Willow and Bristol Palin post slurs and profanity on FB

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/18/stewart-palin-media-circus_n_785293.html


WATCH: Jon Stewart Takes On The Palin Family Media Circus


Link to Jon Stewarts video about WP and BP

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Bump. This means posts in the PP can not be discussed on this thread.

I did not realize my post #49 was in violation of this until Cubby's post #69.
It's too late for the to delete it.

 

[Gracenote]

I have relatives in a very small backward town and they throw the N word around like it's nothing. They even have a neighbor they call N-James to distinguish him from the "other" James. They do this to his face. I don't talk to them anymore, after years of trying and explaining and praying, they have no desire to change. Not sure what my point is, except maybe that there are some, especially teenagers, who are too unlearned to even know that their words are wrong. I don't think that teens, especially small town rural teens have any concept of the impact some words have. They need to be educated.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think they portray "normal teens" to the nation.

JMO

You call that normal?

It's unacceptable, wrong and needs to be labeled as such, not excused. There is no excuse.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

You call that normal?

It's unacceptable, wrong and needs to be labeled as such, not excused. There is no excuse.

If you will keep reading my posts after the one you quoted, you will see why I said that.

 

[Cubby]

Doesn't it floor you that something seemingly harmless you even call yourself comes out of your child's mouth and then it hits ya like a ton of bricks? Had that happen with DD in second grade with a term my dad referred to himself as.

BTW, Gentleman friend is Polish and he does that too Cubby all the time. Thank goodness he doesn't have kids. His entire family does it.

Geoge Carlin compared to some of the old timers had nothing on them. I referr back to my previous post. In all actuality it's a good learning lesson and everyone can come out of it a bit wiser.

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask the question but people from certain generations will tell you we're all too PC and that it toughens you up to be called or referred to in a certain way. Does it toughen you up? I say no. I guess I'd have to ask somebody who is now 78 years old or so "Did you mind being called One Eyed Camel growing up? Why did you refer to yourself with the name your "buddies" gave you?"

My dad is still in his 60's. Hanging on by a thread but still in his sixties. He and his folks taught me... Back in the day you best not let a neighbor tell your folks what you did.. and that was worse than coming home after the street lights went on.

I was well into my mid 20's when I first learnt of some old European racial slurs... and boy was I smacked for even speaking that to only the class of 70's when I was class of 80's.... You got smacked, and learnt..


I remember that being toughened up Filly, but I also remember horrible things that I can not comment about here.- one I will share my giant nose looked like the landings for Ohare.... and how it took me 20 plus years to think of a come back about how I might fit in with that nose. Let alone all the other ugly words I heard as a teen.

If bullying is not nipped in grade school - JMO and I think some of us are really harping on our young prek through 3rd to instill the bullying and drugs are NOT kewl!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Very common (offensive) slang.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/magazine/27out-t.html?pagewanted=5&_r=1

By far the most common usage of the word “gay” in middle schools is in the expression “that’s so gay,” a popular adolescent phrase that means that something is dumb or lame. The phrase has become so ubiquitous in the culture of the average middle school that even friends of gay students sometimes use it

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Wow, I didn't realize Katty Perry has a song called "UR So Gay".
Lyrics are beyond crazy BTW.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_So_Gay[/ame]

 

[believe09]

I am intrigued...if we collectively seem to agree that these are homophobic slurs, why the need to continue to document areas where the slang is used in current culture?

It is tough for any thinking teen or adult to justify saying it-sure they sling it, but when they are asked to stop and think about it, well it is really impossible to justify.

In my parents day they used the n word to describe blacks. It was slang back then too. ETA: it is all about evolution.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I am intrigued...if we collectively seem to agree that these are homophobic slurs, why the need to continue to document areas where the slang is used in current culture?

It is tough for any thinking teen or adult to justify saying it-sure they sling it, but when they are asked to stop and think about it, well it is really impossible to justify.

In my parents day they used the n word to describe blacks. It was slang back then too. ETA: it is all about evolution.

Sorry, It's how I learn. I research a topic then provide what I find by links.
I not only documented areas where the slang is used in current cultures, I also provided links to PSAs against it and other info.

The N word is still used everyday as slang. It's wrong too.

I'm have not been trying to make excuses for what WP said, but I have tried to point out how common it is in case those who are not around teens do not know. I am around a lot of teens and when I hear it, my skin crawls. But, I can promise it's on a lot of teens FB pages.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

"Think that's mean? How do you think 'that's so gay' sounds? Hurtful. So knock it off."

http://www.thinkb4youspeak.com/DownloadandShare/

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK. It's not hard. (Just because something is "common" today, doesn't make it right. And definitely doesn't excuse it.)

 

[tlcya]

I love ya kimberly but I gotta say, just because it is common doesn't make it not worth getting frustrated about or trying to change. I don't care what teens were having this exchange, I would find it shameful. Add the fact that because of their mother's public status in a rather serious arena, and Bristol trying to win a show (DWTS) and build a career somehow in the public eye, I am frankly shocked that these particular girls dont know better.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I agree. But we are talking about a 16 year old CHILD here. Just because she is the daughter of a public figure does not make her less of a child.

What she did was wrong, I never said it wasn't.

Like I've said over and over... I was just trying to point out for those WHO ARE NOT around teens much, how common it is.

I never said it was right. But coming down on WP, a 16 year old child, for something that A LOT of teens do, just because her mother is a political figure (or any other celebrity figure) is just plain wrong IMO.

So now there is a web of ADULTS coming down on a 16 year old and her family. I just think a 16 year olds FB page should be off limits to the media.

I think many would be shocked at what their kids say when they are not listening.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I agree. But we are talking about a 16 year old CHILD here. Just because she is the daughter of a public figure does not make her less of a child.

What she did was wrong, I never said it wasn't.

Like I've said over and over... I was just trying to point out for those WHO ARE NOT around teens much, how common it is.

I never said it was right. But coming down on WP, a 16 year old child, for something that A LOT of teens do, just because her mother is a political figure (or any other celebrity figure) is just plain wrong IMO.

So now there is a web of ADULTS coming down on a 16 year old and her family. I just think a 16 year olds FB page should be off limits to the media.

I think many would be shocked at what their kids say when they are not listening.

FWIW, I'm around teens every day. For hours and hours each day. I "come down on them" for saying things like this too. I work with athletes, so the first poster I just posted above is hanging in my room at the school. That language is not acceptable. No matter who your mother is.

I don't think anyone *here* is coming down on her because her mother is a political figure. The media picked up on it for that reason, yes. But if this was a news story about *any* child saying this on their facebook page, my reaction would be exactly the same.

 

[tlcya]

I am not coming down per se on her and her family. Just saying, no matter my thoughts on Mrs Palin's job or views or whatever, I can feel myself in her shoes on THIS matter. I will say it again,

there would be he77 to pay at my house if I were her right now. First of all I expect my kids to know how to comport themselves in public. These FB walls were public.

Quite frankly, I am shocked these girls are not more security conscious etc with all this FB posting. This wall was open for all to see! TMZ (celebu-stalkers) found this and broke the story. What if a person who wanted to do them real harm found it and somehow used their FB accounts to hack into their lives and caused real harm to someone??

I would be livid, and rightfully so if I was these young ladies mother.

I think my kids will not be allowed to FB til they are 18

 

[Kimberlyd125]

TMZ "found" it or it was sold to them? Have they said how they got it. I looked but I must have missed it.

 

[tlcya]

TMZ "found" it or it was sold to them? Have they said how they got it. I looked but I must have missed it.

Either way, as a mother, I am mortified at the security risk these girls place unnecessarily on themselves by this FB activity

If it was sold to TMZ then it speaks to the kindof friends these girls are making. The mother in me is, embarrassed for them, by their behavior/comments and scared by their lack of good judgment.

That is just me.

again. I think my kids don't need FB. I do not want to be worrying about this garbage when they are teens.

 

[hoppyfrog]

For those who think "gay" is a harmless adjective , please read this:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...1/16/simonson/

For gay teens who have considered suicide

November 16, 2010

By Sean Simonson

I have considered suicide. Yes, I have considered taking my own life. Unlike six other boys recently in the news, I never took the steps to follow through on my dark thoughts, but, unfortunately, I can understand what drove them to. Because I know what it's like to be a gay teenager.

Imagine going through adolescence: hormones raging, body changing, and relationships that go a little deeper than friendship developing. Now, add on being gay.

Don't believe being different is difficult? Try going through a day in the life of a gay teen.

Every day you hear someone use your sexuality -- a part of you that, no matter how desperately you try, you cannot change -- as a negative adjective. That hurts.

You fear looking the wrong way in the locker room and offending someone. Politicians are allowed to debate your right to marry the person you love or your right to be protected from hate crimes under the law. Your faith preaches your exclusion -- or damnation. And no one does anything to stop it.

more at link

 

[Dark Knight]

I like this comment below the article on Bristol's apology:

"A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared stimulus. When the fear is beyond one's control, and if the fear is interfering with daily life, then a diagnosis under one of the anxiety disorders can be made.[1]
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learn the definition of phobia before calling everyone who uses the word a homophobe..do we can people who use the N word blackophobes??"


I was probably more appalled at Willow saying people were just jealous because they were rich and successful and they were all losers. And was surprised that such a "conservative" mom would have such a potty mouthed daughter. They have sort of thin skin when it comes to criticism, too. They just said they didn't like the show. Geez, lol.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Nevermind...I found it.