Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #3

[MyBelle]

BBM

WOW. MyBelle. Where are you getting all these differing dates from?

I guess you aren't aware Rebecca Zahau was found dead on the morning of July 13, 2011?

:thud::drink::thud:

The dates are right out of the ME's reports linked up thread. I'm quite aware that the ME cited time of death to be Thursday, July 13 and that is why Wednesday, July 12 is irrelevant to the wrongful death case.

JMO

 

[screecher]

The dates are right out of the ME's reports linked up thread. I'm quite aware that the ME cited time of death to be Thursday, July 13 and that is why Wednesday, July 12 is irrelevant to the wrongful death case.

JMO

OMG. There is no Thursday, July 13, 2011, nor is there a Wednesday, July 12, 2011.

Unless my calendar is wrong. Hey, stranger things have happened.

:drink::drink:

 

[IQuestion]

MYBELLE.......Again your posts only make me want to look further into the wrongful death suit. So, I researched the CDC handbook on completing a death certificate and DHAAAANG...guess what the CDC said?:
"The cause-of-death section in the medical examiner’s or coroner’s certification is always a medical opinion."
and only [B]"represents the best effort of the medical examiner or coroner"[/B].
So, if it is "always a medical opinion"....there should be nothing wrong with seeking a second medical opinion, huh?
Oh my, second opinion? It reminds me of a bio-mechanics expert who was hired to refute the claims of SDSO's report. Anybody remember that?
I'll let you Google away and find the handbook and I quoted was from page 28 of the 138 page handbook.
And please let me make it absolutely clear, I am all for second opinions. And I do not blame ANY family member wanting/requesting/or paying for one.

 

[MyBelle]

OMG. There is no Thursday, July 13, 2011, nor is there a Wednesday, July 12, 2011.

Unless my calendar is wrong. Hey, stranger things have happened.

:drink::drink:

Do you heckle everyone who makes a typo or minor error? July 13 is the date in the ME's report. He didn't use days of the week. That's my very minor error. Doesn't matter if it was Wednesday or Thursday, the day BEFORE RZ's death is irrelevant to the wrongful death case.

JMO

 

[IQuestion]

OMG. There is no Thursday, July 13, 2011, nor is there a Wednesday, July 12, 2011.

Unless my calendar is wrong. Hey, stranger things have happened.

:drink::drink:

Your sleuthing skills are getting awfully keen, SCREECHER! You are absolutely correct about someone citing incorrect days. I linked to a July 2011 calendar.
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2011&month=7
Night to all, it's been a long day.

 

[IQuestion]

OMG. There is no Thursday, July 13, 2011, nor is there a Wednesday, July 12, 2011.

Unless my calendar is wrong. Hey, stranger things have happened.

 

[MyBelle]

MYBELLE.......Again your posts only make me want to look further into the wrongful death suit. So, I researched the CDC handbook on completing a death certificate and DHAAAANG...guess what the CDC said?:
"The cause-of-death section in the medical examiner’s or coroner’s certification is always a medical opinion."
and only [B]"represents the best effort of the medical examiner or coroner"[/B].
So, if it is "always a medical opinion"....there should be nothing wrong with seeking a second medical opinion, huh?
Oh my, second opinion? It reminds me of a bio-mechanics expert who was hired to refute the claims of SDSO's report. Anybody remember that?
I'll let you Google away and find the handbook and I quoted was from page 28 of the 138 page handbook.
And please let me make it absolutely clear, I am all for second opinions. And I do not blame ANY family member wanting/requesting/or paying for one.

Doesn't matter what the family wants after that death certificate is filed with the state by the ME's office. Yep, it is a medical opinion that a court WILL NOT change because it is an expert opinion that involved a law enforcement investigation and thorough autopsy. The medical opinion of suicide is now a matter of public record and can't be changed and I don't see the coroner doing that.

JMO

The VS 24 form cannot be used to:
--Change the informant that
is listed on the original death
certificate.

--Correct the date, time, place, or cause of death (this information
can only be changed by a physician or coroner).

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdeathmar/Documents/Affidavit-DeathPAMPHLET-(01-14)-MERGED.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

And it is likely that Jonah Shacknai, who loves\ed his children more than anything, (according to everything we know about him), would have cut Rebecca out of his life entirely after Max's accident - whether she was found responsible by CPS, or not.

JMO.

It is likely because that is a reaction to be expected. I think any parent would immediately kick girlfriend/boyfriend to the curb the moment the doctor told them the story was inconsistent with their child's injuries. I'd really question a parent's state of mind who would prefer to have such a person remain in their life....especially if there were other children in the household. I simply can't imagine the pain and guilt that JS must still feel over leaving MS in RZ's care.

JMO

 

[screecher]

Do you heckle everyone who makes a typo or minor error? July 13 is the date in the ME's report. He didn't use days of the week. That's my very minor error. Doesn't matter if it was Wednesday or Thursday, the day BEFORE RZ's death is irrelevant to the wrongful death case.

JMO

Heckle? Are you freakin' serious?

You've made 5, FIVE posts stating a day and date in these threads that are blatantly incorrect and misleading.

How the hell anyone could not know the day, date and year of Rebecca's killing, after following this case and posting in these threads for years, is something I'm unable to comprehend. For crying out loud, it is one of the BASIC ELEMENTS of the wrongful death suit! Not a freakin' minor error. Your posts are reading like Gore's 'investigation'. I'm going back to the IB.

:facepalm:

 

[justice be served]

Heckle? Are you freakin' serious?

You've made 5, FIVE posts stating a day and date in these threads that are blatantly incorrect and misleading.

How the hell anyone could not know the day, date and year of Rebecca's killing, after following this case and posting in these threads for years, is something I'm unable to comprehend. For crying out loud, it is one of the BASIC ELEMENTS of the wrongful death suit! Not a freakin' minor error. Your posts are reading like Gore's 'investigation'. I'm going back to the IB.

:facepalm:

THUVM Screecher! And continually stating "the day before isn't relevant" is mind boggling though the purpose is more than obvious. Au contraire - the flavor of the year.:bang::bang:

 

[justice be served]

It is likely because that is a reaction to be expected. I think any parent would immediately kick girlfriend/boyfriend to the curb the moment the doctor told them the story was inconsistent with their child's injuries. I'd really question a parent's state of mind who would prefer to have such a person remain in their life....especially if there were other children in the household. I simply can't imagine the pain and guilt that JS must still feel over leaving MS in RZ's care.

JMO

Let's not forget that early news reports - later redacted - placed those 'other children' at the scene of Max's accident. The smoke from that fire simply won't go away. Again, lots of threads to go back and read.:waitasec:

 

[screecher]

Yeppers. :bang:

 

[Hoosgirl]

In reference to the autopsy report, it states date and time of death as 7/13/11 at 6:48, yet in the same section states last seen alive as 7/13/11 at 21:50, which I assume is an error. However, under date and time of "incident" it states 7/--/11 unk.

 

[justice be served]

In reference to the autopsy report, it states date and time of death as 7/13/11 at 6:48, yet in the same section states last seen alive as 7/13/11 at 21:50, which I assume is an error. However, under date and time of "incident" it states 7/--/11 unk.

Thank you for pointing this out. This is just one indication of the sloppy investigation IMO. IIRC the autopsy report was changed and then dated the day before the press conference was held by SDSO. Lots of questionable antics by SDSO.

Can't wait to see the deposition and/or trial testimony of Angela Tsuida - the detective who initially was assigned to the case and then presumably reassigned. I would imagine that under oath she must disclose any confirmation bias that took place within the department to force a suicide ruling.

 

[justice be served]

Hoosgirl, I would thank you but my thank you button won't work half the time. I have had huge problems with this site for the last week or so regardless if I'm on 2 different computers and 2 different iPads. Frustrating.

 

[IQuestion]

Doesn't matter what the family wants after that death certificate is filed with the state by the ME's office. Yep, it is a medical opinion that a court WILL NOT change because it is an expert opinion that involved a law enforcement investigation and thorough autopsy. The medical opinion of suicide is now a matter of public record and can't be changed and I don't see the coroner doing that.
JMO
The VS 24 form cannot be used to:
--Change the informant that
is listed on the original death
certificate.

--Correct the date, time, place, or cause of death (this information
can only be changed by a physician or coroner).

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdeathmar/Documents/Affidavit-DeathPAMPHLET-(01-14)-MERGED.pdf

Mybelle, "YEP, IT IS A MEDICAL OPINION" (It feels good to have a mutual agreement once in a long while?)
And of course, I read the info on the attached link and realized it is VERY SIMPLE TO CHANGE/AMEND a death certificate....AND BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR $23 Fee if more than one year and $21 FEE for extra copies.

Changing the death certificate ONLY REQUIRES SUPPORTING AFFIDAVITS AND 2 SIGNATURES....wow...That would be on Pg 4. (I am unable to cut and paste so I'll just type the exact wording,
"When correcting the date of date, time, place or cause of death: Only the physician, coroner or medical examiner can amend these items."

I am thinking Dr. J Melinek's fees were awfully expensive, knowing in advance, her work could only generate more questions....and NOT change the death certificate
absolutely astounding. You know what, I am really rethinking this.
Do you think, and this is a serious question..... someone desperately wanted the death certificates issued as accidental (MS) and suicide (RZ) and made part of the public record, knowing in advance, they would be difficult/cumbersome to change???
BTW: I know first hand, certificates are OFTEN issued with wrong dates on them....I am looking at one right now!

 

[screecher]

Let's not forget that early news reports - later redacted - placed those 'other children' at the scene of Max's accident. The smoke from that fire simply won't go away. Again, lots of threads to go back and read.:waitasec:

Hmmm. Wonder if the videos would show the teenagers????

In reference to the autopsy report, it states date and time of death as 7/13/11 at 6:48, yet in the same section states last seen alive as 7/13/11 at 21:50, which I assume is an error. However, under date and time of "incident" it states 7/--/11 unk.

Seems as though the LE and MEs in San Diego all went to the same school. "School of How To Do The Least Amount of Work and Still Keep Your Job"

Thank you for pointing this out. This is just one indication of the sloppy investigation IMO. IIRC the autopsy report was changed and then dated the day before the press conference was held by SDSO. Lots of questionable antics by SDSO.

Can't wait to see the deposition and/or trial testimony of Angela Tsuida - the detective who initially was assigned to the case and then presumably reassigned. I would imagine that under oath she must disclose any confirmation bias that took place within the department to force a suicide ruling.

They are lazy and inept. But in Rebecca's case, imo, they used that reputation, to their advantage. Remember, to the first responders who came on scene, the statement was something like 'a violent and suspicious scene'. I think every step along the way was confirmation bias. A very deliberate act. Because of who Rebecca was, because of who she was living with, but mostly because of what happened the previous Monday morning, July 11, 2011.

 

[IQuestion]

In reference to the autopsy report, it states date and time of death as 7/13/11 at 6:48, yet in the same section states last seen alive as 7/13/11 at 21:50, which I assume is an error. However, under date and time of "incident" it states 7/--/11 unk.

Great Catch HOOSGIRL!! You have all of us wanting to look over the dates again. You know sometimes "IN A RUSH TO JUDGMENT" or as I like to say, "HURRY UP, OUR PRESS CONFERENCE IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!" it looks awfully strange when the paperwork (less than 8 weeks to complete) is remiss with errors.
Or maybe the brash young M.E. hadn't been TOLD what to put down for that date, yet???? :couch:

 

[screecher]

^^^Exactly. Yeah, someone was telling him all along the way...beginning before arrival at the mansion to doing a cursory autopsy (hence, Angela Tsuida's absence) followed by his 'findings' and final write-up. imo, of course.

hmmm. wonder if he is one of the 'doe s'?

 

[Zinn]

In reference to the autopsy report, it states date and time of death as 7/13/11 at 6:48, yet in the same section states last seen alive as 7/13/11 at 21:50, which I assume is an error. However, under date and time of "incident" it states 7/--/11 unk.

My best guess here is that 21:50 relates to Rebecca's final live phone conversation on 7/12/11 that can be documented by an outside party (sister MZL, maybe?) and 6:48 on 7/13/11 documents the time she was officially declared dead upon examination by first medical responders. As others have mentioned, Rebecca's body showed signs of being dead for at least a few hours upon examination by emergency services personnel at 6:48 on 7/13/11. Therefore, IMO, the relevant block of time related to the "incident," which could have been brief or very prolonged, depending on whether torture preceded death, likely occurred sometime between 7/12/11 at 21:50 and 7/13/11 at 3:48.

All of the above is just my opinion.