Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #87

[heartandsoul]

My impression is that the Laundrie's are hardworking Americans who started their own business and work hard to make ends meet. Brian Laundrie was an adult and chose his actions. His sister, on the other hand, is married, owns a home, raising two sweet children. I am not sure why we are specuating on the "morality" of the parents or their responsibiity and accountability. They may be more private than some on here would like them to be, but no different than many other American families.

I'm not american, but personally, they don't strike me as a regular family. That letter in itself sets their dynamics apart - and I do not come from a "regular" family with healthy dynamics either. I am speculating on the parents' morality, responsibility, and accountability because it may just be the closest to justice anyone will get for Gabby. Sometimes, just saying "You deserved better" is enough. No one will ever be able to say it to Gabby, but I can put those words out there, and mean them. Gabby, you deserved better.

 

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[ch_13]

Obviously opinions vary on this topic. None of us know the facts at this point. No evidence of the P's claims has yet been presented in court (the Complaint itself is not evidence.) So all we have are opinions. That's going to be true until the case is heard in court.
JMO

I think we can make some reasonable inferences. The Petito's have long stated that the Laundrie's refused to speak with them, even to the point of releasing a letter on September 16, 2021 begging for their help. It was widely reported back at the time of the disappearance that the Laundrie's had clammed up, and their lawyer was answering 'no comment' when asked about Gabby. We even know that the Laundrie's refused to speak with their own daughter.

Based on their behavior and the fact that they also neglected to report that Brian was missing to give him a multi-day head start on running from the authorities, I think it's sensible to conclude that the Laundrie's had blocked the Petito's and were refusing to communicate with them.

 

[10ofRods]

The parents are accused, in a tort action, of intentional infliction of emotional distress, as I understand it. That's a serious claim and definitely a claim that the parents acted unethically, amorally and even cruelly. To me, cruelty is a major moral failing.

imo

 

[NCWatcher]

I think we can make some reasonable inferences. The Petito's have long stated that the Laundrie's refused to speak with them, even to the point of releasing a letter on September 16, 2021 begging for their help. It was widely reported back at the time of the disappearance that the Laundrie's had clammed up, and their lawyer was answering 'no comment' when asked about Gabby. We even know that the Laundrie's refused to speak with their own daughter.

Based on their behavior and the fact that they also neglected to report that Brian was missing to give him a multi-day head start on running from the authorities, I think it's sensible to conclude that the Laundrie's had blocked the Petito's and were refusing to communicate with them.

Rather than make what you call inferences, I prefer to see what the evidence shows when the civil suit goes to court. For example, will the evidence show the P's phone numbers were ever blocked on the L's cell phone? We can't know one way or the other right now. I'm also not sure what the Laundries' daughter has to do with anything at this point. She has said her parents told her they were advised not to talk to anyone about the situation by their attorney. One can believe that was bad advice but most people would agree taking advice from an attorney is generally a very good idea. And not talking about the situation included not talking with Cassie. Why is that an issue?

Besides not really understanding why Cassie's interactions with her parents would be an issue, I don't really see why Cassie is at all a part of it now. At one point Joe P did tell Dr. Phil he tried to call Cassie in early Sept to see if she knew where GP was but apparently Cassie and her family were at DisneyWorld that day. She told reporters her phone log did not show any calls. Was she supposed to be blocking calls from any Petito phone too? That seems pretty unlikely. Gabby Petito Case: Brian Laundrie's Sister, Cassie, Claims She Didn't Get Phone Calls from Joseph Petito

We don't know why the L's waited 4 days to report BL missing except that he was an adult, not a child. But we do know they reported him missing days before a warrant was issued for his arrest. So to say he was "running from authorities" when he left their house isn't truly accurate. And despite all the published claims from various people saying BK was alive well into Oct, from the final FBI report and autopsy, that wasn't true either-- he didn't run anywhere but the swamp where he died in a day or two from suicide.

So lots of wrong info out there. We'll see what happens in court.
JMO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The parents are accused, in a tort action, of intentional infliction of emotional distress, as I understand it. That's a serious claim and definitely a claim that the parents acted unethically, amorally and even cruelly. To me, cruelty is a major moral failing.

imo

Thank you, 10ofRods! I couldn't find the words to tie it into our judicial system. Your experience/education is so well balanced and a gift to us here at WS!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Rather than make what you call inferences, I prefer to see what the evidence shows when the civil suit goes to court. For example, will the evidence show the P's phone numbers were ever blocked on the L's cell phone? We can't know one way or the other right now. I'm also not sure what the Laundries' daughter has to do with anything at this point. She has said her parents told her they were advised not to talk to anyone about the situation by their attorney. One can believe that was bad advice but most people would agree taking advice from an attorney is generally a very good idea. And not talking about the situation included not talking with Cassie. Why is that an issue?

Besides not really understanding why Cassie's interactions with her parents would be an issue, I don't really see why Cassie is at all a part of it now. At one point Joe P did tell Dr. Phil he tried to call Cassie in early Sept to see if she knew where GP was but apparently Cassie and her family were at DisneyWorld that day. She told reporters her phone log did not show any calls. Was she supposed to be blocking calls from any Petito phone too? That seems pretty unlikely. Gabby Petito Case: Brian Laundrie's Sister, Cassie, Claims She Didn't Get Phone Calls from Joseph Petito

We don't know why the L's waited 4 days to report BL missing except that he was an adult, not a child. But we do know they reported him missing days before a warrant was issued for his arrest. So to say he was "running from authorities" when he left their house isn't truly accurate. And despite all the published claims from various people saying BK was alive well into Oct, from the final FBI report and autopsy, that wasn't true either-- he didn't run anywhere but the swamp where he died in a day or two from suicide.

So lots of wrong info out there. We'll see what happens in court.
JM

This discussion was primarily regarding Roberta and Chris, Brian's parent. Not his sister so I am not addressing that at this time.
But I will say that it is fruitless to argue whether or not phones have been block or by whom - when there was such a public outcry from not only Gabby's parents but the public and media about where Gabby was.
Gosh, if even I knew her parents were begging the Laundries for information, please don't excuse them for not giving it because they didn't know (their phone might have been blocked?) that the Petito family was concerned.
That holds no water.

 

[NCWatcher]

This discussion was primarily regarding Roberta and Chris, Brian's parent. Not his sister so I am not addressing that at this time.
But I will say that it is fruitless to argue whether or not phones have been block or by whom - when there was such a public outcry from not only Gabby's parents but the public and media about where Gabby was.
Gosh, if even I knew her parents were begging the Laundries for information, please don't excuse them for not giving it because they didn't know (their phone might have been blocked?) that the Petito family was concerned.
That holds no water.

At this point, all we have are opinions. You have yours, I have mine. Telling me my opinion "holds no water" frankly holds no water!

I addressed Cassie because the post I was responding to brought her up. That made her relevant. She may not be relevant to you. I don't quite see why she would be at this point either but, for some, it appears the L's interactions with her over 1 1/2 years ago are an additional reason to bash them.

Others have brought up the blocked phone issue-- today, on this thread. One person apparently thought that was a very big deal. It is part of the Petitos' Complaint so for me it should be an issue to be proven in court. The claims in the Complaint have to be proven, not just asserted and believed without proof-- and fortunately justice is not merely a matter of "public outcry."
JMO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

At this point, all we have are opinions. You have yours, I have mine. Telling me my opinion "holds no water" frankly holds no water!

I addressed Cassie because the post I was responding to brought her up. That made her relevant. She may not be relevant to you. I don't quite see why she would be at this point either but, for some, it appears the L's interactions with her over 1 1/2 years ago are an additional reason to bash them.

Others have brought up the blocked phone issue-- today, on this thread. One person apparently thought that was a very big deal. It is part of the Petitos' Complaint so for me it should be an issue to be proven in court. The claims in the Complaint have to be proven, not just asserted and believed without proof-- and fortunately justice is not merely a matter of "public outcry."
JMO

Please forgive me if I gave you the impression that I think your opinion holds no water!!!
I was pointing out the fact that, no matter how or by whom their phone was blocked, that even I - here in my own cocoon, knew that Gabby's family was begging for any information about her.
The excuse that their phone was blocked is what doesn't hold water!

 

[LinasK]

Please forgive me if I gave you the impression that I think your opinion holds no water!!!
I was pointing out the fact that, no matter how or by whom their phone was blocked, that even I - here in my own cocoon, knew that Gabby's family was begging for any information about her.
The excuse that their phone was blocked is what doesn't hold water!

Yeah, I'm not buying the excuse that their adult son blocked their phone without them knowing about it. My adult daughter doesn't touch my phone, and the Laundries aren't elderly or senile. They know how to use modern day Iphone-type phones. It's not hard to figure out how to block a number. To me, it goes hand in hand with the "I'll help you cover up a murder" letter. Present a united front.

 

[Cedars]

The parents are accused, in a tort action, of intentional infliction of emotional distress, as I understand it. That's a serious claim and definitely a claim that the parents acted unethically, amorally and even cruelly. To me, cruelty is a major moral failing.

imo

IMO, civil law is about proving that the suing party was directly harmed by the intentional actions of those they sue. It's not about judging the morality of the party being sued.

I don't understand how the Petitos will be able to distinguish in court between the emotional distress they experienced because of BL's actions/inactions, and whatever suffering they endured because of BL's parents non-contact.

Will they really be able make a case that they would have been happy, contented, not a care in the world if only the Laundry parents had texted 'Sorry, I wish I could help, hope Gabby turns up okay'.

This civil case makes no sense, IMO. I believe it's only been launched because BL is dead.
If the Petitos could sue him for wrongful death I don't think they'd be pusuing this.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Post in thread 'WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION*' WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION*

"After August 30th, Gabby’s parents weren’t able to get in contact with Gabby or her fiance. Her fiance’s mother also was not responding to any phone calls.”

 

[Warwick7]

Post in thread 'WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION*' WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION*

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Schmidt has recently seen photos in the news of Brian's father performing yard work.

'If they cared about her, they would want to find her,' she said. 'Why aren't you out helping find her?'

'I don't want to seem accusatory,' she said. 'It's confusing, my mind is turning right now.'

She's also questioning Brian's trip back to Florida in August to help his father move their things into a storage unit. She wonders why it was necessary to move Gabby's things during their road trip and what became of her stuff.

'Where are her things?' she asked.

Asked why Brian chose to lawyer up, she replied, 'You know I wish I knew that answer, why."

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Will they really be able make a case that they would have been happy, contented, not a care in the world if only the Laundry parents had texted 'Sorry, I wish I could help, hope Gabby turns up okay'.

RB&SBM
No, Cedars, this is not the contention. As I understand, it is that the Laundries had information and refused to share anything.
Nothing could have made them "happy" at this point, but the fact that they believe the Laundrie family withheld information made it even more more unbearable.
We very well may have to agree to disagree with our opinions on this and many things. As I believe our laws were originally written to uphold plumb-line moral values rather than to provide subtile nuances of interpretations of words to escape responsibility of immoral decisions and actions.

 

[Cedars]

dbm

 

[Laura456]

Rather than make what you call inferences, I prefer to see what the evidence shows when the civil suit goes to court. For example, will the evidence show the P's phone numbers were ever blocked on the L's cell phone? We can't know one way or the other right now. I'm also not sure what the Laundries' daughter has to do with anything at this point. She has said her parents told her they were advised not to talk to anyone about the situation by their attorney. One can believe that was bad advice but most people would agree taking advice from an attorney is generally a very good idea. And not talking about the situation included not talking with Cassie. Why is that an issue?

Besides not really understanding why Cassie's interactions with her parents would be an issue, I don't really see why Cassie is at all a part of it now. At one point Joe P did tell Dr. Phil he tried to call Cassie in early Sept to see if she knew where GP was but apparently Cassie and her family were at DisneyWorld that day. She told reporters her phone log did not show any calls. Was she supposed to be blocking calls from any Petito phone too? That seems pretty unlikely. Gabby Petito Case: Brian Laundrie's Sister, Cassie, Claims She Didn't Get Phone Calls from Joseph Petito

We don't know why the L's waited 4 days to report BL missing except that he was an adult, not a child. But we do know they reported him missing days before a warrant was issued for his arrest. So to say he was "running from authorities" when he left their house isn't truly accurate. And despite all the published claims from various people saying BK was alive well into Oct, from the final FBI report and autopsy, that wasn't true either-- he didn't run anywhere but the swamp where he died in a day or two from suicide.

So lots of wrong info out there. We'll see what happens in court.
JMO

I got a good vibe from Cassie...she had a humanity to her when she came out to talk to reporters. Of course, impressions can be misleading, but she wasn't ice cold and aloof like her parents.

 

[steeltowngirl]

My impression is that the Laundrie's are hardworking Americans who started their own business and work hard to make ends meet. Brian Laundrie was an adult and chose his actions. His sister, on the other hand, is married, owns a home, raising two sweet children. I am not sure why we are specuating on the "morality" of the parents or their responsibiity and accountability. They may be more private than some on here would like them to be, but no different than many other American families.

We are on many threads together and I have respect for your opinions and posts.

Here - I’m standing firm on my opinion. Brian came home from a trip with his fiancées van, and no fiancée. What do his parents do? The L’s called an attorney. RL’s letter, whenever it might have been written, simply reeks of “I will stand by anything you do, son.” He went on to murder his girlfriend, and lies about why in his own suicide note - basically calling it a mercy killing.

The definition of morality is “principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.”

Absolutely nothing about their behavior following Brian’s return fits that definition of morality. Absolutely nothing will convince me that they raised Brian to be responsible and accountable for his own actions.

IMO - He didn’t suddenly learn that behavior in September 2021. He was likely the ‘golden child’ - seen he as doing no wrong by his parents and coddled by them.

He’s gone now, and it may be pointless to dissect who BL was and how he became that way.

But I won’t turn a blind eye to the obvious.

jmo

 

[Sundog]

We are on many threads together and I have respect for your opinions and posts.

Here - I’m standing firm on my opinion.

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Likewise - I have respect for your opinion and posts over the many threads we are on together, including this one. And I appreciate that you stand firm in your opinion, as I stand firm in mine.

In relation to the Laundries at this time, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[somequestions]

I can answer the last question- it was Gabby's. That was the charge LE was going after him for. I think it was a holding charge to get him off the streets while they further investigated her murder.

I thought it was probably Gabby Petito's debit/credit card. Why was Brian Laundrie using her debit/credit card? He could not get his own? I wonder if Brian Laundrie had financial problems and was maybe even controlling Gabby Petito's money?

Gabby's father bought her Uber eats on August 21, 2021. I wonder if Gabby and her father spoke about the August 12th traffic/domestic abuse stop?

I wonder what the final fight was about? I guess we'll never know.