Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #87

[ch_13]

For sure... I not only don't get that claim , I totally reject it on the basis of common sense. If my kid turned up in someone's van, and I asked , where's the owner, and he said, 'gone'. I'd be calling an attorney, but calling the police as well. This is , as you say, simply not credible, on any scale, in any scenario. Not a reasonable position to take, that the Laundrie's automatically nodded to 'gone' and accepted this as final.

They did not.

They DID retain a Wyoming lawyer, the DID fork out a motza , and did due diligence regarding the criteria , (Federal crime, the National park thing ) to find an appropriate lawyer, they DID understand comprehensively where Gabby''s poor murdered body had been discarded by their son, in what county, in the USA, they knew, that was not a lucky guess. There are 3,143 counties to choose from. And they chose Teton .

So they knew, in their terms, and Brian's terms , what 'GONE' meant. 'Gone' provoked all these immediate actions, that were out of the normal for their everyday Florida life. 'Gone' instigated actions that point to knowledge of serious Federal capital crime, and not some vague DV somewhere else. Or the misty idea of Gabby gifting the van to good ole Brian.

You know, if a loved-one called me in a panic, said they needed a lawyer and their partner was 'gone', I suppose it's possible that I wouldn't immediately comprehend what they were talking about. But the first words out of my mouth would be "What do you mean gone? Where did they go?" It might take me a few minutes to process, but the meaning would eventually sink in.

This may be another assumption on my part, but I think pretty much everyone would react the same. They wouldn't just assume 'gone' referred to leaving the home and not ask any followup questions.

Edit - Heh. Exactly like Carmela does in this classic Sopranos clip. (Some NSFW language.)

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[Trooper]

I'm glad that your children accepted the help and guidance you gave them. Not all kids follow what their parents do to help them.

Did Brian accept help and advice from his parents? Probably not. JMO.

But he did , in fact, and according to the Laundrie's themselves, ask for help ( get a lawyer!) and accept that help, ( issued instructions via his parents to various lawyers ) .. so we can accept that he did ask and accept help from his parents, that is indisputable. So it is reasonable to state that he did, as events show and comments by the parents show that he turned to his parents for help and advice.

More probably so , than probably not.

Did he accept advice? from his parents?... who knows. ? The parents are hardly likely to complain about Bri's refusal to accept advice, nor have they given any examples of advice they gave him at various times, and that rejection of that advice.

It is fair , though , to claim that Brian was capable of, and desirous of, accepting advice from a lawyer, and adhering to that advice.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But he did , in fact, and according to the Laundrie's themselves, ask for help ( get a lawyer!) and accept that help, ( issued instructions via his parents to various lawyers ) .. so we can accept that he did ask and accept help from his parents, that is indisputable. So it is reasonable to state that he did, as events show and comments by the parents show that he turned to his parents for help and advice.

More probably so , than probably not.

Did he accept advice? from his parents?... who knows. ? The parents are hardly likely to complain about Bri's refusal to accept advice, nor have they given any examples of advice they gave him at various times, and that rejection of that advice.

It is fair , though , to claim that Brian was capable of, and desirous of, accepting advice from a lawyer, and adhering to that advice.

Good point about BL asking for help with a lawyer.

My thoughts were more along the lines of relationship problems that @sassyblue talked about. JMO.

 

[Trooper]

Hard to believe that he drove clear across the USA in a stolen car, on stolen credit cards, with the decomposing body of his former girlfriend left to the depredations of weather, and wild animals,. with one lame attempt at trying to establish an alibi for this recent murder, going straight home to Mum and Dad, if not for help and advice, at the very least. One surely would not be driven by such a strong desire for only Mummy's pancakes and nothing else as a motive.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Hard to believe that he drove clear across the USA in a stolen car, on stolen credit cards, with the decomposing body of his former girlfriend left to the depredations of weather, and wild animals,. with one lame attempt at trying to establish an alibi for this recent murder, going straight home to Mum and Dad, if not for help and advice, at the very least. One surely would not be driven by such a strong desire for only Mummy's pancakes and nothing else as a motive.

A don't know about pancakes but ultimately BL decided on his own to take his life instead of facing the consequences of his actions. JMO.

 

[Sundog]

I understood what you meant. The Laundries have also lost a child in this terrible case and have suffered from that loss.

JMO.

I agree, the Laundries are also victims in this stragic situation.

 

[DFWNF]

A don't know about pancakes but ultimately BL decided on his own to take his life instead of facing the consequences of his actions. JMO.

Bbm Frankly, I am not so sure about that. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Bbm Frankly, I am not so sure about that. JMO

You think someone killed Brian Laundrie?

 

[DFWNF]

You think someone killed Brian Laundrie?

No not really, but I don't believe he made the decision all on his own. Jmo.

 

[MyBelle]

You know, if a loved-one called me in a panic, said they needed a lawyer and their partner was 'gone', I suppose it's possible that I wouldn't immediately comprehend what they were talking about. But the first words out of my mouth would be "What do you mean gone? Where did they go?" It might take me a few minutes to process, but the meaning would eventually sink in.

This may be another assumption on my part, but I think pretty much everyone would react the same. They wouldn't just assume 'gone' referred to leaving the home and not ask any followup questions.

Edit - Heh. Exactly like Carmela does in this classic Sopranos clip. (Some NSFW language.)

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BBM. There is thread on WS about a missing man in Nebraska who left his home in November after a fight with his husband. He's still missing and there have been multiple searches.

When couples have an argument--and one leaves in order to cool off and avoid escalation--the other often does not know where they went. It is a giant leap to assume Laundrie's parents knew Gabby was dead.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No not really, but I don't believe he made the decision all on his own. Jmo.

Okay thanks.

I do think that the evidence shows BL killed himself of his own volition. If I'm missing some evidence to the contrary please let me know.

JMO.

 

[Trooper]

BBM. There is thread on WS about a missing man in Nebraska who left his home in November after a fight with his husband. He's still missing and there have been multiple searches.

When couples have an argument--and one leaves in order to cool off and avoid escalation--the other often does not know where they went. It is a giant leap to assume Laundrie's parents knew Gabby was dead.

JMO

If that missing husbands car was sitting in my driveway, and my son had used his credit cards to rock on home to me . and then the parents of that missing husband rang me in absolute terror, about not hearing from their (previously ) constantly contacting missing child, well. .. you know,... I'd be joining up the dots, and looking at things a bit closer, and I would, at the very least, be saying to my squirrelly son, hey.. what's going on, and exactly what do you need a lawyer for, if your missing husband has merely wandered off?.. what do you have to do with it, that requires a lawyer, hmm?? . something along those lines, ... probably a bit more forcefully, being me, but let's assume I am a bit of a wimp, just for the sake of it...

 

[Trooper]

No not really, but I don't believe he made the decision all on his own. Jmo.

Neither do I, not for a nanosecond. At the very least, he got agreement about his plan to suicide. Because they carefully kept his exit from their home a secret, and carefully kept the location they knew he was going to do remove himself from this life. Presumably so that no one would interfere with good ole Bri's plans.

He certainly told his parents, and one can reasonably assume that he told them exactly where he was going to put the plan in to action, because that is where his own parents found him, after everyone else could not find him. So it is reasonable to assume that they were told where his dead body would be, which presupposes, without any doubt, that they were privy to his plan in some fine detail. How to, where to, why to.

So it is also reasonable to claim that the parents had INPUT into that decision.

 

[Sundog]

Neither do I, not for a nanosecond. At the very least, he got agreement about his plan to suicide. Because they carefully kept his exit from their home a secret, and carefully kept the location they knew he was going to do remove himself from this life. Presumably so that no one would interfere with good ole Bri's plans.

He certainly told his parents, and one can reasonably assume that he told them exactly where he was going to put the plan in to action, because that is where his own parents found him, after everyone else could not find him. So it is reasonable to assume that they were told where his dead body would be, which presupposes, without any doubt, that they were privy to his plan in some fine detail. How to, where to, why to.
So it is also reasonable to claim that the parents had INPUT into that decision.

I don't believe this for a minute. They couldn't stop him from leaving, and they likely feared that they may never see him again, feared the worse. He may have left them a note, and that heightened their fear. There is no way they aided and abetted his suicide.

 

[Trooper]

of course they could stop him from leaving! people get stopped from leaving somewhere all day and all night all over the world!.. They could have notified the authorities... who, as we know, were closely contacting THEM already, in regard to Bri's ditzy story.

 

[MyBelle]

If that missing husbands car was sitting in my driveway, and my son had used his credit cards to rock on home to me . and then the parents of that missing husband rang me in absolute terror, about not hearing from their constantly contacting missing child, well. .. you know,... I'd be joining up the dots, and looking at things a bit closer, and I would, at the very least, be saying to my squirrelly son, hey.. what's going on, and exactly what do you need a lawyer for, if your missing husband has merely wandered off?.. what do you have to do with it, that requires a lawyer, hmm?? . something along those lines, ... probably a bit more forcefully, being me, but let's assume I am a bit of a wimp, just for the sake of it...

BBM. I have no clue what you are talking about. My point was that couples who decide to "leave" rather than escalate the situation don't know where their partner has gone.

The Nebraska husband retained a lawyer because the Sheriff had told the news media he was no longer cooperating with LE. It wasn't true and LE then admitted he wasn't a suspect or person of interest.

JMO

Attorney for missing Lincoln man’s husband denies unwillingness to cooperate in investigation

The Lancaster County Sheriff’s Office said it’s putting “tons of resources” into locating a missing 35-year-old Lincoln man.

www.1011now.com

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't believe this for a minute. They couldn't stop him from leaving, and they likely feared that they may never see him again, feared the worse. He may have left them a note, and that heightened their fear. There is no way they aided and abetted his suicide.

Of course you're correct.

The idea that BL's parents purposefully talked him into killing himself is not believable to me. JMO.

 

[Trooper]

Bbm Frankly, I am not so sure about that. JMO

Me either.. I have thought for a while that he killed himself because his parents did not want the horror of a trial and life imprisonment, or execution, perhaps as the future for themselves, as much as for Brian, and would have expressed this to Brian. Of course , neither did he. <modsnip: opinion stated as fact>

 

[MyBelle]

I don't believe this for a minute. They couldn't stop him from leaving, and they likely feared that they may never see him again, feared the worse. He may have left them a note, and that heightened their fear. There is no way they aided and abetted his suicide.

ITA. Brian's parents reported him missing to LE.

He left a note that he regretted Gabby's death and he wanted to join her.

JMO

READ: Brian Laundrie’s notebook confession, message to Gabby Petito

An attorney for the Laundrie family released contents of Brian Laundrie’s notebook on Friday, including what appeared to be his confession and explanation for killing his fiancée Gabby Petito…

www.wfla.com

“When I pulled Gabby out of the water, she couldn’t tell me what hurt. She had a small [bump] on her forehead that [eventually] got larger. Her feet hurt, her [wrist] hurt but she was freezing, shaking violently. While carrying her she continually made sounds of pain. Laying next to her she said little, [lapsing] between violent shakes, gasping in pain, begging for an end to her pain. She would fall asleep and I would shake her awake, fearing she shouldn’t close her eyes if she had a concussion.”

“She would wake in pain, start her whole painful cycle again [illegible] furious that I was the one waking her. She wouldn’t let me try to cross the creek, thought like me that the fire would go out in her sleep and she’d freeze. I don’t know the extend of Gabby’s injuries, only that she was in extreme pain. I ended her life, I thought it was merciful, that it is what she wanted but I see now all the mistakes I made. I panicked, I was in shock. But from the moment I decided, took away her pain, I knew I couldn’t go on without her.”

“I rushed home to spend any time I had left with my family. I wanted to drive north and let James or TJ kill me but I wouldn’t want them to spend time in jail over my mistake, even though I’m sure they would have liked to. I am ending my life not because of a fear of punishment but rather because I can’t stand to live another day without her. I’ve lost our whole future together, every moment we could have [shared.] I’m sorry for everyone’s loss. Please do not make life harder for my family, they lost a son and a daughter. The most wonderful girl in the world. Gabby I’m sorry.”

“I have killed myself by this creek in the hopes that animals may tear me apart. That it may make some of her family happy.”
“Please pick up all of my things. Gabby hated people who litter.”

 

[TL4S]

What I'd like to know is what BL was doing between the time he killed GP and the time he frantically called his parents. The Ps think he killed GP on the 27th (I think it could have been the 28th), but he was still frantic one to two days later. I wonder how sure they are of events between those days and why it possibly took so long for him to call.

Personally, I think BL had long-standing mental health problems that his parents were likely familiar with, and didn't know how to deal. I'm not condoning their actions, at all, but I'm curious if maybe they did what they did as their way to try to prevent exactly what ended up happening. They might regret it now, yes, but didn't know what to do at the time.

GP was deemed the aggressor in UT (by LE), so maybe BL played on that theme with his parents. We really have no idea. They acted on self-preservation for themselves and their son, followed legal advice, and probably just tried to keep BL contained. Jmo. I have sympathy for them losing their son, but I also can completely understand how the Ps can look at the entire situation and find it repulsive toward them and their daughter.