Wow! Thank God for Richard Grund & Thank God LP Told on the Anthony's!!

[ZsaZsa]

There's no need to rely on any of these sources, because the original test has been released in discovery. See it here:

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/casey-anthony-case-read-jesse-grund-s-dna-paternity-test

One sentence is all you really need to read: "The probability of paternity is 0%."

Right, what I am saying is that because DC and ICA both said that there was a dubious result doesn't make it so, that is just the official Anthony party line. RG and JG had seen the printed test results and there was no doubt.

 

[LambChop]

Is there a statute of limitations on obstruction of justice in a criminal case?

 

[AZlawyer]

Is there a statute of limitations on obstruction of justice in a criminal case?

I think the applicable crime would be "accessory after the fact" in aid of a person who committed a capital felony. The statute of limitations for that in Florida is 4 years.

ETA: Florida Criminal Code 777.03, 775.15(2)(a)

 

[Mrs G Norris]

IF ... IF .... IF .... it is proven or confirmed that Lee did go to Georgia to see Jesse ... that is very suspect in my mind. What non-suspicious reason would Lee have to go all the way to Georgia to see Jesse? He could just talk to him on the phone. We have to wait and see if the trip to Georgia is confirmed .....

Yes, awaiting more info regarding this trip to Georgia, it is curious....I am thinking it did happen since it came via Richard Grund and he would know...want to know did they meet, what happened, what was the reason for the meet, etc etc.

But then there is that quote, I believe from LE that "Lee knows what he has done." Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?????

I always thought this was related to the wiping of Casey's laptop at Tony Lazzaro's apartment.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/24/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done/

But I am prepared to keep an open mind, and def interested to hear more about this.

 

[LambChop]

I think the applicable crime would be "accessory after the fact" in aid of a person who committed a capital felony. The statute of limitations for that in Florida is 4 years.

ETA: Florida Criminal Code 777.03, 775.15(2)(a)

So if there is any validity to the rumors flying around right now there could be charges brought because by the time of the trial it will be 3 years. That would explain a lot. Why CA has not gone back to work and is acting like a crazy fool at times, why Lee asked for immunity, why Judge Perry is determined to keep everything on track so they don't have to move the trial date and possibly a thousand other things I just can't think of right now. Oh, oh and yes, why we have not seen or heard anything, anything about DC's statement/investigated depo. Bigger fish to fry, me thinks.

 

[beach]

To add to Thinktank's timeline -

It appears that Lee Anthony hired Thomas Luka right after Caylee's remains were discovered. [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76772"] Here is the thread[/ame] I read through page 5 and didn't see a direct link.

 

[LambChop]

Yes, awaiting more info regarding this trip to Georgia, it is curious....I am thinking it did happen since it came via Richard Grund and he would know...want to know did they meet, what happened, what was the reason for the meet, etc etc.



I always thought this was related to the wiping of Casey's laptop at Tony Lazzaro's apartment.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/24/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done/

But I am prepared to keep an open mind, and def interested to hear more about this.

Now where did I read this, just the other day. That it was determined that the laptop was cleared in the early morning hours of the 16th.

 

[AZlawyer]

Now where did I read this, just the other day. That it was determined that the laptop was cleared in the early morning hours of the 16th.

I think you're right but I have no link either.

 

[The World According]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104946&highlight=dominic+casey

In the words of Richard Hornsby, "One does not fight a subpoena this hard uneless you have something to hide".


No one had to leave the state to get Jesse's DNA, he had touched the Anthony computer and Baez had in his possession cards Jesse had touched ( that he had written to Caylee), among many other things he likely gave Caylee.

Neither of those silly people would have the silghtest bit of cahones to try to open those bags with the baby in them. Why would they risk prison for Casey?
Let's just consider what we know about Hoover and Dom....check out his entire thread. His best bud was Ginny, with her magic visions, good grief. Alrighty then.
If Lee Anthony wanted Jess's DNA, he met with him in Orlando more than once, going over timelines, etc.
If he went to Georgia it was not to play CSI.

I am no fan of the Anthonys, Dominic is a disgrace to his profession, and Hoover isn't even a PI. He is someone who had a relative that at one time was a body guard for a famous person. None of them was going to be risking prison for Casey, least of all Lee, who through his own investigation had surmised very early on everything Casey had told him was a lie. We know this by what he divulged in the car to Tony.

I cannot take this nonsense seriously, any more than I can imagine Ginny and Dom being taken seriously. IF I were the Grunds though, I would not put anything past these morally reprehesible people, absolutely nothing.

Regarding the DNA sample being requested by Jose from Jesse, I think that is just another example of Casey trying to sound sophisticated to call it that while she was "Reaching out" to her jailmate. I doubt very seriously that even Jose Baez would come up with something that rich. He may have mentioned a desire to do a confirmation paternity test, just for perfunctory reasons, and Casey took that and ran. I liken it to stories at short notice being her specialty. It reminds me of her story of pop having a mini stroke and all of her other fanciful stories seemingly having been drawn , somewhat , from something real in her life or that she saw or heard.

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5655093&postcount=1294"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings MERGED[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAuXZ3jqJ70[/ame]

( minute 5:59 )
Do you remember that Dom fought the depo for a YEAR, and the defense stood shoulder to shoulder fighting it too?
Ms. Tennis and the state argued the matter in front of Mr. Baez although Mr. Baez was rather confused indeed. He was asking the judge to ignore statutes. Even Ms. Tennis conceded that of course the state had every right to interview him under a state subpoena. The difference between that and a normal depo was that the defense lawyer would not be present. She was concerned about a transcript of his depo being released in discovery. Andrea was whispering "Jose,... Jose", trying to give him clues at that hearing, but I honestly do not think he understood the rules. Ms. Tennis argued that he should not have to testify period, due to privilege issues. Of course the state argued that none exist and they are not bound by any would be private confidentiality agreement. The judge concurred and told the state to go ahead with his depo with the time they had already scheduled.

Mrs. Drane Burdick had even called Baez in advance to inquire if he wanted to add Dom to his witness list. Everyone went above and beyond to try to give him clues. If one doesn't understand the rules, that is what the law library is for. When he shows up at hearings thoroughly unprepared, the judge cannot be blamed. The blame can be laid directly where the fault lies, the guy that spent two hundred seventy five thousand dollars without deposing Dominic, LE or FBI agents. You just can't make this stuff up!

Thank you Think Tank for taking the time to break things down. Boy oh boy would the JAC dude love you!!! [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5199198&postcount=19"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dominic Casey: Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition & Motion for Protective Order#2[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzHBImdRrY[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5199218&postcount=20"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dominic Casey: Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition & Motion for Protective Order#2[/ame]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5200998&postcount=28"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dominic Casey: Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition & Motion for Protective Order#2[/ame]

 

[Brattigirle]

Now where did I read this, just the other day. That it was determined that the laptop was cleared in the early morning hours of the 16th.

That would of been the exact time Lee got his hands on it ... right?

 

[Leila]

Yes it is curious.....rumor mentioned here http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.net/125702

'The chain of command seems to be PI Jim Hoover, to PI Dominic Casey, to Jose Baez. The target was to obtain the fingerprints and DNA of Jessie Grund. The first attempt involved Casey Anthony, but that failed, the second attempt involved Lee Anthony, who traveled to Atlanta to meet with Jessie Grund.'

and...

'Update: I have to point out that it was not Richard Grund that started the DNA witch hunt. He and his family are victims. My information came from a third party. Richard Grund is not denying the information, merely that he was not the person that leaked them. Nor does he have first person evidence.'

Do we really think that Casey told Baez where Caylee was? That he involved Lee and DC in some elaborated DNA scheme to drop some of Jessie's sample at the body? Seems to me this theory started with Richard Grund who floated the first suspicion in his police interview when he mentioned Casey visiting Jessie to take a shower.

Did Lee even visit Jessie in Georgia for this reason? What do we know about this visit, and what....a sample was supposed to be collected by Lee?? Is that what they are saying? 'Hey dude, mind if I just borrow some of your DNA?' Seems flimsy as and conspiratorial in nature to me.

You know I would not put much past Cindy, but Lee .. that is a different story. He does not give off a save Casey by any means possible vibe to me, I think unless there is something a little more solid this rumor is very unfair on him.

Back in August - September of 2008, there was a woman in Georgia who claimed she saw a child she thought was Caylee being exchanged between an older couple. I can't remember now exactly where in Georgia this took place, but it was near a mall where she said a bank robbery happened that same day. She said she called one of the phone numbers to report a sighting of Caylee and spoke to Jesse. Later she called Cindy Anthony and told her about the sighting and said she had spoken to a man named Jesse about it, and that Jesse was coming to interview her. She said that Cindy was very negative about Jesse and tried to persuade the woman not to talk to him.

I could be wrong as it's been a long time, but I think the woman posted here at WS for a couple of weeks. I remember reading posts about this incident.

 

[The World According]

Back in August - September of 2008, there was a woman in Georgia who claimed she saw a child she thought was Caylee being exchanged between an older couple. I can't remember now exactly where in Georgia this took place, but it was near a mall where she said a bank robbery happened that same day. She said she called one of the phone numbers to report a sighting of Caylee and spoke to Jesse. Later she called Cindy Anthony and told her about the sighting and said she had spoken to a man named Jesse about it, and that Jesse was coming to interview her. She said that Cindy was very negative about Jesse and tried to persuade the woman not to talk to him.

I could be wrong as it's been a long time, but I think the woman posted here at WS for a couple of weeks. I remember reading posts about this incident.

Do you mean Michelle Bart, the Kidfinder's chick, Ginette, Annie, Laura Buchanan, NTS, Joy,someone whose IP address is identical to mom and pop's, one of Andrea's students or yet another unidentified friend of Cindy Anthony's? Kidding, I am kidding.

 

[Reagan]

Who exactly put out the statement about Lee that "he knows what he's done"? So many statements, so much info, I forget! TIA

 

[AZlawyer]

Back in August - September of 2008, there was a woman in Georgia who claimed she saw a child she thought was Caylee being exchanged between an older couple. I can't remember now exactly where in Georgia this took place, but it was near a mall where she said a bank robbery happened that same day. She said she called one of the phone numbers to report a sighting of Caylee and spoke to Jesse. Later she called Cindy Anthony and told her about the sighting and said she had spoken to a man named Jesse about it, and that Jesse was coming to interview her. She said that Cindy was very negative about Jesse and tried to persuade the woman not to talk to him.

I could be wrong as it's been a long time, but I think the woman posted here at WS for a couple of weeks. I remember reading posts about this incident.

Oh geez. You're right--I read the old threads in Oct 2008 when I joined and I saw that. I bet Cindy read those comments too, and that's where she got the story that she included in her letter to Casey! Cindy's story was that Jesse pretended to be an investigator and went down to Georgia to interview a witness but backed out of the meeting at the last minute, saying he was late to his niece's birthday party.

The WS posts from Renea were:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2518518#post2518518"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2518518#post2518518[/ame]

8/17/08-8/18/08:

Saw something.... called the police and then the family... many return calls from many people... a lot of lies... can't sleep at night wondering if I gave Cindy false hope. But, the things I heard in between it all are concerning....

I will keep it short this time... my gig is up.... Jesse told me he was a detective for the Anothony family and very close to them.. he told me his was on his way to Athens [Georgia] for his nieces birthday party and that he wanted to stop and talk to me on his way but wanted to know exactly what I saw.

After I described the all the people and their cars... he told me that I described his silver truck and that he was young and like a father to Caylee but it was not him. Then he never asked for exact directions to the gas station. Then, I told him that there was an armed robbery 40 minutes after "what I saw" and that the Sandy Springs Police had the tape of the evening. Then, he cancled, and never meet with me.

When I told Cindy what I say, she started crying and told me that I described exactly who they think has Caylee. She also told me that she asked Casey about Jesse and that Casey told her to stay as far away from him as possible.

What I saw happened before I knew about the Orlando Airport siting.

I saw a 40ish blonde medium built woman and an older 50'sh tall man in a silver SUV type truck with a young 22ish man holding a girl who look a lot like Caylee... They were saying their goodbyes and the woman was stroking the little girls hair. The younger man holding Caylee was in the smaller silver truck. The trucks were parked nose to nose right off 285 at the edge of a gas station... not getting gas.

Yes, I called the police first... then when they did not call back I called the Anthony family. That is why I can not sleep at night... I did not want to give the family false hopes, but when Jesse acted so strange, I started to wonder. I just told myself if that were my child, would I want people to call in tips... not matter what.

I have asked for a photo of Jesse's mom but no one seems to have one? Also, I have been wondering if Jesse has a neice who had a bday party the weekend of July 18th...

Lee gave Jesse my number. Lee told me he was sending him to follow the up on the siting and that he was in law inforcement. I called Cindy and then got calls from George, Cindy and Lee.

I will tell you one thing.... the Anthony family did not get much sleep. I got late pm and early am calls.

The robbery was July 18th at 8:30 am. What I saw happened about 7:40 according to my ATM withdrawal... there is a bank right next to the gas station. I am also losing sleep that my gut told me to notice this "situation" yet I had my cellphone/camera on me and did not think enough to turn around, check the license plates, take a photo etc. That is why I feel for people in these sort of situations because you can not predict what you are going to do. I did come straight home and tell my husband... "I just think I saw that little Caylee girl from Orlando". It took about 30 minutes for me to call... it is a really strange position to be in.

I have already seen the Rev.'s my space page... that is what scared me!

I noticed the blonde woman more than him... only noticed the color of his hair, the silver bigger truck/SUV and that he was taller than the woman. I was to her right... he was to the left.

About two car lenghts away. I have 20/20 vision.

Something about Jesse that night told me to protect myself. Even before he "canceled on me" I had already told myself that I was not going to tell him what I looked like or the kind of car I drove. I was going to show up... notice him, the truck that he already told me was silver, and if I got scared, I was gonna take photo and drive away.

it was not until after I spoke with Jesse that I realized he was not only the "detective" but he was also the "Jesse" ex boyfriend. Can you imagine what I felt like? This was the day after he did not show up.

The LE did finally get back to me and I told them everything. They did say they were glad Jesse and I did not meet.

Also, I called Cindy to tell her Jesse, who I thought was her "detective" canceled on me... and she said she had no idea Lee sent him to meet with me.

she told me she wondered if Lee sent Jesse on purpose to see if I "recognized" him.

Honestly, this made me feel like Lee was putting my life in danger. Nice! No good deed goes unpunished.

The way I described the woman was this.... 40ish... trying to look younger... obviously dyed blonde hair... yellow/white blonde... a little past the shoulder length... medium build, jeans... (not dark, not light)... not really the "instyle" type of jeans... simple Levi's. Loving towards the little girl... like she knew and cared for her.

Jesse did have another person with him when he was traveling to Atlanta/Athens. He was talking to the guy telling him to take notes about certian things I said. What bothers me is .... why did he lie and say he was on his way to his neices party... why not say..." I am driving my brother to college".

When people tell lies... even little ones... you start to wonder why?

Cindy told me what Casey said after I told her he didn't show up and I was concerned. Not before. Lee was the one I talked to before Jesse was to show up. Not Cindy. Lee told me he was calling on her behalf.

let's just say that wasn't caylee I saw... why the lies? I don't feel like I would have recived that many phone calls if I didn't see something of interest.

BP Gas Station on Northside Drive, July 18th, Armed Robbery at 8:30 pm...

Sorry, I was at the Bank... Suntrust... getting money from the ATM... the Robbery was at the BP station... I only know about the robbery because I asked the attendant the next day if he saw anything "strange" and that is when he told me about the armed robbery.

He NEVER said the name of his neice. That was another poster thinking I could have heard Annie... instead of neice. Things get sooooo twisted here!

People... please read the post... He was heading to Athens, Ga! Omigod... I so regret coming here for answers. No wonder this case is not solved. No one can remember the truth... not even the Anthony's.

I never said Jesse said he was on his way to a lake for some party for his neice Annie. NO lake, No Annie.... never happened. Niece's party... in Athens, Ga.

After everything that happened with me thinking I might have spotted Caylee, I started reading more about the case and realized some of the "lies" I had been told and wanted to verify that they were... indeed lies. Like Jesse being a hired detective by the family... Cindy telling me she suspected his family after I told her he didn't show (by then I figured out he was the ex), Cindy telling my description of the woman I saw at the BP matched the woman on the airplane to Orlando (which I did not know about at the time), Jesse coincidently on his way to Athen's for his neice's party, etc. Jesse matching the description of the man I saw and same truck, Cindy telling me she did not know of Marky Mark but Lee said he was a friend, etc. Nothing made since.

I was at the Suntrust ATM at 7:49pm on July 18, 2008 withdrawling exactly $200 (before you ask...) After my transactionk, I noticed the "persons of interest" at the BP Gas Station about 2 car lenghts away. (Someone earlier posted a great "street view" The "persons of interest" would of been where that red car was in the BP Parking lot. At 8:30 pm that same night there was an armed robbery at the BP Gas Station. The Sandy Springs Detectives have the video of that night... due to the robbery. They are "apparently" looking at it to see if the people I saw entered the gas station that night.

After everything happened I decided I needed to research a few things and on someone's website I saw this Marky Mark guy that look a lot like the guy I saw... simular.. as a refernce... I told Cindy about it and told her his comment bothered me. It is "I'll be there for you through it all even if saving you sends me to heaven"

22 years old
Orlando, Florida

www.myspace.com/57156371

Lee said he knew the guy, Cindy said she did not.

Creepy Quote if you ask me!

I never sleep last night I was so upset. Every sound I heard freaked me out... My husband encouraged me to call... although... I think he would like a little sleep.

And, yes... the FBI knows about my story. As does my cousin who is with the SS.

--------------------------

After that the thread was locked for review lol.

 

[LambChop]

That would of been the exact time Lee got his hands on it ... right?

No, I believe after Lee brought the laptop back to the house. The early hours when KC would have been able to access it. That is what I understood. Could be why defense has a computer expert.

 

[AZlawyer]

To follow up on my previous post, Renea later posted:

9/22/08: Helping with getting the tape from the BP. Mostly talk to Cindy and PI. Email conversations with PI, still working 24/7 on case... Talked to Cindy about a week ago. BYW, she comes across to me as very kind and loving... uses words like honey, sweetheart, bless you... asks about me.. How am I holding up, etc. I would never expect that... for her to ask how I am doing?

9/24/08: I beat myself up everyday for not calling 911 and for not turning around and getting a plate number... something deep within me told me to notice these people but for some reason I did not follow thru.

The Det. here in Sandy Springs called yesterday. The people I saw did not go into the gas station and purchase anything. The station, unfortunatly, does not have exterior cameras.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think KC was being shadowed by LE that night, although am aware she was able to spend a little time on the PC, but remember she was being questioned / interviewed / driven around Orlando on wild goose chases for most of the night. When Lee went to Tony's to get her possessions he went alone and was gone for longer than expected by all accounts. He had opportunity IMO, she did not.

 

[AZlawyer]

I think KC was being shadowed by LE that night, although am aware she was able to spend a little time on the PC, but remember she was being questioned / interviewed / driven around Orlando on wild goose chases for most of the night. When Lee went to Tony's to get her possessions he went alone and was gone for longer than expected by all accounts.

But Tony said the laptop was already on the blue screen of death before Lee showed up.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Now where did I read this, just the other day. That it was determined that the laptop was cleared in the early morning hours of the 16th.

I think you're right but I have no link either.

That would of been the exact time Lee got his hands on it ... right?

But Tony said the laptop was already on the blue screen of death before Lee showed up.

If the BSOD was on it when Lee picked it up then who would have been able to clear it in the early hours of July 16th? They would have had to fix the BSOD and then clear it. Casey would not have had opportunity, and someone would have needed skillz to do it. Was it even cleared, or was an attempt made, did Casey try to do it herself before Cindy and Amy showed up? Unsure, and we need more info.

Apologies for veering way off topic. We opened this up to discuss what was meant by quote 'He knows what he has done' in regards to Lee.

On January 26, 2009, WESH 2 aired a reported entitled What Did Lee Anthony Know? In this report they quoted an unnamed source “close to the investigation” who stated “We kind of treat him separately. He knows what he has done.“ On that same day WESH also had a report entitled Lee Anthony’s Attorney Says Client May Be Charged, in which Tom Luka, Lee’s attorney, is quoted as saying:

There were a number of instances where he was acting on behalf of his sister, or on behalf of law enforcement, that now could be seen as something less than benign or could be seen as hindering the investigation instead of assisting it.
​

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/24/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done/

I am not sure if that quote relates to anything in regards to the laptop or a DNA conspiracy, I certainly doubt the latter. This comment by his lawyer without any specific information in it has left the opportunity for speculation wide open. Which may have caused the Grund's and the folks at BNN to drift into realms of improbability. Although I am very glad that any attempts by the Anthony's to bring Jessie into the frame (which did occur early on) were unsuccessful.

 

[LancelotLink]

But Tony said the laptop was already on the blue screen of death before Lee showed up.

Do you have a link for this? I missed this.