WKMG - Homicide Charges Shortly, Grand Jury next week **MERGED THREADS** #2

[weasel]

<<The time for Casey to come clean has come and gone>>

Unfortunately, I think you may be right. Actually, I don't think there will ever be a confession. In my opinion, that's what the whole "kidnapping" story is about. In case a body ever was found, there would be someone else to blame it on.

 

[TxLady2]

Not necessarily. The defense will create that reasonable doubt on the basis that there is no body (YET). They will carry on with the lie that Caylee was sold to someone who ran off to Puerto Rico or whatever the most current fabrication is at that particular moment. If there is even a SHRED of reasonable doubt in a juror's mind, they cannot vote guilty...

Our only hope for a slam dunk case is that Casey confesses and leads LE to Caylee's body or LE just happens to find Caylee before or during the trial. Highly unlikely, I know, but stranger things have happened...

Well, yes... he will TRY to create reasonable doubt.. but if they can prove that it was Caylee's dead body in that trunk, and prove premeditation by the search for chloroform... and given her apparent non-concern about her missing daughter and that she didn't even report it for a month... I don't think there will be sufficient reasonable doubt for ANY jury. There is, IMO, enough circumstantial evidence to support motive, means and opportunity. There is very little to support a theory that Caylee was kidnapped or sold other than Casey's lies. It may not be a slam dunk.... but pretty darn close.

 

[yolorado]

Casey is also in the same bad position as the little boy who cried "wolf", she has lied so often, that nobody will believe any story she tells now, even if it would happen to be the truth.

If the truth could have helped her, she would have told it a long time ago.
:liar::croc::rubberducky::rubberducky:opcorn:

 

[Samijeansg]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-indict0908oct09,0,4921109.story


Yeah, and those names should fit on a postage stamp.
Easy.
Big writing.
Room left over.

LMAO! That was great!!!!!!!!:clap:

 

[MrBosox78]

Not quoting anyone but in response to a few above..

What is stated so far by the soon to be defense are fabrications, and that only. There is not a reasonable person that could put themselves in that position (if all the evidence being leeked, etc. is accurate) that can say they would do the same as KC. Or that is something that a reasonable person would do.

The Burden of Proof will not be to hard IMO. Remember, it's not just doubt it's REASONABLE DOUBT.

And let's not get into what reasonable and normal are, or even what "is" is. lol

 

[Blink34]

The question was asked on the other thread regarding whether Casey would have to admit guilt to accept a plea bargain. YES, she would, to some extent. A plea bargain is merely offered as a means to get a conviction, even with a lesser charge, such as manslaughter or negligent homicide... but she would have to openly admit to some responsibilty related to the actual death.. she could not then plea innocent just to avoid prosecution at all, or to avoid the death penalty. My guess is that they will only offer her a Life sentence rather than the DP, if she admits to guilt of some degree. She cannot accept the plea bargain UNLESS she admits guilt... it's simple. And ultimately the decision is hers, not her attorney's. The defense can ASK for a plea bargain but he cannot demand it. Only the state's attorney can offer it, and... sometimes they don't.

To add to TX very accurate post, assuming all the above transpires, the decision to accept the plea ultimately falls on the shoulders of Judge Strickland. There are a variety of potential circumstances where he can reject said plea/ offer. ALthough, I do not see that as a possibility here.

 

[SleuthinCa]

If they find the body before this goes before the GJ can they arrest her right away?

 

[Macushla]

He also wants the judge to order the state to turn over any evidence favorable to his client, such as names of people who might help establish Anthony's innocence and the names of any undercover agents in the case.

this line interests me, and I am sorry if it has already been brought up. does he mean undercover LE or people who may have been 'acting as agents for the police' as some people thought Lee was doing at one time. I wonder if he is trying to find out who, among her family and friends might be 'ratting out' Casey behind her back so to speak.

 

[sharpar]

Now's the time to prepare ourselves for the "confession"!

You know, the one where she says she killed Caylee accidentally and got scared and hid her body.

At this point, it's the only way she's going to get off. She's toast.

The globe today on my grocery stores newstand

says Casey Confesses - photo of her sobbing --- Breaking news ---------- didnt get a chance to browse it for once the line was too short -

Maybe someone else will later today

 

[Gin]

Well, yes... he will TRY to create reasonable doubt.. but if they can prove that it was Caylee's dead body in that trunk, and prove premeditation by the search for chloroform... and given her apparent non-concern about her missing daughter and that she didn't even report it for a month... I don't think there will be sufficient reasonable doubt for ANY jury. There is, IMO, enough circumstantial evidence to support motive, means and opportunity. There is very little to support a theory that Caylee was kidnapped or sold other than Casey's lies. It may not be a slam dunk.... but pretty darn close.

I suspect there isn't an attorney in the universe that could sufficiently explain why a "mother" wouldn't search or report a child missing within minutes or hours. There just isn't an innocent explanation...unless mom is comatose or worse...beyond that, you'd have to hunt far and wide to find a single potential juror who would understand and accept such disgustingly guilty behavior. I actually don't think such a person exists that would choose KC's choices over Caylee's life.

 

[Pollywog]

Even if she does "confess" will anyone actually believe the story she tells?

She is loving all the attention, no matter that it is all negative.

 

[future criminologist]

can someone answer this for me - does the concealment of a body up the charges? is it considered a separate charge? can she really be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide if she took active steps to conceal the body after?

 

[Samijeansg]

Even if she does "confess" will anyone actually believe the story she tells?

She is loving all the attention, no matter that it is all negative.

I don't think she will ever confess, I see her riding this gravy train as long as she possibly can. Even if she is convicted and goes to jail for the rest of her life, I see her taking what she knows to her grave. We will never get the truth out of that girl.

 

[weasel]

<<Well, yes... he will TRY to create reasonable doubt>>

Great post; and I agree. If they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Caylee's body was indeed in the trunk (through DNA evidence), then Ms. Anthony is in big trouble.

 

[Blink34]

can someone answer this for me - does the concealment of a body up the charges? is it considered a separate charge? can she really be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide if she took active steps to conceal the body after?

Seperate charge, not sure of FLA code, but in some states there are lesser included to that as well, ie: improper burial, etc.

 

[Gin]

I don't think she will ever confess, I see her riding this gravy train as long as she possibly can. Even if she is convicted and goes to jail for the rest of her life, I see her taking what she knows to her grave. We will never get the truth out of that girl.

Well, we'll get her truth. She does seem to have a nanny fixation. I predict, at trial, she'll pin the whole affair on Mary Poppins.

 

[Samijeansg]

Well, we'll get her truth. She does seem to have a nanny fixation. I predict, at trial, she'll pin the whole affair on Mary Poppins.

LMAO! So true Gin!

 

[TaylorJ4]

I just spent 4 months serving on a Grand Jury-only those with evidence to present will tetify before the Grand Jury, most likely detectives and police officers.

Casey and her attorney will have no part in this.

I would expect them to ask the Grand Jury to indict on any and all charges they have evidence to support-not sure about concealing a body but if they have evidence that she did, they will probably ask the Grand Jury to indict on this charge as well. The more charges they can get indictments on the better-that way if some charges are dismissed they have others to hold her on.

 

[weasel]

<<We will never get the truth out of that girl>>

I think you're right. She'll be like Scott Peterson. I don't think he will ever tell the truth about what happened either.

 

[yolorado]

The question was asked on the other thread regarding whether Casey would have to admit guilt to accept a plea bargain. YES, she would, to some extent. A plea bargain is merely offered as a means to get a conviction, even with a lesser charge, such as manslaughter or negligent homicide... but she would have to openly admit to some responsibilty related to the actual death.. she could not then plea innocent just to avoid prosecution at all, or to avoid the death penalty. My guess is that they will only offer her a Life sentence rather than the DP, if she admits to guilt of some degree. She cannot accept the plea bargain UNLESS she admits guilt... it's simple. And ultimately the decision is hers, not her attorney's. The defense can ASK for a plea bargain but he cannot demand it. Only the state's attorney can offer it, and... sometimes they don't.

I think they would offer one, but KC would have to come hat in hand and be willing to lead the cops to Caylee if she still has not been found. Then, they might cut her some slack, but at this point, after all the hulah she's caused, the path of destruction she's left, her continual dogged determination to lie and obstruct, it won't be much.

Frankly though, I don't know what the defense could possibly come up with that would end up with a better result for KC that a plea bargain. Some bombshell that 'when you hear why she didn't talk/understand what REALLY happened' defense was hinted at by Baez in the beginning and might be tried, but what jury will realistically cut her much of a break for ANYTHING horrible, scary or shocking at this point since baby is gone with possible evidence of decomposition and by all appearances, not only didn't she didn't care and/or co-operate in any way to find her, but she almost certainly caused Caylee's demise. Of course, there's insanity and, let's face, Girl's got big, big, gargantuan psychological/ personality issues, but legal insanity is almost impossible. It didn't even fly for Jeffrey Dahlmer. Who knows what will happen next but sounds like, finally, it will be time to hide and watch.
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