH really, is the photos of Kyron.

I really try not to view them very often as they really upset me, but I spent some time last night looking over photos.

What I see is that Kyron loved Terri. I can see it in his eyes, he doesn't look afraid of her in the least, he looks very happy. To me the eyes don't lie. Especially the eyes of a child.
There are so many photos of Kyron , many taken by TH.

This is really one of the main things that keep me leaning on the side of she couldn't have done anything to Kyron.

If she did do something, I can tell you now, I will feel devastated totally, because his eyes are so loving and trusting.

Sad to say, but volunteer in a hospital...you will see battered and abused children, their little arms reaching out for the ones that beat them. Such is the innocence and needful love of a child. They just come to know nothing better.

 

[Mylou]

Sad to say, but volunteer in a hospital...you will see battered and abused children, their little arms reaching out for the ones that beat them. Such is the innocence and needful love of a child. They just come to know nothing better.

That is very sad.

I have not seen any signs or read anything to state that Kyron had been abused though ?

 

[Scamperoo]

Being a bad driver,CAN make someone guilty of reckless homicide,or worse,definately a liability.IMO a disregard for traffic laws,while it may be rampant,is endangering the lives of others,irresponsible,and dangerous! JMOO.Reckless behavior takes a certain mind set,in my opinion and concern for the welfare of others is not one of them!!!!

I presume this means you have never exceeded the speed limit by even one mile per hour nor perpetrated a California rolling stop, gassed it a little to get across before the light turned red, not made a complete stop on a right hand turn ad infinitum...
I am in awe of your lawfulness:angel:

 

[eyes4crime]

Just to be clear...I am a firm supporter of MADD and although I have never been a member of AA,had a drinking problem, or had a DUI, I certainly have seen the effects of alcohol abuse in the lives of others.

If it is "rare" not to drive drunk, I am lucky to know many "rare" people...who take the dangers of drunk driving very seriously.

That said....I admire anyone who deals with a drinking problem successfully...but I will never condone the recklessness of driving under the influence. It is the casual toleration of that behavior that has led to many, many tragedies. See one Mother bent over a coffin in utter despair and believe me, it helps you know why it's important to control your own behavior.

I was congratulating you on your successful sobriety when driving...not many people can make claim to never having had a couple drinks and putting the keys in the ignition. What does MADD have to do with my congratulating you?

I know many people who haven't combined a drink with driving in the past 10 years or so, but they did 20-30 years ago. So again, in my life, people like you are rare. That includes my personal and professional life - Please accept my 'congratulatory thank you' without reading something nefarious into it. Have a good day. moo hoo

 

[stmarysmead]

That is very sad.

I have not seen any signs or read anything to state that Kyron had been abused though ?

I understand. My point is that the innocent love of a child is not proof of a healthy relationship. The loving eyes of a child therefore cannot tell us Terri is innocent or incapable of hurting Kyron. We cannot look at pictures of him and assume that the love in his eyes meant all was well...just as we cannot use pictures of Caylee to pronounce her Mother not guilty.

Children just love. They love even monsters that beat them. They love monsters that sexually abuse them. They love parents who verbally abuse them. They love parents who might be planning to kill them or sell them or make them disappear. They just love who they have...and at a young age, know nothing better.

I was not saying Kyron was abused..only the happy pictures of him with Terri are not reliable in proving she could not have done something to him.


You said..

"This is really one of the main things that keep me leaning on the side of she couldn't have done anything to Kyron."

One time ...see little arms reaching out for the parent that beat them...you'll not be able to allow a child's love to absolve anyone of anything.

Again, I am not saying Kyron was abused...only that his love proves nothing about Terri.

 

[Mylou]

I understand. My point is that the innocent love of a child is not proof of a healthy relationship. The loving eyes of a child therefore cannot tell us Terri is innocent or incapable of hurting Kyron. We cannot look at pictures of him and assume that the love in his eyes meant all was well...just as we cannot use pictures of Caylee to prounce her Mother not guilty.

Children just love. They love even monsters that beat them. They love monsters that sexually abuse them. They love parents who verbally abuse them. They love parents who might be planning to kill them or sell them or make them disappear. They just love who they have...and at a young age, know nothing better.

I was not saying Kyron was abused..only the happy pictures of him with Terri are not reliable in proving she could not have done something to him.


You said..

"This is really one of the main things that keep me leaning on the side of she couldn't have done anything to Kyron."

One time ...see little arms reaching out for the parent that beat them...you'll not be able to allow a child's love to absolve anyone of anything.

Again, I am not saying Kyron was abused...only that his love proves nothing about Terri.

Thank you for your input and patience.
I only know from my own experience in life, and I wasn't beaten, but lived with a rageaholic, strict alcholic mother, and I can tell you I never smiled in photos. The rare ones are school, and at Grandma's house.

 

[stmarysmead]

I was congratulating you on your successful sobriety when driving...not many people can make claim to never having had a couple drinks and putting the keys in the ignition. What does MADD have to do with my congratulating you?

I know many people who haven't combined a drink with driving in the past 10 years or so, but they did 20-30 years ago. So again, in my life, people like you are rare. That includes my personal and professional life - Please accept my 'congratulatory thank you' without reading something nefarious into it. Have a good day. moo hoo

I think MADD has a great deal to do with the subject of drunk driving, don't you? It has a marvelous track record of changing societal views about driving drunk. Terri's drunkenness behind the wheel with her child in the car...is no longer something that most people shrug off.

I do not consider myself "successful." That implies it takes talent or great effort to be responsible in the way we use the combination of alcohol, drugs and motor vehicles. I don't believe that. It's as easy as not stealing from a friend's handbag. It just would not occur to many people...after decades of campaigns like Friends Don't Let Friends Drive Drunk....and Designated Drivers...and lawsuits against parents who serve minors.

We don't congratulate people for what should be normal responsible behavior. It's expected. It's what should be.

I find nothing "nefarious" in your post...but I certainly do in driving drunk.

 

[grandmaj]

This post lands at random.

Stop personalizing posts please. If you are using the word "you" and addressing the poster and not the post you are personalizing your posts.

Talk about the post and don't confront the poster. Thanks.

 

[stmarysmead]

Thank you for your input and patience.
I only know from my own experience in life, and I wasn't beaten, but lived with a rageaholic, strict alcholic mother, and I can tell you I never smiled in photos. The rare ones are school, and at Grandma's house.

I am so sorry to hear that. I hope you have been blessed with much happiness since then.

Actually, it tears me up to think of a child loving and not being loved in return.

 

[Billylee]

Desiree teared up as she spoke about her plans for Kyron when he returns. "When he comes home, we're not letting him leave the house ever again," she joked. She said they've had vacations planned, and will continue to go camping and fishing.

"We'll make sure he's happy each and every day, just as before this happened," she said.



http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story_2nd.php?story_id=127801810508928600




Where is there anything that says Kyron was abused by anyone? The above quote by Desiree confirms that even she believes the little guy smiling in all those pictures was happy.

 

[scandi]

Where is there anything that says Kyron was abused by anyone? The above quote by Desiree confirms that even she believes the little guy smiling in all those pictures was happy.

It is kind of odd and think she says different things.

She also said 'Kyron saw everything - he was there'. It implies something negative in my mind and wonder what the heck she really meant !!!

 

[Billylee]

Here's another quote that's really weird to me.

"We're hoping he sees this and knows where we are," Kaine Horman said. "And hopefully he can't wait to come back to doing this with us."

When I first read that, I was like, why wouldn't Kyron know where you are? and then I thought well, maybe he just means he hopes Kyron can see they are at Bullwinkles. But the next part, Why is KH "hoping" that Kyron can't wait to come back. Why WOULDN"T Kyron be glad to come back? IDK, just another odd statement to me.


http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...honor-sorely-missed-at-his-8th-birthday-party

 

[pufnstuf]

Still and again, it appears her DUI and the subsequent charge of endangerment showed her that she needed to be much more mindful and has never had this problem again.

...until five years later, when a child under her charge went missing.

 

[pufnstuf]

Copied from stmarymead's post:

**respectfully snipped**
It tells me she drove drunk with her child in the car.

Many things I would do if only MY life and limb were at stake, I would NEVER (and I mean NEVER) do if it put anyone else in danger, much less my child. But I'll go farther...driving drunk puts everyone on the ROAD in danger. No slack, sorry.

Congratulations on your sobriety when driving. Having worked in the field of addiction, it's rare to find anyone who hasn't had a couple drinks and than get in their car for the ride home. Many successful people find sobriety in AA but most have several DUI's in their past.

Congrats again. moo mho

Why congratulate someone on doing what the law requires?

Stmarysmead stated that she's never driven while drinking. There are a lot of people who can assert that, including myself. I've never driven while drinking. It's really not that uncommon.

Most people would never drive while impaired, and certainly not with a child in the car.

Not that it matters what we do, as individual anonymous posters at WS. What does matter is that Terri DID drive drunk--not just drunk but HAMMERED--with her minor son in the car. Bad judgment. Reckless. Selfish. No other rational way to look at it.

 

[miabellamoure]

Why congratulate someone on doing what the law requires?

Stmarysmead stated that she's never driven while drinking. There are a lot of people who can assert that, including myself. I've never driven while drinking. It's really not that uncommon.

Most people would never drive while impaired, and certainly not with a child in the car.

Not that it matters what we do, as individual anonymous posters at WS. What does matter is that Terri DID drive drunk--not just drunk but HAMMERED--with her minor son in the car. Bad judgment. Reckless. Selfish. No other rational way to look at it.

Not only that (driving under the influence with her child in the vehicle) but, where was this child while she was getting hammered...with her????

 

[pufnstuf]

Not only that (driving under the influence with her child in the vehicle) but, where was this child while she was getting hammered...with her????

Good question! That should go in the "I wonder" thread.

 

[mmmagique]

Thank you for that post it is a good reminder when I want to :banghead: when people defend Terri. I think she is guilty and IMO she's pretty unstable woman if her past acts are taken into account. But this case is weird, could be that Terri brought someone into contact with Kyron through a kinky lifestyle IDK,

Not that I would know...:angel: but being involved in a kinky lifestyle does not necessarily transfer into bringing in a criminal element into your life.

I know you weren't sayinging that at all, but I've seen some things here and a couple other places recently that seem to imply that.

 

[gwenabob]

Copied from stmarymead's post:

**respectfully snipped**
It tells me she drove drunk with her child in the car.

Many things I would do if only MY life and limb were at stake, I would NEVER (and I mean NEVER) do if it put anyone else in danger, much less my child. But I'll go farther...driving drunk puts everyone on the ROAD in danger. No slack, sorry.

Congratulations on your sobriety when driving. Having worked in the field of addiction, it's rare to find anyone who hasn't had a couple drinks and than get in their car for the ride home. Many successful people find sobriety in AA but most have several DUI's in their past.

Congrats again. moo mho

I have never driven after drinking. Never.
Neither has my mother, my step father, my husband, my daughter, my son, my brothers, my sister, etc.

I disagree that "it's rare to find anyone who hasn't had a couple drinks and than (sic) get in their car for the ride home." I think people who are responsible drivers are actually quite common.

Also, I wonder about the use of the word "sobriety" in the first sentence of the response to stmarysmead. Is there an implication that the OP has a present or previous addiction issue? Because that is sort of how it sounds. I never drink or use illicit drugs, but I would never characterize myself as being in a state of sobriety.

 

[mmmagique]

With great respect, what circumstantial evidence is there? We have yet to see evidence of any substance and the circumstantial evidence so far goes to support Terri. She was not the last person to see Kyron, at 9pm when the last sighting of him was supposedly reported, according to LE, she was in Fred Myer's store 7 miles away from the school. The receipt clearly shows her going through the line at 9:12 am, she couldn't have been at school at 9am. As far as I know the MFH plot has never been proven even by the most lax of evidential requirements, in fact LE on taking this landscapers word for it was made to look sheepish by having their #1 suspect call...911 on them. The rest is innuendo, her choice of lifestyle and the need to lay blame due to the horrible nature of the crime. I can't say she didn't do it I am as open to her being guilty as anyone else but the evidence so far circumstantial or otherwise just isn't there...yet.

At 9:12 (am) she claims to have a receipt from Fred Meyers. I've yet to see LE confirm this. (I'd love a link)

I believe there is a lot more circumstancial evidence and not just innuendo, etc. but I don't have time to go over it right this second...someone is physically pulling me awa...