Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets II

  • #901
Yes, Boyzmum, Dr. Phil's people wanted to make sure it was the kids that got the money, and not Octomom. I remember that quite clearly.

I am not at all surprised she is losing the house. I feel sorry for the man to whom the house belongs. I'm sure she will have allowed her children to trash it on the inside.
 
  • #902
We already know she was implanted. She claims 6 were implanted and 2 split into twins, thus all the talk about her supposedly having 2 sets of identical twins.

JJenny she has lied, lied, lied and lied some more. She said she was implanted with 6 frozen :cold: ~ :cold: embryo's - this was a lie. :liar:

(To find out it was a lie, was not a surprise - as thawed :newbie: embryo's almost never split.) 70% of frozen - don't survive thawing. Those that do have a 20% to 30% chance of implanting. So out of 6 - frozen she would have been very lucky to get :baby: 1 baby (even Dr K's special methods can't change those odds) 8 would have been a certifiable miracle. :praying:

We know she used fresh, (from her medical records) :deal: it appears she may have used someone's leftover's :chicken: ~ :chicken: Those with blond hair and blue eyes would be the first two I would want to see the results from (out of nosiness) Somewhere I read that DNA tests said all were singletons.

Nutty claims she has had nothing done to her face, :bateyes: her mom said she came home one day with her lips :nyah: much bigger than they were when she left. Not to mention she has a baby who needs his own lip done! :shakehead: For a true medical need.

She claims her rocking new bod was a result of hard work! :treadmill: and good genes.... right.

Nutty claims her children :poke: are all just fine and dandy, yet she has :slap: violence among her children, going on right in front of her face that she never addresses or corrects. Including :genie: :whip2: what her out of control sons have done to her (on camera ).

Including last year saying she bought her house by herself. Now of course it is her daddy's fault, for not having the $$$ for the balloon payment. It's only a half mil - I'm sure he can scrape it up from somewhere!! :rolleyes:

Every time she speaks, :footinmouth: it is later found to be a lie. She needs to be :silenced:

 
  • #903
Dr Phil stepped aside. He removed the donate button for her after the Gloria stuff; and when she was moving. IIRC he didnt agree with her choice of houses but his people donated stuff like furniture & child proofing. Any money he collected was going in a trust

Thank you, I knew he stopped the flow of cash - for some reason I thought I remembered money going to something for the house, you are undoubtedly right. I prolly never heard what it went to just recall it was something.. It took a small fortune to get the type of repairs done as quickly as it happened. Most likely thanks to his "people."

"Johnny Gee"... ha ha, I'm laughing and sort of vomiting at the same time. Ewwww.

Yeah, it did the same to me... if I don't find something funny about her I will just bawl and bawl. Look at what those 8 babies went thru just to survive.

Those children deserve so much better. Thinking about all the people who want a baby and either can't afford the treatment or the treatment doesn't work - then knowing she has all those kids to be famous for something. Having nothing to do with loving her babies or even knowing them. I'm going to stop now because I don't want to cry about them right now.​

Originally Posted by Boyz_Mum; I can't believe the way this story has panned out. If Nadya had come forth with any sort of truths, would any of you 'feel' for her? I think I would. It just seems like the whole situation with her has ended up seeming like lies, so I'm less prone to feel for her. I'll never stop praying for the kids, I just think it's so sad that this goofy woman is the one they'll look up to... no matter what. (JMO and all that.)

I think you nailed it. I would think anyone who donated money to her thinking it was for the kids - and that "OOPs big surprise" - "I couldn't have planned this" (Lie) "I was all about wanting to have a family." (Lie) "I had those 6 frozen embryo's, they were my children...." (Lie) - you get the idea.

My logical thinking tells me she is a sick woman - but my eyes tell me she is dishonest and a grifter. Sick or not, she continues to lie about everything.
I can't help that I will not feel sorry or compassion for what she has done to herself. Had she been honest and I mean brutally honest - about her situation, because regardless of her conniving to get what she has, I don't think she realized what she was getting herself into. Yes, I think I would feel 100% different towards her.

I'm to the point I believe nothing that comes out of her mouth - but one thing she said, kind-a got me. "I thought people were going to love me." If I had to pick one thing out of the whole year of lies, I would be inclined to believe that. On the other hand she is such an accomplished liar, that just could be the reaction she was hoping for. Because everything else in that interview was her retelling her story, all the things that didn't work the first time around were given a new twist. So it is very possible that line was just another lie..

At the same time those children are innocents in that mess, I feel so bad for them.


Yes, Boyzmum, Dr. Phil's people wanted to make sure it was the kids that got the money, and not Octomom. I remember that quite clearly.

I am not at all surprised she is losing the house. I feel sorry for the man to whom the house belongs. I'm sure she will have allowed her children to trash it on the inside.

I don't think anyone is surprised. My next thing not to be surprised about will be the "adult movie" that she makes and then blames everyone who has been so negative about her 8 (14) babies and her needing to feed them because no one would help... And then there will be a story about body stockings, smoke and mirrors, body doubles and no "real act" taking place. Who are you going to believe Nutty or your own eyes? Not a prediction, but a possibility.

He's lucky - so far she has had paid help in that house since day one, it has been fairly well kept up because of the shows shot there. (unlike the mess she made of her mom's house - then blamed her mom because she was in the hospital) :rolleyes:

If some good Sam doesn't come by and bail her out, someone in LA will want that house, because she lived in it. Some people from So CA are very strange about things like that - living vicariously or "Almost Famous" as I used to call my sis-in-law, who worked for famous peeps. (Long before the movie of the same name) That "six degrees of separation" is alive and well in Los Angeles.


 
  • #904
Had to go back and reread because I;m not so sure what my memory is remembering correctly. lol

I was following it pretty closely back then; I know I posted about his show at the other board I went to back then. From memory he was shocked when she bought the house; I don't think he put any cash into it; donations IIRC went to help Angels In Waiting.

I remember Dr Phil, Gloria & Octo sitting at a table trying to work things out & I remember Dr Phil saying he was stepping aside. Once Gloria started reporting to him how uninvolved Octo was with the kids; he removed the donate button from his site then announced he was stepping back.

This is who donated what for the kids:
I'm sure those that donated are slapping themselves in the head right now.

Page 5 - Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

He also praises Shalena Smith from Ga Ga Designs for providing a new nursery for Nadya, and Aimee Phillips from Uptown Flooring and Design for providing all the carpets and flooring in Nadya's house. "I know you did it for the babies more than the mom. That doesn’t mean you support her decisions to have gone and gotten pregnant again," Dr. Phil says. "But you had the ability to look past the situation and keep your eye only on the babies. That’s so compassionate, and I really thank you guys for doing that."

Dr. Phil thanks Stan Whitaker of Whitaker General Contracting, who oversaw the general contracting of her home, and also Young America, who donated furniture for Nadya’s older children. Million Dollar Baby outfitted the nursery, and Higher America donated a brand-new convertible bottom drawer refrigerator for the octuplets.
 
  • #905
I don't think DNA tests were done on these children-at least I have never seen anything reported regarding it. Certainly would be interesting to know the results.
 
  • #906
Had to go back and reread because I;m not so sure what my memory is remembering correctly. lol

I was following it pretty closely back then; I know I posted about his show at the other board I went to back then. From memory he was shocked when she bought the house; I don't think he put any cash into it; donations IIRC went to help Angels In Waiting.

I remember Dr Phil, Gloria & Octo sitting at a table trying to work things out & I remember Dr Phil saying he was stepping aside. Once Gloria started reporting to him how uninvolved Octo was with the kids; he removed the donate button from his site then announced he was stepping back.

This is who donated what for the kids:
I'm sure those that donated are slapping themselves in the head right now.

Page 5 - Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

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Thank you for posting this, I am extremely hard of hearing, watching talk shows is a complete waste of time for me, even with CC I still miss most of what is said. Reading this was great, because I had watched this at the time it was first on and missed at least half of what went on.

Was this one of the times I remember some of his staff getting their hands slapped for "helping" someone in his name without his OK? I remember there was a girl in custody??? And I thought a second time, but it is all just muffled noise in, noise out - when it isn't something I can actually read. (or since I don't follow him maybe just saw a headline and nothing more.)

My computer had a fit this weekend and I wasn't able to post this when written, many thanks again, I understood why he stepped back at the time, but it was nice to read he had lots of professionals who weren't just looking for 15 minutes who looked into the situation too.
 
  • #907
LCoastMom said:


My logical thinking tells me she is a sick woman - but my eyes tell me she is dishonest and a grifter. Sick or not, she continues to lie about everything.
I can't help that I will not feel sorry or compassion for what she has done to herself. Had she been honest and I mean brutally honest - about her situation, because regardless of her conniving to get what she has, I don't think she realized what she was getting herself into. Yes, I think I would feel 100% different towards her.

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I think I would,too.But she continues to lie and defend the dr's actions,and it seems to be all about money to her.
If she'd gotten angry,I mean really ANGRY,at what the dr did to her and fessed up...like how many embryos did he *really implant...that there are no ID twins...etc..at least she would appear honest on that,and it might appear she cared about the babies..JMO.because you have to CARE to be angry..and that much she is lacking.
 
  • #908
I don't think DNA tests were done on these children-at least I have never seen anything reported regarding it. Certainly would be interesting to know the results.

I agree. I don't think DNA has been done & why should it? She's claiming they are her children. I guess if someone feels their own eggs (or sperm) were used & they had a good case; someone might request DNA.

As far as I know there is no reason to request DNA



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Thank you for posting this, I am extremely hard of hearing, watching talk shows is a complete waste of time for me, even with CC I still miss most of what is said. Reading this was great, because I had watched this at the time it was first on and missed at least half of what went on.

Was this one of the times I remember some of his staff getting their hands slapped for "helping" someone in his name without his OK? I remember there was a girl in custody??? And I thought a second time, but it is all just muffled noise in, noise out - when it isn't something I can actually read. (or since I don't follow him maybe just saw a headline and nothing more.)

My computer had a fit this weekend and I wasn't able to post this when written, many thanks again, I understood why he stepped back at the time, but it was nice to read he had lots of professionals who weren't just looking for 15 minutes who looked into the situation too.

No problem. I don't follow the show either but had watched back then just to see what his involvement would be. I was highly against his helping unless it did not benefit octo directly.

I just went to the message board I used to post at; I don't see that the post is there any more; think it got removed.

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  • #909
if no one is requesting dna testing then it makes me think the dr may have used donor sperm and eggs.that would make it harder to make a claim on any baby resulting,I would imagine..not quite the same as taking someone's fully-made embryos and using them.I'm guessing the dr could have ordered the sperm from a bank.and if someone signed away their rights via egg donation,then there is no claim that can be made.
I also wonder if they paid off the denis guy..to make him just go away and be quiet!
 
  • #910
if no one is requesting dna testing then it makes me think the dr may have used donor sperm and eggs.that would make it harder to make a claim on any baby resulting,I would imagine..not quite the same as taking someone's fully-made embryos and using them.I'm guessing the dr could have ordered the sperm from a bank.and if someone signed away their rights via egg donation,then there is no claim that can be made.
I also wonder if they paid off the denis guy..to make him just go away and be quiet!

BBM, I wondered the same thing. He did seem sincere when he first appeared on the scene. I wasn't sure if he could be the bio-dad, but it seemed like he wanted to know.

Nadya said the dad was military or something (aside from being married)? I can't remember what she said and since half of everything she said seemed to be a fib, IMO.

I think DNA results would be interesting, not only for someone to find out they are the bio-dad but to help investigate whether the doctor was doing some shady implants. It's JMO but the doctor might have more to hide than Nadya does. Not that she's stupid and I'm not defending her but I'd imagine I'd take a doctor for his word if he told me he implanted 6 embryos. (Do you all know what I mean?) It's also possible that Nadya knew all along what was being done with her body and was a happy participant, IMO. I suppose I'm only skeptical about the origin of the eggs because of the fair appearance of a couple of the babies. JMO.
 
  • #911
I agree,it's the way she behaved over the ID twins issue though,that makes me think she knew that at least 8 or more were implanted ..she wasn't very forthcoming about which ones were 'identical' and I don't buy her mom's story that she's so out of it she didn't know which ones were the 'twins'.not to mention,that SEG on her face in her very first interview,plus the way she has behaved about it all in general...money,fame,not being interested in the tups,all the lies she's told,etc.
 
  • #912
if no one is requesting dna testing then it makes me think the dr may have used donor sperm and eggs.that would make it harder to make a claim on any baby resulting,I would imagine..not quite the same as taking someone's fully-made embryos and using them.I'm guessing the dr could have ordered the sperm from a bank.and if someone signed away their rights via egg donation,then there is no claim that can be made.
I also wonder if they paid off the denis guy..to make him just go away and be quiet!

Egg donation is much more expensive than sperm donation. It could be thousands of $$$. I just doubt Nadya would pay for it.
 
  • #913
I agree. I don't think DNA has been done & why should it? She's claiming they are her children. I guess if someone feels their own eggs (or sperm) were used & they had a good case; someone might request DNA.

As far as I know there is no reason to request DNA



No problem. I don't follow the show either but had watched back then just to see what his involvement would be. I was highly against his helping unless it did not benefit octo directly.

I just went to the message board I used to post at; I don't see that the post is there any more; think it got removed.

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Well some guy came forward, claimed he might be a possible father, and wanted DNA tests done, but as far as I know, nothing came of it and the tests were not done.
If somebody claiming to be a bio-dad demanding testing, wouldn't judge order it done?
 
  • #914
Well some guy came forward, claimed he might be a possible father, and wanted DNA tests done, but as far as I know, nothing came of it and the tests were not done.
If somebody claiming to be a bio-dad demanding testing, wouldn't judge order it done?

I would assume he'd need to get an attorney & take her to court.
I'd assume he'd also need money for the actual DNA tests; so it would be times 14. Tests run anywhere from $200 - $700 last time I looked. The most expensive being legal in court because of the way the sample is collected.
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  • #915
Does anyone remember if Nadya said the father of all 14 children is the same man? (I thought she did, but am not sure.)

If any man were to come forward and demand DNA testing, they would almost have to perform the test on every child, wouldn't they? I am not sure any man would come forward as to fathering 14 children, couldn't the state (or Federal Gov) go after him for back child support or paying back the SSI money (some of the children received SSI, IIRC)? When I think along these lines, I can't figure out why the state isn't more proactive in determing paternity?

I am really curious as to how the doctor ran his practice.

(All the above is my opinion/curiousity.)
 
  • #916
I don't think DNA tests were done on these children-at least I have never seen anything reported regarding it. Certainly would be interesting to know the results.

JJenny When twins are born, if there is one placenta docs know the baby's are Mono-zygote. If there are separate placenta's it is not uncommon for a dna test to be done to determine if the babies are fraternal or identical. It has nothing to do with her being the mother. Although with the tests already done it would be possible for a man to be ruled out as a match. (as it would also be possible to rule her out as a match.

I admit to being nosy; I'd still like to see it!! (whether it exists or not)


I had seen it posted on another site with a source and had checked their source, this is what it said at the time:

The test was done at KP shortly after birth it (what was posted) revealed that none of the 8 babies were were identical twins. She had used at least 8 embryo's.

It is no longer in the article - and the original source now says:

Suleman states that part of her reasoning for attempting a sixth pregnancy was so that the frozen embryos would not be destroyed. Supposedly, the six remaining embryos were implanted and two of the embryos split into twins, resulting in a total of eight embryos. However, time has shown that there are not two identical sets of twins in the group. In fact, Dr. Kamrava stated recently that she insisted on all 'fresh' cycles, and in fact she still has embryos stored with Dr. Kamrava. Since her medical records are confidential, the public does not know how many embryos she had transferred during the IVF

Made me think either the source was telling stories out of of private medical files or didn't have permission to post the information. If we are lucky it may come out in Dr K's testimony to save his license.


This is from the state of CA website, he hasn't had his day in court yet.

Accusation Filed
A formal, public charge by the Board alleging a physician violated the Medical Practice Act. This is the result of a fully investigated complaint that has been referred to the Attorney General's Office for prosecution. Practice is permitted unless otherwise specified.

Case Number: 06-2009-197098
Description of Action: ACCUSATION FILED. THE PHYSICIAN HAS NOT HAD A HEARING OR BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF ANY CHARGES.
Effective Date of Action: December 22, 2009

Under California law, the following information is confidential and NOT public and would NOT appear on a record if applicable to the physician:

Complaints made to the Medical Board of California
Investigations conducted by the Medical Board of California


This is posted on People Mag about the tups BDay:

"I've definitely matured a lot," she says. "When this started, it was all about me. But now I find myself in a situation where I have to support a large family and take care of a large household. I've been through more in the past year than most people go through in a lifetime. I've been sued, harassed, abused, but I've held my own. I think about others now and not so much about myself. I spend more time thinking about paying bills, paying my mortgage and paying attention."

Eleven: me, myself or I's in one paragraph not a word about the babies to be found in the article about their 1st BDAY

To spend quality time with her brood, she often totes one or two of her octuplets with her whenever she runs errands or goes to visit friends. (Her older kids get special one-on-one days with their mom, complete with planned outings.) With the help of three nannies, (plus an extra evening bath time helper and an over nite helper,) Suleman is able to handle the daunting day-to-day logistics of feeding and caring for her 14 children.

"One of the biggest challenges is bonding with my babies," she says. "I need the help of my nannies, but I don't want my children being raised in something that resembles a group home."

Too late for that. Maybe if she learned their names it would help...

Suleman married Marcos Gutierrez in 1996. According to Gutierrez, they separated in 2000 because they could not conceive children together. Gutierrez filed for divorce in November 2006 and the divorce was finalized in January 2008

AT THE PATIENTS first consult she was electing to use donor sperm to conceive... in 1997, the year after she wed. Between 4/97 and early 2000 she had 2 failed inseminations, 1 tubal pregnancy and 1 cancellation after HT without a retrieval.

Since none of us makes our own wouldn't all females be using donor sperm? Or does her first visit imply "donor" sperm?

Remember all the whining to WC doc about infertility, she only TTC 3 times in 4 years. Late 2000 she got preg with #1 of 6.

Her ex-husband is now married and has 2 kids. But he and Octo were still legally married through out 1-6 births...

The children's' granddad also told The Post that "David Solomon" - the name listed on the babies' birth certificates - is not their father. In fact, Nadya made it up, he said.

"She wouldn't put the true name on there because then he [the donor] wouldn't be protected or anonymous," he said. "At some point in the future, if he wants to be a part of the children's lives, I am sure she would let him."

Under California law, the father must sign a form to have his name on the birth certificate. But Edward Suleman contends the document was falsified. The California attorney general said falsifying a birth certificate is a felony punishable by a maximum of three years in jail. (For each offense.)

Does "donor" meaning "donor" - mean that even her parents were lied to (again) about the possible father?

When she was claiming she used frozen she said the father refused the last insemination not knowing she had frozen "spares" and those are the ones she used. But her doc said she used fresh....


 
  • #917
How does one falsify a birth certificate? Don't they ask for ID for proof? Or can anyone walk into a hospital and sign their name and be the 'father'? (Sorry, I'm pretty dense sometimes.)

From the way this story has played out, it sounds like a story from a Dr Frankenstein book. The children are all a bunch of innocents but I'm not too sure about the adults. (JMO!)

Anyone know when the doctor's fate is decided?
 
  • #918
If Nadya lied, and falsified the birth documents then when will she be charged with up to eight counts of felony?
 
  • #919
I think I would,too.But she continues to lie and defend the dr's actions,and it seems to be all about money to her.
If she'd gotten angry,I mean really ANGRY,at what the dr did to her and fessed up...like how many embryos did he *really implant...that there are no ID twins...etc..at least she would appear honest on that,and it might appear she cared about the babies..JMO.because you have to CARE to be angry..and that much she is lacking.

Is this a new picture? http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/categories/octomom/


She's scary crazy, but not dumb KWIM? She went into this to be rich and famous. I think she wanted to be the first Kate+8 only in her case she was shooting for a Nutya Dozen. Gotta admit her 1-6 are beautiful children. I can see her thinking of herself as some modern day Ms Pied Piper with her own TV show about all she does (by herself) to care for a houseful of kids.

She knew all the risks and the possible complications. She has a college education - I don't think she would go into this with out knowing exactly what she was doing....

At the beginning I didn't think she could have tried to plan this even using 6 (or 8) frozen embryos. But with 11, if even half took she was looking at 5 or 6 babies,making her a single mom of 11 or 12 kids, gee just think a year later she would have been back in the L & D, having her next batch. Plant 11 hoping for half to take. Instead 8 "stuck"....

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/ocotomom_suleman_coverup_11_embryos_implanted/celebrity/67984

"She was very upset and nervous," revealed Munoz. "She told me, 'You've got to take me over to Dr. Kamrava's so we can get rid of the paperwork on the octuplets. We're in enough trouble over the news that he did six transfers at once. If it comes out that I actually had 11, it will destroy my image.'

"Nadya was particularly worried that Dr. Kamrava had her sign a waiver acknowledging it was dangerous to implant that many embryos at one time. She didn't want it to be revealed that she had deliberately put herself through a very dangerous procedure." Munoz says Nadya told him a few days later that everything was "taken care of.""'I got the doctor's nurse to shred the records. That evidence is gone,' she told me.

Ummm yeah, that was a real problem... :rolleyes: Gotta wonder if this is true, what else was shredded?

The clinic performed *only 62 IVF cycles in 2006. And in women under 35, he succeeded only 10 percent of the time - compared with the national average of 39 percent. Kamrava transferred an average of 3.5 embryos into women under 35 - far greater than the national average of 2.3.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nation...K;jsessionid=740FF993F297EDFD7BE1738FC97184F9

*Octo was inseminated with her twins in 2006.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ask-the-experts-why-are-o
An evolutionary expert explains why 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sapiens is not equipped to handle eight kids, and why they invest so much energy in a single offspring (clipped)

So we are not built to have octuplets?
Humans are ill equipped to handle large litters. Evolution has simply not set us up to do that well. Typically, litter size in nature is matched by the number of mammary glands we have. We have two. How do you nurse the additional offspring?

Michael Kamrava, implanted more than that, violating professional ethical guidelines, although not breaking any U.S. laws. Kamrava, a general practitioner who lacks board certification* for obstetrics and gynecology, has one of the worst records for successful in vitro implantations in the country, according to Forbes.

Of those implantations only 5 resulted in pregnancies (8%). And of those five pregnancies, only two were carried to term, one singleton and one set of twins. One can infer that the twins were the ones that Octuplet Mom gave birth to that year. Suleman was Kamrava's most famous patient, even before the octuplets. (See this local news clip of her and Kamrava from 2006 when she was expecting the twins.)

Suleman's babies ranged in weight from 1.5 to three pounds (0.7 to 1.4 kilograms), and low-birth weight correlates with lower intelligence and a higher risk of developing type 2 diabetes, according to BBC reports. Premature infants, common in multiple births, face a greater risk of breathing problems, brain and organ damage and, later in life, developmental problems and cerebral palsy.

* he had a subspecialty in reproductive endocrinology.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-suleman-doctor,0,2951610.story

In the fall of 2006, KTLA featured Suleman and Kamrava in a story about in-vitro fertilization treatments. At the time, Suleman was pregnant with twins.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-octomom-doctor,0,5179843.story

Kamrava's lawyer, Peter Osinoff, said Monday that Suleman requested fresh embryos be used to improve her chances of success in each pregnancy. In her video Tuesday, Suleman said Kamrava told her he transferred whatever was left of the frozen embryos to her. Seeming to have second thoughts, Suleman added she may have signed papers she didn't read."Maybe that was my neglicence," Suleman said.

Kamrava is also accused of giving Suleman too much of a hormone while stimulating in vitro fertilization, poor record keeping and failing to recognize that Suleman's conduct was placing her offspring at risk.

http://blogs.forbes.com/sciencebiz/...running-the-worst-fertility-clinic-in-the-us/

Matthew Herper is a senior editor at Forbes

Dr. Kamrava's practice in Beverly Hills, are part of the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology (SART). Members report clinical data on success rates. And while this data can be gamed, say by turning away patients who are less likely to get pregnant, overall the reports that SART publishes can be useful for comparison.

Now compare Kamrava's results with the industry average. According to SART's national survey, 35% of implantations result in pregnancies. Nationwide, for women under 35, 45% of in vitro treatments result in live births. Kamrava's rate was 10. 0 for women over 35.

Cornell's fertility clinic, which attracts the most difficult patients from all over the world, its success rate is similar to the national average.

Stay tuned. "I don't think he'll lose his license," predicts Dr. Krzymowski. "But the hospitals he's affiliated will take a look. And the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology will probably sanction him."

It is not uncommon for women to develop a "crush" of sorts on their OB, look how much more up close and personal Octo's relationship is with Dr K, he is the one who actually inseminated her, over and over. He even used her in a video about fertility treatment. Her getting angry at him would be like "a normal woman" getting angry at her husband. (kind-a sort-a)

Pls don't misunderstand I'm not suggesting anything unethical by Dr K with Octo sexually. I'm just talking run of the mill crush. We know Nutty has no edit button, I can imagine her plotting with him to improve his practice by using her to make this wonderful family...

Her lack of comments since the "fresh or frozen" debate was spilled says tons...

I was going over the charges against Kamrava last night and made a quick chart of her attempts:

OR = Oocyte Retrieval, HT = hormone therapy, IUI = intrauterine insemination, HTFT - hysteroscopic trans-uterine fallopian tube transfer (used a catheter and placed the fertilized egg back at the fallopian tube, +2,+3,+4 = how many months she waited after birth to return asking for more.

according to her records: FAILED TO USE OR SUGGEST CRYOPRESRVED EMBRYO'S

BEGINNING 10/02 HE SUDDENLY UPS THE NUMBER OF IMPLANTS
IN EXCESS OF ASRM STANDARDS (but she didn't have the twins til 06)

IN JULY O8 THE NUMBER OF TRANSFERS BECOMES FAR IN EXCESS AND BEYOND THE REASONABLE JUDGEMENT OF ANY MD (Octo birth)

BEGINNING 7-05 HE SUDDENLY UPS THE USE OF GONADOTROPIN
(OR 10/05 resulted in biochemical pregnancy )



04/97 - IUI - failed
11/98 - IUI - failed
5/99 - OR - 05/99 HTFT - resulted in ectopic
7-00 - HT - cancelled post HT - no OR - NA
8/00 - HT - 8/00 - OR - 09/00 - IVF - 5/18/2001 M +4
8 /01 - HT - 09-01 - OR - 10/01 IVF - 06/30/02 F +4
10/02 - HT - 11-02 - OR - 12/02 IVF - 08/20/03 M +4
06/04 - HT- 07/04 - OR - 07/04 IVF - 04/06/05 M +3
10/05 - HT - 10/05 - OR - 10/05 - IVF BIOCHEMICAL PREG +1
12/05 - HT - 01/06 - OR - 01/06 - IVF - 10/01/06 - M/F +2
01/07 - HT - 01/07 - OR - 02/07- IVF NEG RESULTS
03/07 - HT - 03/07 - OR - 03/07 - IVF Neg Results
00/07 - HT - 11/07 - OR - No transfer N/A
01/08 - HT - 01/08 - OR - 01/08 - IVF - NEG
07/08 - HT - 07/08 - OR- 07/08 - 01/09 6M/2F


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-to-find-octuplets-doctor-still-working.html

A British embryologist, who worked for the doctor who gave fertility treatment to the mother of octuplets, said she was "shocked" to find he was still working.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1483134.stm

Multiple articles at link reveal long term troubles.

Birth of octuplets rattles fertility experts

"When we see something like this in the general fertility world, it gives us the heebie-jeebies," said Michael Tucker, a clinical embryologist in Atlanta and a leading researcher in infertility treatment. Tucker added that in his opinion, "if a medical practitioner had anything to do with it, there's some degree of inappropriate medical therapy there."
 
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If Nadya lied, and falsified the birth documents then when will she be charged with up to eight counts of felony?

Fourteen - I don't know they have known for over a year. I also found 4 different interviews with the "friend" Denis who for 2 mos last year asked for a paternity test. Then nothing...
 

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