Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #2

[*Lash*]

Can you supply a link? Rebecca and her sister were not the only two who could have had access to the computer. Adam arrived at 4pm. We do not know his whereabouts for the entire day.

While at the airport on July 12, Zahau picked up her boyfriend's brother, Adam Shacknai, 48, who arrived on a flight from his hometown of Memphis around 4 p.m., said Mary Zahau-Loehner.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15485069/records-reveal-final-cell-phone-calls-to-rebecca-zahau

 

[justice be served]

^ The searches were done in the 24 hours before Rebecca's death...so say midnight Monday night to midnight Tuesday night. Andd they were done on Rebecca's computer in the guest room. No one was at the home except Rebecca (and XZ until about noon Tuesday). You aren't suggesting that XZ viewed the on Rebecca's computer are you?

I have not seen anywhere where the facts have definitively been presented of who was at the Shacknai house that day. In fact quite the contrary. Publications were scrubbed early on that says Jonah's kids were there. You really needn't bring up a teen viewing either. It's maybe titillating to you but offensive to the rest of us.

 

[screecher]

I understand. I feel exactly the same way when I see "Anti-Zahaus" or how I'm a racist who thinks Rebecca killed Max.

It DOES get old.

wow. wow. who the hell has called you a racist in these threads? seriously. I don't believe that has happened. just wow.

I guess Rebecca didn't feel like going out and buying a gun, did she? Her method of suicide was very simplistic, too. A long peice of rope, and over the balcony. Very easy, and recreated very easily at least twice...once by SDSO, and once by a news station. My point was, and is, that when someone is determined to kill themselves, they will find a way...just like Rebecca Zahau did.

And I must say, I'm a bit hurt, you are questioning my truthfulness about a relatives suicide? Sadly, it is true.

BBM

Nah, she didn't. She was a little busy being chauffeur. Probably didn't have a nano second of time to even considering murdering herself. However, the cop who drove her and her sister to urgi care heard Rebecca state "Dina is going to kill me". Maybe in all those hours DS was supposedly resting (???) she was going thru different scenarios on how to off Rebecca?

Thanks for posting Lash. Perfect example, Bremner brings up the , yet doesn't mention it was access on Rebecca Zahau's computer at times only she was in the mansion, and instead tries to make it sound like it was Adam.

IMO, three other peeps were there. You don't know as fact Rebecca was the only person there. You just state it as fact.

^ The searches were done in the 24 hours before Rebecca's death...so say midnight Monday night to midnight Tuesday night. Andd they were done on Rebecca's computer in the guest room. No one was at the home except Rebecca (and XZ until about noon Tuesday). You aren't suggesting that XZ viewed the on Rebecca's computer are you?

Dina was unaccounted for a very large block of time, could very well have been Dina IMO ;-)

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Can you supply a link? Rebecca and her sister were not the only two who could have had access to the computer. Adam arrived at 4pm. We do not know his whereabouts for the entire day.

From page 198 of Ann Rule's novella:

2. A review of the Internet history from Becky's computer during the last twenty-four hours showed numerous searches and viewing of , including lesbian and anime . (The latter is a Japanese sytle of annimated cartoon, often with violent of sexually explicit content.)

That would be from approximately midnight Monday to mignight Tuesday. Adam did not arrive until 4 pm Tuesday, and he and Rebecca went to the hospital, to dinner with Jonah, back to the hospital, then home around 8 pm. Adam went to the guest house, and Rebecca went upstairls to the master bedroom, and the computer/guest room.

No one else had access to the computer. Unless Rebecca was having an affair and had snuck someone into the mansion both nights and he or they watched this together - which I don't even entertain - it was Rebecca who viewed it, iMO.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

I have not seen anywhere where the facts have definitively been presented of who was at the Shacknai house that day. In fact quite the contrary. Publications were scrubbed early on that says Jonah's kids were there. You really needn't bring up a teen viewing either. It's maybe titillating to you but offensive to the rest of us.

That XZ was there during a portion of that time is a fact. Only she or Rebecca could have viewed the . Nothing titillating about it.

MSM never reported that Jonah's children were there. Please supply a link to MSM that proves I am incorrect. To say "they were scrubbed" won't work.

 

[screecher]

^Where was Dina? :thinking:

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ Dina was at the hospital from Monday afternoon until late Tuesday morning, then went to her home for a few hours (where there were witneses), then back to the hospital, where she was when she was told by Jonah that Rebecca had killed herself. So, it was not Dina looking at on Rebecca Zahau's computer.

From page 214 from Ann Rule:

Numerous witnesses place Dina in the hospital at Max's bedside throughout the night.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ There were plenty of discussions about ES being the viewer in past threads (when he was not even in Coronado), and there were no complaints about the posts. Is he not also a teenager?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

For the record, I do not think it was a teenager that viewed the . IMO, it was Rebecca and only Rebecca, trying to figure out how to make her suicide very sensational to shock Jonah.

 

[coastal]

Do you even read what you write? Nobody would do what you suggest Rebecca did. It doesn't even make any sense to imagine such a thing. Let's see:

I'll kill myself...not sensational enough. I know, I'll do it nude! Not shocking enough, though. Wait - I'll hang myself, naked, outside...better, but not quite right. Eureka! I'll hang myself naked outside after I tie my hands behind my back, and I'll tie my ankles together, too! That's it! Hahaha...and everybody will think Dina murdered me over Max's accident. That's it!

You would find less argument for your theory if you hated Rebecca less obviously, IMO.

 

[MissUnderstood]

Quick question... Is this Ann Rule book written as fact? I know she worked with LE and family but there have been many books written in that way that are used as a story line but not all factual. I don't think we can use that book as fact can we??


MOO!!

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Of course I don't believe in cherry picking or piece mealing (Sheriff Gore's word). I personally believe the motivation behind the letter was for a purpose completely different than what was stated in the letter.

Piece mealing is exactly what SDSO did when they handed over a file to the Zahau's and Bremner. They cherry picked what evidence would be included in the file. The reason there was a suit filed against SDSO for the additional file evidence. As well the suit requested SDSO to return Rebecca's personal belongings.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with suing SDSO to get all the files or her belongings. Those things are owed to her family.

What I found unconscionable was Bremner's extracting of embarrassing info to drum up interest for a lynch mob.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Sorry for your families loss

This is how it's done Bourne. (I've been asked not to generalize, so I'm having to address the individual poster)

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Do you even read what you write? Nobody would do what you suggest Rebecca did. It doesn't even make any sense to imagine such a thing. Let's see:

I'll kill myself...not sensational enough. I know, I'll do it nude! Not shocking enough, though. Wait - I'll hang myself, naked, outside...better, but not quite right. Eureka! I'll hang myself naked outside after I tie my hands behind my back, and I'll tie my ankles together, too! That's it! Hahaha...and everybody will think Dina murdered me over Max's accident. That's it!

You would find less argument for your theory if you hated Rebecca less obviously, IMO.

I don't hate Rebecca, so please don't attempt to give me emotions I don't have.

Why is it that anyone who thinks Rebecca Zahau killed herself "hates her"?

I didn't know Rebecca. I have no feelings about her one way or the other. But I do think she killed herself, and I do think she did it in a way that would tramatize Jonah as much as possible.

 

[screecher]

I understand. I feel exactly the same way when I see "Anti-Zahaus" or how I'm a racist who thinks Rebecca killed Max.

It DOES get old.

Again, where in these threads have posters called you a racist.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with suing SDSO to get all the files or her belongings. Those things are owed to her family.

What I found unconscionable was Bremner's extracting of embarrassing info to drum up interest for a lynch mob.

Huh? And now there is a "lynch mob"?

Are you freaking serious?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

I, for one, would like to discuss the actual allegations that the Zahaus made, instead of the meaning of words.

Does anyone know if in their long list of allegatins, the Zahaus alledged Rebecca let Dina and Nina in, or did they break in?

 

[screecher]

^ You haven't even read the complaint?

 

[bourne]

Quick question... Is this Ann Rule book written as fact? I know she worked with LE and family but there have been many books written in that way that are used as a story line but not all factual. I don't think we can use that book as fact can we??


MOO!!

I think we all know that crime writers are just that: Crime writers. This means they write about crimes and although they say they write using evidence, a lot of times they stretch the truth or give half-truths (and some and I'm not saying Ann Rule does even fabricate things for sensationalism and dramatic impact). Why? Because they want to sell their book. Nobody's going to buy a book that has no drama in it, correct?

Therefore, I consider Ann Rule's book a half-fiction with dramatic hyperboles. E.g., it's a fact that the plant in the Spreckels mansion is not the type that Ann Rule stated it was. This was verified by an insider. Also just the fact that Gore made threats to Anne Bremner and by extension to Ann Rule to not disclose info "piecemeal" means, and it should be self-evident, that Ann Rule was not allowed to write certain things. Perhaps she was even asked to write it in such a way as to appear "neutral" and "non accusatory" even though deep inside she might have felt different.

The best way for you to figure this out is by asking her directly. Perhaps you can email/contact her and ask? I'm sure this forum will be most appreciative.

For myself, I take Ann Rule's story of Rebecca's murder as a fun read and nothing more. I am, though, awaiting the depos to see if anything comes out about whether Adam took ambien or offered it to Rebecca, and whether he actually said "My bedside manner wasn't that bad!" and whether the pic of large built woman entering Spreckels mansion the morning police were called about Rebecca's "violent, suspicious death" was, as I believe it was, Dina. Can you imagine a defendant in a murder case was allowed to cross police barricades and enter the crime scene and perhaps plant evidence or contaminate the scene?!!!! What a scandal...

 

[bourne]

For the record, I do not think it was a teenager that viewed the . IMO, it was Rebecca and only Rebecca, trying to figure out how to make her suicide very sensational to shock Jonah.

No. At which point in time did Rebecca have time to search for "Asian anime bond "? And why Asian anime? And why would she want to shock Jonah? Remember, his voicemail doesn't exist. So you can't say it's because he dumped her or told her that Max was not recovering.

 

[bourne]

^ Dina was at the hospital from Monday afternoon until late Tuesday morning, then went to her home for a few hours (where there were witneses), then back to the hospital, where she was when she was told by Jonah that Rebecca had killed herself. So, it was not Dina looking at on Rebecca Zahau's computer.

From page 214 from Ann Rule:

Numerous witnesses place Dina in the hospital at Max's bedside throughout the night.

Good grief. Yes, we know according to Ann Rule's book, Ann Rule wrote there were witnesses. But if these witnesses exist, why haven't they testified on Dina's behalf? Why go through this whole "charade" of legal WDS in both federal and state courts? Why, Dina has too much time and money on her hands? Why not simply ask these witnesses to provide her with this ironclad alibi you speak of?

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