Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #87

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  • #101
The letter is undated..

I'd like to know how commonly did she handwrite letters to him. If there is no history of such, I'd say it could show she was trying to avoid any electronic record of the letter.
 
  • #102
Can someone call the DV hotline if they're having a rage episode and are needing someone to help them feel grounded again? (I assume that, like a panic attack, naming five things you can see, four things you can smell etc and other similar strategies would work)
Where I live - yes, hotlines exist for this. Dialing 911 is not a great idea unless there's more than emotion (rage). At least, no one responds - I'd use our local non-emergency line if I heard someone raging within my hearing.

Where I live, it takes way too long to get a response from hotlines, though. It's very sad.

IMO.
 
  • #103
I am floored by this thread. I raised two daughters. Neither was encouraged to evade responsibility from the law (let's fade it, the law is a hard line - I would have sought major professional help if my daughters had been any more rule-breaking than they already were).

Have not raised sons. Know lots of men and boys, though. I've never known any families who tried to protect ill-behaving offspring, much less law-breaking offspring.

I feel old.

IMO.
 
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  • #105
I'm trying to give this mother every benefit of doubt and reading it as a letter filled with expressions of love. And it is, in my opinion, expressing unconditional love that only has to be relayed when under dire circumstances. "I love you no matter what."
Her references to shovels, disposal of a body, bringing a bag, and prison are not phrases used to "express the depths of their love" to a loved one as she professes.
And then to seal it with the instructions to burn after reading? No, there's no need to destroy a love letter unless it includes something that should remain hidden. And that's not love.
Roberta's attempted explanation fails for me. All MOO.
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  • #106
I'm trying to give this mother every benefit of doubt and reading it as a letter filled with expressions of love. And it is, in my opinion, expressing unconditional love that only has to be relayed when under dire circumstances. "I love you no matter what."
Her references to shovels, disposal of a body, bringing a bag, and prison are not phrases used to "express the depths of their love" to a loved one as she professes.
And then to seal it with the instructions to burn after reading? No, there's no need to destroy a love letter unless it includes something that should remain hidden. And that's not love.
Roberta's attempted explanation fails for me. All MOO.
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That a mother has to publicly justify a letter written to her now dead son (regardless of the circumstances surrounding that death), is IMO,disgusting.
 
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Just catching up here. Who made the letter public, the Petito's? If so, that is so sad, that they are still wanting to try this case in the public, trying to "shame" the Laundrie parents, IMO.
 
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Brian Entin wrote -

"Sent to me by Petito family attorney."

How sad, the judge could have ordered them not to try this case in the media, but he didn't, and it didn't take long for the Petito's to do just that.
 
  • #109
That a mother has to publicly justify a letter written to her now dead son (regardless of the circumstances surrounding that death), is IMO,disgusting.
@Nikynoo normally I would agree with you. But why is her son dead? Because he murdered someone’s daughter. I find Roberta Laundrie disgusting. I wouldn’t be surprised if his parents gave him the gun and told him to go somewhere and end this.
 
  • #110
I am floored by this thread. I raised two daughters. Neither was encouraged to evade responsibility from the law (let's fade it, the law is a hard line - I would have sought major professional help if my daughters had been any more rule-breaking than they already were).

Have not raised sons. Know lots of men and boys, though. I've never known any families who tried to protect ill-behaving offspring, much less law-breaking offspring.

I feel old.

IMO.
Agree! I am appalled by the Laundries.
 
  • #111
Brian Entin wrote -

"Sent to me by Petito family attorney."

How sad, the judge could have ordered them not to try this case in the media, but he didn't, and it didn't take long for the Petito's to do just that.
What? Why didn’t the Laundries stand up and teach their son to be responsible. Wow.
 
  • #112
What? Why didn’t the Laundries stand up and teach their son to be responsible. Wow.
They are victims, too, both of their sons' actions, and their loss.
 
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Brian Entin wrote -

"Sent to me by Petito family attorney."

How sad, the judge could have ordered them not to try this case in the media, but he didn't, and it didn't take long for the Petito's to do just that.

The Laundries attorney said he didn't care if it wasn't confidential.

You can watch the hearing here

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  • #115
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Her son is a murderer. She covered for him. That alone makes her disgusting. She hid the truth from Gabbys parents, that makes her disgusting. She wrote a letter telling him she would bring a shovel and bags. That sounds like a conspiracy. THAT is disgusting.
 
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  • #116
BBM

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. RL writing the letter after Brian returned to Florida seems to be the claim the P's are making. (In other words, that the letter was written when the L's knew G was dead in early Sept and knew the whereabouts of her body. Hence they caused the P's distress.)

But why would RL write to BL after he returned to Florida from Wyoming and say "Bring a shovel. Help bury the body"? (Things the P's attorney claim the letter said.) It just makes no sense to me. And lots of things about that scenario don't make sense to me:

1. It doesn't make sense RL would put a serious offer to help bury a body in a letter. Some things are hard to talk about and sometimes writing is easier. But the only way the letter can mean what the P's claim it does is if B had already talked to RL about Gabby's death. I'm not at all convinced that happened. But the hypothetical scenario of RL offering aid in a coverup only works if he'd told her G was dead. And it's only legally relevant to the emotional distress lawsuit if it was written after G was dead and the L's knew she was dead seems to me. If B and RL had already talked about G's death before the letter was written, why start writing to plan a coverup? Why not keep talking? Writing is more risky even with burn instructions.

2. It doesn't make sense she'd write that sort of letter to BL to offer help in a criminal coverup if he was living in the house with her. On the other hand, writing a sort of combination relationship repair/goodbye letter to him when he and G were living there and leaving shortly made sense. B&G may have been joined at the hip whenever they were home so RL may not have seen B alone much. And for all she knew, they might come back from their trip married. Or they might have decided to settle down out west. Or maybe they were considering a move to NY as the NPPD spokesperson claimed. Even without the tragic outcome, it could have been the last time she could talk to "her baby." Hence the references to childhood books.

Some here have suggested she sent the letter to B in Wyoming offering to help after he called her to confess to killing G. But realistically that can't work. There's just not enough time. So IF the letter refers to G's death, it seems it had to be delivered to him in Florida.

We know it's been reported BL and RL left the house together sometimes after he returned to Florida-- to bike, shop, and so on. They had plenty of opportunities to talk. If they thought the house was bugged, that meant they thought LE was watching. So why write a letter to hatch a criminal plot with LE watching? Or was the goal to keep CL from knowing? If so, exactly how was RL going to help B bury G 2400 miles away?

3. It doesn't make sense she'd direct him to buy a shovel to help her bury a body. Wasn't the P's claim that she'd offered to help him? That's not what the reported words say--- "Bring a shovel. Help bury the body." If those things were merely included in a list of things she'd willingly to do for him-- climb the highest mountain, cross the widest sea....it would be pretty clear from the full context the scenarios weren't referring to real life. That it was just a horrible coincidence.

4. Criminals do make mistakes. But IF RL was really offering to help B cover up a crime, I'd think she'd have been worried about LE finding that letter even if it had said burn it. Why didn't she ask if B had destroyed it after the van was seized? Or search for it and destroy it after B left the house? Maybe she tried but it wouldn't seem the entire house would have required searching-- just B's room. Personally I don't think she gave the letter a second thought A) because it had been written months before, not days before. She might have even forgotten she wrote it. B) it was totally innocent.

5. As I said, personally I am not convinced the L's knew Gabby was dead. But if RL knew, was she proposing that she and B drive back to Wyoming in early Sept and bury her? It would take days to get there and back. How was that going to work with the 3-day camping trip to Ft. DeSoto that was already planned? Or were they going to fly out quickly carrying a shovel with them? (That would hardly be inconspicuous and they'd have to fly under their real names.) Both scenarios-- driving or flying--seem incredibly unlikely to me. But if a return to Wyoming was supposed to happen, why doesn't the letter say that? Or contain hints of that? The P's attorney would undoubtedly remember if it had and the FBI would have been interested too. And if the letter doesn't mention returning to Wyoming, how can the shovel scenario really be thought to refer to burying G? Or is it the case no one really thinks it does refer to her death but it seems callous anyway? So someone who would write those things in jest might actually do other things? Is it really "bad character" or "propensity" evidence?

While rumors suggest the letter was found with B's body, RL denies that and indirectly the P's attorney does too. He says the letter had been in the van but was found in the L's house during the Sept search.

It doesn't make any sense the attorney knew it had been in the van. If it had been there, BL obviously didn't tell him. Neither did the L's. And LE wouldn't have taken stuff out of the van, looked through it to catalog it, and put it in the L's house when the van was seized. So it makes no sense the attorney knew it had been in the van (if it even ever was) but was found in the house. From the time anything was first written about the letter, RL and Bertolino have maintained she wrote it before B&G left on their trip. B could taken it with him on the trip. In the very small van G might have known about the letter and might have shared that knowledge in some way (was it seen in a photo, did she journal about it? Mention it to family? Could that be how the attorney knows it had been in the van?) Or B could have left it at home in his room where LE found it and the attorney is blowing smoke or just honestly mistaken. But no matter what, LE had the letter early on. They don't seem to have taken the letter as a serious coverup offer.
JMO
I believe she wrote it with knowledge he killed Gabby or was intending to. Either way, her words are very sick. Maybe LE felt sorry for RL as a lot of posters here do. I just see her for someone who was cold and cruel about Gabby, dead or alive, and very cruel to her parents because RL knew what her son had done. And a mother who genuinely loved her son won’t cover up murder for him. She would stand by him and encourage him to do the right thing.
 
  • #117
And that's a critical question given the $50 million lawsuit against Moab is for Gabby's wrongful death, the claim being the police and the city are responsible for GP's death hundreds of miles away weeks later.

Is it possible if BL had gone to jail for the night in Moab GP would have left him and gone safely back to NY? It's possible. Not likely IMO but possible. Yet she didn't leave when they were separated the night of the incident. She had the van and he was in a hotel that night. (Personally I suspect they both ended up at the hotel but we don't know that.) She likely could have gotten a flight out-- we know she had at least $1000 in a bank account. And she didn't leave when he went to Florida a few days later and she stayed in a SLC hotel for 5 days. So I'm not sure a one-night detention would have made a difference. And as I said earlier, NS told the Daily Mail the Moab incident was "irrelevant" and just an ordinary travelers' argument.
JMO
Women who are abused don’t usually leave. I wish they did!
 
  • #118
MOO the letter written by Roberta Laundrie was written during the Fort DeSoto trip after Brian got back to North Port. Going to jail and hiding a body would not be relevant before leaving for the start of their trip.
 
  • #119
It matters when the letter was written, but I do find the letter problematic regardless. It’s not typical language used between mother and child, it’s offering to cover up a potential murder. A murder that, it turns out, did then happen.

Taking her at her word that it was written before the trip, she kept whatever information she had from Gabby’s parents, and by doing so, allowed them false hope. They had no reason to think BL was a threat to Gabby, but I think this shows RL did. That is causing unnecessary emotional distress - imo. Because it’s not typical language. What made her use the very specific examples of murdering someone and going to jail? It either aged very poorly, or she knew BL was capable of doing exactly what he then did. And she didn’t inform Gabby’s family of that.

If the letter was written AFTER the murder, there’s additional issues.

She didn’t kill Gabby, but it does matter what she knew and when she knew it in respect to this lawsuit.

IMO.
 
  • #120
Being from North Port I feel like this case never left me. I plan to attend the civil trial next year.
 

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