Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #88

[Trooper]

Bertolino's depo page 36 mentions they needed a criminal Wyoming lawyer, starting at page 27 it gets very interesting imo. They totally knew. Not sure if anyone read it. I am still reading through it.

There is a sense of panic in Bertolino's depo at this point, when he begins to get the picture that this thing has claws and blows fire, he want's to contain it, but it is starting to get away from him. He was not the bloke for this job.,

 

[DFWNF]

They could have believed a criminal lawyer was needed for a domestic violence case. JMO.

Nope, seemed pretty clear to me. A criminal Wyoming lawyer, and all the dead talk. Did you get a chance to read it? It's quite long but the format of his is much easier to read than the Laundrie depos. Jmo.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Nope, seemed pretty clear to me. A criminal Wyoming lawyer, and all the dead talk. Did you get a chance to read it? It's quite long but the format of his is much easier to read than the Laundrie depos. Jmo.

Not yet. I'll have to search for a link.

What kind of dead talk? I'm surprised it didn't make it into the news. JMO.

 

[Trooper]

Nope, seemed pretty clear to me. A criminal Wyoming lawyer, and all the dead talk. Did you get a chance to read it? It's quite long but the format of his is much easier to read than the Laundrie depos. Jmo.

They don't mention any other thing other than death. . It's not as if they are tossing about alternative events, !!.. it's the one thing!...

 

[DFWNF]

Not yet. I'll have to search for a link.

What kind of dead talk? I'm surprised it didn't make it into the news. JMO.

Oh sorry Ranch, here is the link. https://www.scribd.com/document/706192319/Clerk-Document



Dead as in gone may mean dead, seemed to me he was preparing them. He made a couple flippant comments imo, that Brian did not need a personal injury lawyer, and paraphrasing, Gabby didn't leave to go to the beach (not exact words to be clear)

 

[IDK]

She rememebered it, and enlarged upon it, and her testimony entered into the record!... It had meaning to her, she added all sorts of extraneous details, ( she did not mention what sort of pie it was, I don't think ) . she bumbled around about it for 15 minutes, On the witness stand!.

That's called 'bringing it up herself' in anyone's language.

I don’t know much about RL, but I have seen this type of behavior among many female friends and relatives. They may work really hard to prepare a nice dinner or similar and then it can feel like a slap in the face if the recipients are dismissive. It may sound petty, but I’ve seen it play out in similar situations many times.

RL may well have felt taken advantage of- letting her son’s girlfriend live in her house while having to cook and clean for her. Were GP or BL paying any rent? If I were RL, I might be kind of irritated too! Were GP’s parents contributing anything towards their daughter’s room and board?

Some people have trouble being assertive, and then let resentments build up until they snap. It doesn’t even sound like RL blew up or anything, just got a little snippy.

 

[MyBelle]

They could have believed a criminal lawyer was needed for a domestic violence case. JMO.

Yes, in the depo Bertolino makes it very clear HE believed Brian needed a criminal lawyer in Wyoming because he had no idea what Brian meant about Gabby being "gone." As an attorney, he had to think the worst scenario. He also wanted BL to STAY in Wyoming and wanted BL to call him directly.

Bertolino was bombarded with incredibly petty questions about how many times he spoke to the Laundries, how long were the calls, the dates of the calls, the time of day of the calls, who initiated the calls. It was ridiculous.

One of favorite parts was when Bertolino reminded Reilly that he had asked the same questions to Roberta and Chris.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Oh sorry Ranch, here is the link. https://www.scribd.com/document/706192319/Clerk-Document



Dead as in gone may mean dead, seemed to me he was preparing them. He made a couple flippant comments imo, that Brian did not need a personal injury lawyer, and paraphrasing, Gabby didn't leave to go to the beach (not exact words to be clear)

Gone doesn't always mean dead to me. It could mean Gabby left. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, in the depo Bertolino makes it very clear HE believed Brian needed a criminal lawyer in Wyoming because he had no idea what Brian meant about Gabby being "gone." As an attorney, he had to think the worst scenario. He also wanted BL to STAY in Wyoming and wanted BL to call him directly.

Bertolino was bombarded with incredibly petty questions about how many times he spoke to the Laundries, how long were the calls, the dates of the calls, the time of day of the calls, who initiated the calls. It was ridiculous.

One of favorite parts was when Bertolino reminded Reilly that he had asked the same questions to Roberta and Chris.

JMO

Yes. I just read through that part of Bertolino's deposition and it's clear that he said he didn't now exactly what "gone" meant in this case. JMO.

 

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[Cool Cats]

Yes. I just read through that part of Bertolino's deposition and it's clear that he said he didn't now exactly what "gone" meant in this case. JMO.

In my opinion, the Laundries and Bertolino
admitting that they did not know what the word GONE meant is the reason all 3 will lose in court or seek a settlement.

If they had said they thought GONE meant
that Gabby had simply left the area of her own free will then they had no obligation to say anything.

But these 3 are admitting that GONE could have meant that harm had come to Gabby or even that she could be Gone as in passed away.

In this context they should have let the Petitos know all of this and called in a search party because they didn't know what GONE meant and it could have meant Gabby was literally lost needing rescue.

Instead of letting the Petitos know that Brian said GABBY was GONE and they were concerned for her, they put out a statement pretending they knew nothing and gave false hope that Gabby could be found alive.

 

[Steelhead]

Who on earth would not follow up with, “What do you mean, gone?”

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In my opinion, the Laundries and Bertolino
admitting that they did not know what the word GONE meant is the reason all 3 will lose in court or seek a settlement.

If they had said they thought GONE meant
that Gabby had simply left the area of her own free will then they had no obligation to say anything.

But these 3 are admitting that GONE could have meant that harm had come to Gabby or even that she could be Gone as in passed away.

In this context they should have let the Petitos know all of this and called in a search party because they didn't know what GONE meant and it could have meant Gabby was literally lost needing rescue.

Instead of letting the Petitos know that Brian said GABBY was GONE and they were concerned for her, they put out a statement pretending they knew nothing and gave false hope that Gabby could be found alive.

I thought this lawsuit is about the Laundries knowing that Gabby was dead, where her body was located and didn't share these facts with her parents.

Your post doesn't line up with that. Any of the parties guessing what may have happened to Gabby isn't what they are being sued for. JMO.

 

[GRT]

In my opinion, the Laundries and Bertolino
admitting that they did not know what the word GONE meant is the reason all 3 will lose in court or seek a settlement.

If they had said they thought GONE meant
that Gabby had simply left the area of her own free will then they had no obligation to say anything.

But these 3 are admitting that GONE could have meant that harm had come to Gabby or even that she could be Gone as in passed away.

In this context they should have let the Petitos know all of this and called in a search party because they didn't know what GONE meant and it could have meant Gabby was literally lost needing rescue.

Instead of letting the Petitos know that Brian said GABBY was GONE and they were concerned for her, they put out a statement pretending they knew nothing and gave false hope that Gabby could be found alive.

I agree that they might have suspected that gone meant dead, but what parent is going to want to jump to that conclusion? They're going to want to hold out hope as long as is humanly possible. And, that's on both sides.

I think the Laundries would have been in the wrong to suggest to the Petitos that their child was dead when they didn't know for sure. And, what would they say? We think our child killed your child?

From what I remember, both sets of parents said that they did not see any abusive problems in the kids' relationship, so going from there to murder would be quite the shark leap. For both.

Realistically, I think the Moab phone call w/mom might have been the first inkling of abuse, but even then, I'm not sure what Gabby told her mother that day. She might not have mentioned the slapping and pushing. In a way, I kind of think Gabby played that down on the phone call because otherwise, her mother probably would have demanded she return home, or her mother probably would have called the police herself and told them her daughter had been abused.

Everyone wishes the outcome had been different--that the kids just split up and go their own ways. We'd still have both likely on this earth.

But, that didn't happen and at the end of the day -- to me -- only Brian is the bad guy here. He cheated the Petitos out of getting justice, but I think his parents are victims, too.

I just feel bad for all of them, but it could be over very soon. Once it is, perhaps the grieving process can truly start and both families can move on.

 

[Cool Cats]

I thought this lawsuit is about the Laundries knowing that Gabby was dead, where her body was located and didn't share these facts with her parents.

Your post doesn't line up with that. Any of the parties guessing what may have happened to Gabby isn't what they are being sued for. JMO.

Here is what the Petitos are suing the parties for:

Joseph Petito and Nichole Schmidt are suing Laundrie's parents and their attorney, claiming they intentionally withheld information about 22-year-old Gabby Petito's death, causing them pain and emotional distress.
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The judge ruled the case could move forward in part to a statement released by their attorney as Gabby’s parents were mounting a search for her in Grand Teton National Park.

The statement in part reads: “On behalf of the Laundrie family, it is our hope that the search for Miss Petito is successful and that Miss Petito is reunited with her family.”

The statement itself is not outrageous, but “when juxtaposed with the other conduct in the case, though, the outrageous threshold is surpassed,” according to the Judge's ruling.

If the Laundries made their statement while they knew Gabby was dead and where she was found, then it was “particularly callous and cruel, and it is sufficiently outrageous to state claims for international infliction of emotional distress,” according to the Judge's ruling.
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Other conduct includes ....

They took this (camping) vacation each knowing that Gabby was dead and that her parents were frantically looking for her.

They ignored all the Petito's efforts to contact them.

Gabby Petito's parents' lawsuit to move forward, judge denies motion to dismiss

A lawsuit filed by Gabby Petito’s parents against the Laundrie family will move forward. Circuit Judge Hunter W. Carroll issued the ruling Thursday morning. At issue is whether Brian Laundrie’s parents knew that their son killed Gabby before he fled back to Florida. The Petito family filed the...

winknews.com

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Here is what the Petitos are suing the parties for:

Joseph Petito and Nichole Schmidt are suing Laundrie's parents and their attorney, claiming they intentionally withheld information about 22-year-old Gabby Petito's death, causing them pain and emotional distress.
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When the Laundries were told by Brian that Gabby was GONE they admit that at that time they were concerned for her and admitted that death crossed their minds. Yes - the actual possibility that GONE meant Gabby was dead.

They admit they were worried about her - what does worry mean? Think about it.

So instead of telling the Petitos that they were CONCERNED for Gabby and that HER POSSIBLY BEING DEAD CROSSED THEIR MINDS - because Brian was extremely upset saying she was GONE - they put out a misleading statement.

The judge ruled the case could move forward in part to a statement released by their attorney as Gabby’s parents were mounting a search for her in Grand Teton National Park.

The statement in part reads: “On behalf of the Laundrie family, it is our hope that the search for Miss Petito is successful and that Miss Petito is reunited with her family.”

The statement itself is not outrageous, but “when juxtaposed with the other conduct in the case, though, the outrageous threshold is surpassed,” according to the Judge's ruling.

If the Laundries made their statement while they knew Gabby was dead and where she was found, then it was “particularly callous and cruel, and it is sufficiently outrageous to state claims for international infliction of emotional distress,” according to the Judge's ruling.
******************************************
Other conduct includes ....

They took this (camping) vacation each knowing that Gabby was dead and that her parents were frantically looking for her.

They ignored all the Petito's efforts to contact them.

Gabby Petito's parents' lawsuit to move forward, judge denies motion to dismiss

A lawsuit filed by Gabby Petito’s parents against the Laundrie family will move forward. Circuit Judge Hunter W. Carroll issued the ruling Thursday morning. At issue is whether Brian Laundrie’s parents knew that their son killed Gabby before he fled back to Florida. The Petito family filed the...

winknews.com

That's exactly what I said. They are suing the Laundires because they claim the Laundries knew Gabby was dead and didn't inform her parents causing damages.

No where in the depositions does anyone say that they knew Gabby was dead.

Notice the the phrase "If the Laundries made their statement while they knew Gabby was dead and where she was found". If they didn't know Gabby was dead,which is what they said in the depositions, then the statement they made is perfectly fine. JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

I agree that they might have suspected that gone meant dead, but what parent is going to want to jump to that conclusion? They're going to want to hold out hope as long as is humanly possible. And, that's on both sides.

I think the Laundries would have been in the wrong to suggest to the Petitos that their child was dead when they didn't know for sure. And, what would they say? We think our child killed your child?

From what I remember, both sets of parents said that they did not see any abusive problems in the kids' relationship, so going from there to murder would be quite the shark leap. For both.

Realistically, I think the Moab phone call w/mom might have been the first inkling of abuse, but even then, I'm not sure what Gabby told her mother that day. She might not have mentioned the slapping and pushing. In a way, I kind of think Gabby played that down on the phone call because otherwise, her mother probably would have demanded she return home, or her mother probably would have called the police herself and told them her daughter had been abused.

Everyone wishes the outcome had been different--that the kids just split up and go their own ways. We'd still have both likely on this earth.

But, that didn't happen and at the end of the day -- to me -- only Brian is the bad guy here. He cheated the Petitos out of getting justice, but I think his parents are victims, too.

I just feel bad for all of them, but it could be over very soon. Once it is, perhaps the grieving process can truly start and both families can move on.

The Petitos think the Laundries knew Gabby was dead and then put out a statement acting like she was not dead.

I believe a jury will believe the Laundries knew she could be dead, which reaches the probable cause threshold.

On top of that callously going camping and ignoring all forms of communication from the Petitos.

Roberta admitted in her deposition that she did think GONE could have meant she was dead.

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[Sundog]

I agree that they might have suspected that gone meant dead, but what parent is going to want to jump to that conclusion? They're going to want to hold out hope as long as is humanly possible. And, that's on both sides.

I think the Laundries would have been in the wrong to suggest to the Petitos that their child was dead when they didn't know for sure. And, what would they say? We think our child killed your child?

From what I remember, both sets of parents said that they did not see any abusive problems in the kids' relationship, so going from there to murder would be quite the shark leap. For both.

Realistically, I think the Moab phone call w/mom might have been the first inkling of abuse, but even then, I'm not sure what Gabby told her mother that day. She might not have mentioned the slapping and pushing. In a way, I kind of think Gabby played that down on the phone call because otherwise, her mother probably would have demanded she return home, or her mother probably would have called the police herself and told them her daughter had been abused.

Everyone wishes the outcome had been different--that the kids just split up and go their own ways. We'd still have both likely on this earth.

But, that didn't happen and at the end of the day -- to me -- only Brian is the bad guy here. He cheated the Petitos out of getting justice, but I think his parents are victims, too.

I just feel bad for all of them, but it could be over very soon. Once it is, perhaps the grieving process can truly start and both families can move on.

I completely agree. Here's hoping for a positive outcome for both sets of parents at tomorrow's mediation session.