Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #4

[Betty P]

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Since the filing of their lawsuit, the Zahaus attorneys have brought forward a number of troubling facts. Most recently, it was revealed that the noose tied around Rebecca ' s neck had a somewhat rare, specialized knot called a "tugboat hitch" knot. It's a complex knot not known to be used in suicide by hanging. It's used primarily to hitch tugboats to large dockside posts. It's interesting to note the detail of the noose was not revealed in the autopsy report, nor was it photographed or replicated in any of SDSO'S reconstruction reports.

It was also revealed that all the clothing Rebecca was wearing just before her death is missing. How did that happen? The victim's clothing is high priority evidence in investigating a violent, suspicious death, yet no mention is made of the fact that it's missing.

Cases are routinely re opened by LE even when no new evidence is revealed. They're often reviewed to take a new look at existing evidence or to reexamine alternate theories. This website is full of such examples.

 

[burke_dennings]

RE: the allegation in Mary Suii Zahau Hoecker/Loehner's lawsuit about nautical knots:

18. The final scheme agreed to that evening by the Defendants involved
binding DECEDENT&#8217;s hands (behind her back) and ankles with rope they found at
the residence.

Plaintiffs allege that based on the knots having nautical qualities and
ADAM being a tug boat captain with experience tying nautical knots, that ADAM
bound the DECEDENT*

*http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/Zahau-Amended-Complaint.pdf


San Diego County Sheriff's Office response to questions about the knots:

How did she learn these complex knots?

We don&#8217;t believe she did.

These knots were not as complex as they have been made out to be, which is what we discovered when we attempted to recreate the knots on Rebecca&#8217;s wrists.

Simply stated, this is one of those questions which will most likely never be answered with any certainty.


http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

 

[*Lash*]

New post in the lawyer thread -

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...LAWYERS-No-Discussion&p=12293888#post12293888

It appears Dina is appealing the dismissal of the Federal Suit.

Case: 15-56805, 12/03/2015

https://www.pacer.gov

 

[bourne]

New post in the lawyer thread -

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...LAWYERS-No-Discussion&p=12293888#post12293888

It appears Dina is appealing the dismissal of the Federal Suit.

Case: 15-56805, 12/03/2015

https://www.pacer.gov

Apparently another one of Dina's thinly veiled deceptive maneuvers to stall the WDS case in the state level. SMH

 

[kimi_SFC]

It might be difficult for the Zahau's to produce evidence of what Dina was wearing since SDSO does not have her on the Rady's video surveillance tape.

This is crucial and cannot be understated. The GPS is does not unequivocally mean Dina was in possession of the phone. She wasn't microchipped. The quote *Lash* posted didn't make it over, but you can see it for yourself. It does not exist. If it did, we would be hearing it shouted from the mountaintops.
:twocents:


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[LuckyLucy2]

If the Zahau's can produce evidence in court showing Dina Shacknai wearing a short sleeve striped shirt carrying a large black bag, this would bolster the witnesses testimony that it was Dina he had seen at the mansion that night.

Taken from Nina Romano's interview and a witness who has alleged to have seen Dina Shacknai at the mansion that night. There are discrepancies between her and his account of that evening.

&#8226; 9:41 pm vs 10:41 pm text message
&#8226; Nina's 10:00 pm timeline vs 10:20 pm sighting of a woman at the mansion
&#8226; Witness described seeing a woman carrying a large black bag vs a small pink wristlet
&#8226; Witness described seeing a woman with long dark hair vs medium length blonde hair
&#8226; Witness described seeing a short sleeve stripped shirt vs a gray jacket


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

Let's pretend for a moment that the Zahaus COULD prove Dina was wearing those clothes that night...that still DOES NOT PUT HER IN THE COURTYARD OR HANGING ROOM where ONLY REBECCA ZAHAU'S DNA and FINGERPRINTS were found.

And it is very telling that Mrs. Haager Witness is not being called to testify. SHE also originally claimed to have seen this mysterious person. Why is SHE not being called? Does she just refuse to LIE under oath?

I do hope that InParadise has been deposed to explain her relationship to Mr. Haager. She needs to explain HOW she - an avid poster in this case and certified insider - happens to KNOW the only witness for the Zahaus.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Since the filing of their lawsuit, the Zahaus attorneys have brought forward a number of troubling facts. Most recently, it was revealed that the noose tied around Rebecca ' s neck had a somewhat rare, specialized knot called a "tugboat hitch" knot. It's a complex knot not known to be used in suicide by hanging. It's used primarily to hitch tugboats to large dockside posts. It's interesting to note the detail of the noose was not revealed in the autopsy report, nor was it photographed or replicated in any of SDSO'S reconstruction reports.

It was also revealed that all the clothing Rebecca was wearing just before her death is missing. How did that happen? The victim's clothing is high priority evidence in investigating a violent, suspicious death, yet no mention is made of the fact that it's missing.

Cases are routinely re opened by LE even when no new evidence is revealed. They're often reviewed to take a new look at existing evidence or to reexamine alternate theories. This website is full of such examples.

Sorry, but the Medical Examiner and LE that ACTUALLY SAW THE KNOTS said they were SIMPLE SLIP KNOTS. The Zahaus and their followers can say they were "rare tug hitch knots" but that doesn't make it TRUE.

What is TRUE is that Becky's DNA was found on the INSIDE OF THE KNOTS proving that SHE is the one that tied them.

And we know that Beckys clothes are NOT MISSING from the answers MZL gave in her deposition. Yet ANOTHER lie by the Zahaus.

This case will never be reopened. Rebecca's death was a SUICIDE and will be known throughout history as a nude, crazy, SUICIDE.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Hi LuckyLucy2,

We have learned from following this case a motion for summary judgment must be filed for a summary judgment hearing. Has Adam filed a motion for summary judgment? TIA

It is my understanding that he has and that the Summary Judgement will be heard next month.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Apparently another one of Dina's thinly veiled deceptive maneuvers to stall the WDS case in the state level. SMH

Filing something in the Federal case is going to stall the state case? RIDICULOUS LOGIC.

 

[burke_dennings]

Sorry, but the Medical Examiner and LE that ACTUALLY SAW THE KNOTS said they were SIMPLE SLIP KNOTS. The Zahaus and their followers can say they were "rare tug hitch knots" but that doesn't make it TRUE.

What is TRUE is that Becky's DNA was found on the INSIDE OF THE KNOTS proving that SHE is the one that tied them.

And we know that Beckys clothes are NOT MISSING from the answers MZL gave in her deposition. Yet ANOTHER lie by the Zahaus.

This case will never be reopened. Rebecca's death was a SUICIDE and will be known throughout history as a nude, crazy, SUICIDE.

On Dr. Phil SE11 EP09 Mary Suii Zahau Hoecker/Loehner sat next next to her husband Doug Loehner, Traffic Officer with the St. Joseph Missouri Police Department, and told a lie about the height of balcony railing that Becky jumped over.

On the show, MZL claimed that the balcony railing came up to Becky's CHEST.

Becky was 63" tall and the balcony railing was 35" high.

That's hip to waist to high.


A picture of the balcony railing can be viewed below:

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rzbalcony.jpg


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[LuckyLucy2]

Big case gives Lawton experience

Lawton said Republic is a safe place. But if the sleepy town ever wakes up to a gruesome whodunit, Lawton has some relevant experience.

Five years ago, a high-profile death captured the attention of the national media, and Lawton was one of the people leading the investigation.

Media outlets descended on Coronado in 2011 to cover the bizarre death of Rebecca Zahau, who was found naked, hanging from a balcony, with her wrists and ankles bound.

Zahau's death came two days after a young boy in her care fell from a staircase balcony and died.

Some family members speculated that Zahau's death was a revenge murder, but Lawton &#8212; and other investigators on the case &#8212; eventually determined the death was a suicide.

There is still some ongoing civil litigation connected to the case.

"The best determination, with all of the evidence that we had, is that it was not a murder, as many people wanted it to be," Lawton said. "I stand by that position today. I know there are a lot of different opinions about it, but I stand by that position."

Lawton said working that case was good from an experience standpoint, and it makes him more prepared for the challenging cases he might see in southwest Missouri.

"I'm not looking for a case like that here in Republic," Lawton said. "I think I have had my fill of a national case. I want to use that experience to better myself for the smaller, local cases here."

Lawton said he still gets questions about the Zahau case, and it came up when he interviewed for the Republic job.

"I can't forget it, because everybody else remembers it," Lawton said. "It's really a sad case."


http://www.news-leader.com/story/ne...-chief-charts-new-future-department/78676452/

 

[LuckyLucy2]

On Dr. Phil SE11 EP09 Mary Suii Zahau Hoecker/Loehner sat next next to her husband Doug Loehner, Traffic Officer with the St. Joseph Missouri Police Department, and told a lie about the height of balcony railing that Becky jumped over.

On the show, MZL claimed that the balcony railing came up to Becky's CHEST.

Becky was 63" tall and the balcony railing was 35" high.

That's hip to waist to high.


A picture of the balcony railing can be viewed below:

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rzbalcony.jpg


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And about the LIE that Rebecca's clothes were missing? Here is one of the questions that Mary Zahau Loehner REFUSED that answer that Judge Bacall has now COMPELLED her to answer...

51. So because you don't have the clothes, you believe that somebody threw them out? And because you don't have the clothes, you believe that that somebody is one of the three defendants?


Man, that woman is cray-cray.

 

[SweetT]

If the Zahau's can produce evidence in court showing Dina Shacknai wearing a short sleeve striped shirt carrying a large black bag, this would bolster the witnesses testimony that it was Dina he had seen at the mansion that night.

Taken from Nina Romano's interview and a witness who has alleged to have seen Dina Shacknai at the mansion that night. There are discrepancies between her and his account of that evening.

• 9:41 pm vs 10:41 pm text message
• Nina's 10:00 pm timeline vs 10:20 pm sighting of a woman at the mansion
• Witness described seeing a woman carrying a large black bag vs a small pink wristlet
• Witness described seeing a woman with long dark hair vs medium length blonde hair
• Witness described seeing a short sleeve stripped shirt vs a gray jacket











http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

Isnt eyewitness testimony like this considered one of the least believable especially in court cases etc? Seems I've read that here on WS before.

 

[BBL]

It might be difficult for the Zahau's to produce evidence of what Dina was wearing since SDSO does not have her on the Rady's video surveillance tape.

Ah, but someone might be able to describe what she was wearing earlier that day. Brilliant.

 

[xheraldina]

Mary Suii Zahau Hoecker/Loehner and her various attorneys have not produced a single piece of new evidence in the case during the last 4.5 years.

In a May 2013 news conference, Zahau family attorneys David Fleck and Marty Rudoy, said they believe there was no evidence to support the investigation&#8217;s finding that Zahau committed suicide.

Ignoring the fact that:

Only BECKY'S DNA was found on the rope

BECKY'S fingerprints were found on the guest bed where the rope had been tied, as well as on the knives used to cut the rope and on the tube of paint
used to write the message.

BECKY's footprints alone were found outside on the balcony.

San Diego County Sheriff's Office responded to the press conference:

Homicide Lt. Glenn Giannantonio said Wednesday that the department thoroughly investigated the case and stands by its conclusion.

He said investigators would only consider reopening the case if there was some actual evidence brought forth to indicate that was warranted.

&#8220;We&#8217;re not going to open the case on speculation or public opinion or somebody holding a news conference,&#8221; Giannantonio said.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2013/may/08/zahau-family-evidence-controversial-death/

"Only BECKY'S DNA was found on the rope"
Then there is something very wrong with this evidence.
Someone has produced this rope. Someone has transported it to the store. Someone has sold it and by doing it, touched it.
If there is no other DNA, it means that this rope has not been checked properly.
I am not trying to be smart, but this is a common sense.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ DNA doesn't last forever on something. Perhaps you might want to read up on how it deteriorates. Because Rebecca's - and only Rebecca's DNA was found on the rope and INSIDE of the knots - it PROVES SHE - and ONLY SHE tied those ropes.


And the Zahaus claim that Adam carried the hundred-pound Rebecca around like she was a rag doll, touching the door, paint brushes, bed frame where the rope was tied, ropes - and inside the knots! - may be the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Ah, but someone might be able to describe what she was wearing earlier that day. Brilliant.

And exactly HOW would that place her IN THE COURTYARD OR BALCONY ROOM???

:gaah:

 

[xheraldina]

^ DNA doesn't last forever on something. Perhaps you might want to read up on how it deteriorates. Because Rebecca's - and only Rebecca's DNA was found on the rope and INSIDE of the knots - it PROVES SHE - and ONLY SHE tied those ropes.


And the Zahaus claim that Adam carried the hundred-pound Rebecca around like she was a rag doll, touching the door, paint brushes, bed frame where the rope was tied, ropes - and inside the knots! - may be the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

No, Adam didn't need to do that.
Rebecca lived there and she touched things where she lived.
The problem is that the others used black gloves and didn't leave evidence.

 

[xheraldina]

And exactly HOW would that place her IN THE COURTYARD OR BALCONY ROOM???

:gaah:

So please place her at RADU where her son was fighting for the last breath!

 

[LuckyLucy2]

No, Adam didn't need to do that.
Rebecca lived there and she touched things where she lived.
The problem is that the others used black gloves and didn't leave evidence.

Riiiggghhttt. Rebecca "just happened" to touch all of those things" leaving DNA and fingerprints. Just HOW did the three master-minds manage to know where REBECCA'S DNA was???? How did they know where THEIR DNA WAS so they could wipe it off???

Just HOW did they get it on the INSIDE of the knots???

Impossible and so far-fetched it is laughable. Did never happen, and could never happen. No Way. No How.

No, what happened is Rebecca Zahau hung herself, as demonstated by a law student for a San Diego news agency. It took her less than 30 MINUTES to complete the task.