Will the real TH please stand up?

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The only risk a parent would take by not sending their child to school would be that he or she might be called before a judge to account for the reason for the absence. This is with UNEXCUSED absences--which usually mean that the parent doesn't even bother to call the school and let the school know that little Johnny won't be there today, tomorrow, or next week. Even under those circumstances, a parent doesn't risk parental rights.

NO parent would lose parental rights in a situation where the child is ill. I'd like to see proof of one case in which that has happened.

And wondering1, I'm very sorry about your child and hope that he/she recuperates fully, completely, and permanently.
 
what???? no way. If you have a medical excuse the kid gets held back -- worse case scenario. Yeah, my kid is on chemo and can't make school so I'm risking my parental rights???? what in the heck are you saying????

Oh i am sad that your child has to go through chemo.((((( )))) & Prayers.
 
The only risk a parent would take by not sending their child to school would be that he or she might be called before a judge to account for the reason for the absence. This is with UNEXCUSED absences--which usually mean that the parent doesn't even bother to call the school and let the school know that little Johnny won't be there today, tomorrow, or next week. Even under those circumstances, a parent doesn't risk parental rights.

NO parent would lose parental rights in a situation where the child is ill. I'd like to see proof of one case in which that has happened.

And wondering1, I'm very sorry about your child and hope that he/she recuperates fully, completely, and permanently.

omg...no, no, no. I should have put that part in quotes. It was a hypothetical. Thank merciful heaven that my children are completely healthy -- even though they have occasional unexcused absences. I am SO sorry that I messed up like that. Y'all are wonderful, kind people and I never meant to play on sympathies like that...omg...did I say I'm sorry!!!!!
 
Wondering1, Oh well i am glad that your children are healthy, LOL i didn't realise it was a hypothetical, but yes, of corse a child would have to be absent for a while under those circumstances.
 
omg...no, no, no. I should have put that part in quotes. It was a hypothetical. Thank merciful heaven that my children are completely healthy -- even though they have occasional unexcused absences. I am SO sorry that I messed up like that. Y'all are wonderful, kind people and I never meant to play on sympathies like that...omg...did I say I'm sorry!!!!!

Oh! Thank god!!

So glad that you don't have a child in that awful situation. But many people do, and they don't lose parental rights, because the court is sensible enough to know that a child receiving medical care takes priority over school attendance.
 
I tend to think that Terri knew about Desiree and her pregnancy because it was reported that she had been in Kyron's life since he was three days old and IMO Kaine might have had a hard time explaining why there suddenly was a newborn by a woman he was married to if he'd played single up until that.

If he did that, any reasonable woman with any self-respect would have kicked such a dishonest "unusual man" to the curb ASAP instead of becoming his free nanny.

Nine traffic offenses seem quite a lot to me. I have never even had a ticket. That is not to say that I never have broken any rules but I just never got caught. Which tells me that Terri probably broke the rules more times than she got caught as well.

Here's another quote that's really weird to me.

"We're hoping he sees this and knows where we are," Kaine Horman said. "And hopefully he can't wait to come back to doing this with us."

When I first read that, I was like, why wouldn't Kyron know where you are? and then I thought well, maybe he just means he hopes Kyron can see they are at Bullwinkles. But the next part, Why is KH "hoping" that Kyron can't wait to come back. Why WOULDN"T Kyron be glad to come back? IDK, just another odd statement to me.


http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...honor-sorely-missed-at-his-8th-birthday-party

I just thought that the other alternative that Kaine couldn't quite bring himself to mention is Kyron being dead and not able to see, know or look forward to anything any more.
 
Even if your child is ill, both parents and school districts are mandated to provide an education to the child. This can be done through homeschooling, but it must be done. Will you lose your parental rights if your child isn't in school for a couple days..no, of course! there are legal steps that must be taken before that happens.

My original statement, was in response to keeping a child out of school because he may be having seizures. This is a great idea...as long as your child is still educated. You can't just go about it flippantly.

Failure to educate a child is called neglect. There are special education teachers that work specifically with homebound and hospitalized children.

"Neglect is the failure of a parent, guardian, or other caregiver to provide for a child's basic needs.
Neglect may be:

Physical (e.g., failure to provide necessary food or shelter, or lack of appropriate supervision)
Medical (e.g., failure to provide necessary medical or mental health treatment)3
Educational (e.g., failure to educate a child or attend to special education needs)
Emotional (e.g., inattention to a child's emotional needs, failure to provide psychological care, or permitting the child to use alcohol or other drugs)"
http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/whatiscan.cfm

"Considerably fewer special education teachers work in residential facilities or tutor students in homebound or hospital environments."
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos070.htm[/url
 
Perhaps I should try this angle. Put yourself in Kaine's and Desiree's place. Kyron is your child.
Your current spouse was the last person to see your child.
Your current spouse has the school call the bio parent to tell them the child is missing - instead of telling them yourself.
You find out that your current spouse didn't fare so well on some of the LD tests.
You find out that your current spouse has talked to others about how 'they suspect me' or 'I failed the LD test!'.
You see your spouse acting unusual while the rest of the family is working diligently on flyers and doing everything they can to cooperate with authorities to find your child.
Your spouse refuses further LD tests.
Your spouse will not answer questions for LE or tell where they were or what they were doing on the day your child disappeared.
Your spouse shows no concern for your child's whereabouts.
Furthermore, your spouse has packed up a box of your child's things and gotten rid of them. Rearranged things in your child's bedroom.
You find out that your spouse tried to hire someone to kill you.
... just to name a few

Are you telling me you would want LE to give you more 'facts' as you continue to lie in the same bed with this person night after night - afterall, there are no 'facts' to support they were directly tied to your missing child?

bbm

I've never read about this happening...do you have a link?
 
what is the topic in here ?

:floorlaugh:

How I love those rhetorical questions!

I can't stand up and help you out JBean. I'm afraid I'm not TH.

Actually, I'm happy I'm not TH, but you know what I mean...
 
July 6, 2010
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-renewed-hope-missing-grader-alive/story?id=11094002

"Terri Horman denied the allegation when confronted by detectives, the newspaper reported, and she has not been charged, though the investigation is proceeding, the sources told The Oregonian."

Thank you for posting this as I had never read it and don't know if it's been discussed. It brought up two things I had not known (I'm sure you much more together WS'ers have already known and discussed this...)

I did NOT know that TH had been going on the KATU website under usernames to agree with supporters and argue with detractors as this article states. So while her stepson was missing and others were scrambling to find out why, apparently the real TH was busy reading about herself and posing as someone else on line to support herself.

I also did not know that the order KH got prohibited her from contact with her older son, J, as well as with baby K. This article discussed the GMA piece in which a former FBI special agent Garret was on and stated that there must have been something under the surface that is not known about to have this kind of order served i.e. a pattern of abuse.

Of course, he is not directly involved in the case so add your grain of salt or whatever but I assume they are using him as an expert in law enforcement and child endangerment issues.
 
Perhaps I should try this angle. Put yourself in Kaine's and Desiree's place. Kyron is your child.
Your current spouse was the last person to see your child.
Your current spouse has the school call the bio parent to tell them the child is missing - instead of telling them yourself.
You find out that your current spouse didn't fare so well on some of the LD tests.
You find out that your current spouse has talked to others about how 'they suspect me' or 'I failed the LD test!'.
You see your spouse acting unusual while the rest of the family is working diligently on flyers and doing everything they can to cooperate with authorities to find your child.
Your spouse refuses further LD tests.
Your spouse will not answer questions for LE or tell where they were or what they were doing on the day your child disappeared.
Your spouse shows no concern for your child's whereabouts.
Furthermore, your spouse has packed up a box of your child's things and gotten rid of them. Rearranged things in your child's bedroom.
You find out that your spouse tried to hire someone to kill you.
... just to name a few

Are you telling me you would want LE to give you more 'facts' as you continue to lie in the same bed with this person night after night - afterall, there are no 'facts' to support they were directly tied to your missing child?
Pretty much everything listed is speculation, or just wrong. But I'm curious about the bolded above. Where did that come from ????
 
The suspected perp would be moving out, not me and my children. Certainly I would want all the facts LE had so I could determine how to handle the situation. If they had absolute proof, the perp would be arrested...if it was questionable, the perp would be the one to move out until more information could be gathered. Pure speculation since I don't know for sure what I would do. Why would I be the one to move out? :waitasec: moo mho

re: your bolded statement... that's the law. She would have had just minutes to pack up essentials and get the heck out of the home.
 
The suspected perp DID move out. But it took the threat of a court hearing to make her move out--indeed, Terri finally agreed to leave just hours before the scheduled hearing, which was then canceled after She agreed to leave.

You can't just kick a resident of your home out, if they have established residence at your home. As they were both established residents of the house, Kaine would not have been able to make Terri move out without an eviction order, which he was in the process of getting when she agreed to move out.

Kaine left with Baby K when her learned of the MFH plot and when the pieces started coming together for him, mentally, that Terri just may be responsible for Kyron disappearing. I commend him for doing what it took to keep the baby safe and himself, as the baby's father, safe, EVEN IF it meant sucking it up and leaving HIS own home.

BBM

Wrong on all accounts.

http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA/cpsd/courtimprovement/familylaw/FAPA_Benchguide_4-24-06.pdf

III. RELIEF

A. Mandatory (Not Discretionary) Relief

The court must order the following relief if:
• A petitioner with an eligible relationship requests it;
and

• The court finds, at the hearing, that respondent abused petitioner within the
preceding 180 days; and

• petitioner is in imminent danger of further
abuse by respondent and that respondent
represents a credible threat to the physical
safety of petitioner or petitioner’s child.

[which the court did find as the RO was granted under this act]

3. Ouster

Require respondent to move from petitioner's residence
if:
a. the residence is solely in petitioner's name;
b. the parties jointly own or rent the residence; or
c. the parties are married to each other.


[fit the requirements here, too]

6. Police "Standby" for Essential Personal
Property

Order that a peace officer accompany the party moving from the residence when that party removes essential personal items (or property of
the children) from the residence.

a. Such items include clothing, diapers,
medications, social security cards, birth
certificates, and other identification.

b. The court’s only other authority to divide
property between the parties under FAPA is
the section authorizing “other relief the Court
considers necessary to provide for the safety
and welfare of the petitioner or children in
petitioner’s custody.”

c. The "standby" time is not required to exceed
20 minutes and usually does not in most
jurisdictions. A police "standby" is required
to be available on only one occasion.



IOW, all Kaine had to say in his petition for the RO is "I want her gone" and *poof* she would have been forced to leave. This is mandatory, NOT discretionary relief.

http://law.onecle.com/oregon/107-marital-dissolution-annulment-and-separation/107.718.html
 
On the contrary, a person's behavior and actions all go towards character. If this information wasn't prudent, we wouldn't have trials where people are called to testify on behalf of the accused, also known as 'character witnesses'.

to refresh your memory:


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Please show me where Terri has shown concern, remorse, shed real tears, worry, loss of sleep and so on, for Kyron's disappearance. Afterall, she raised him from just a few months, right? So if she really loved and cared for him, would she not be displaying these reactions? Or cooperating with authorities?

Its disturbing she would go to the gym to work out, pack up his things, rearrange his room, go about her life as if nothing out of the ordinary has occurred.
I can tell you that if my child went missing, the last thing I would be doing is sexting a high school friend of my husband's and sending lewd pictures to him via camera phone.
How does anyone condone her not only allowing MC to see the restraining order, but to photograph it - especially since it had disclosed Kaine's location, which MC looked up online to see where it was?
You don't find it worrisome that she had her friends to buy disposable cell phones so they could have 'private conversations' not detected by LE. OR that she went out the next day and purchased additional phones using the more than likely fictitious name her friends used?
Don't you find it rather cold and uncaring that she had the school notify Desiree that Kyron was missing, instead of telling her herself? All the while sitting in the office at the school while they called Desiree?

bbm

1.Kaine was with her. Is his behaviour disturbing?

2. Desiree said the school secretary told her they had to notify her because she was listed as Kyron's emergency contact. I've not read anything stating that Terri asked the secretary to make the call while she sat in the office. IMO (and what makes sense given the information about the 911 call and related statements by police) Kaine and Terri both were talking to police when they arrived at the school. And regardless, why wouldn't Kaine notify Desiree? Does that make him cold and uncaring? No. Because both were busy getting LE the information they needed on Kyron. (in fact, LE probably wanted to interview Terri over Kaine as she was the one to drop him off at school that morning)
 
I hadn't heard that either, but read somewhere Terri had repainted his room some really different color. Who knows if it is true.
I haven't read that. I doubt Kaine would have allowed it. He did say in his interview he was building shelves for items placed at the fence. Maybe that's what you heard about?
 
Calliope,

I read each of posts with respect and would truly like your thoughts here. Terri said Kyron had been acting strange for two weeks. She also stated that the school was very crowded. Putting those two components together leaves me asking why she would leave him unattended in such a hectic situation.

“The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures."

May I borrow your wonderfully analytical mind and ask which TMH left Kyron in the hall?

Where are you angel?
 
Calliope,

I read each of posts with respect and would truly like your thoughts here. Terri said Kyron had been acting strange for two weeks. She also stated that the school was very crowded. Putting those two components together leaves me asking why she would leave him unattended in such a hectic situation.

“The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures."

May I borrow your wonderfully analytical mind and ask which TMH left Kyron in the hall?

Where are you angel?

The type of seizures that were described wouldn't be dangerous in as much as he could certainly walk down the hall to his classroom.

I must have been a terrible mom. I allowed my kids to ride the bus and walk alone to their classes.
 
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