Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #88

[MyBelle]

I agree that they might have suspected that gone meant dead, but what parent is going to want to jump to that conclusion? They're going to want to hold out hope as long as is humanly possible. And, that's on both sides.

I think the Laundries would have been in the wrong to suggest to the Petitos that their child was dead when they didn't know for sure. And, what would they say? We think our child killed your child?

From what I remember, both sets of parents said that they did not see any abusive problems in the kids' relationship, so going from there to murder would be quite the shark leap. For both.

Realistically, I think the Moab phone call w/mom might have been the first inkling of abuse, but even then, I'm not sure what Gabby told her mother that day. She might not have mentioned the slapping and pushing. In a way, I kind of think Gabby played that down on the phone call because otherwise, her mother probably would have demanded she return home, or her mother probably would have called the police herself and told them her daughter had been abused.

Everyone wishes the outcome had been different--that the kids just split up and go their own ways. We'd still have both likely on this earth.

But, that didn't happen and at the end of the day -- to me -- only Brian is the bad guy here. He cheated the Petitos out of getting justice, but I think his parents are victims, too.

I just feel bad for all of them, but it could be over very soon. Once it is, perhaps the grieving process can truly start and both families can move on.

BBM. You raise some good points! iirc, Gabby phoned her mom while Moab LE was still at the scene. Bertolino also mentions in his depo that Gabby spent 45 minutes talking to her dad about the possibility of her arrest while in Moab so both her parents knew about the incident.

It was BL's parents who didn't know about Moab. A point Bertolino raised was why didn't her parents call his parents and discuss Moab?

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

That's exactly what I said. They are suing the Laundires because they claim the Laundries knew Gabby was dead and didn't inform her parents causing damages.

No where in the depositions does anyone say that they knew Gabby was dead.

Notice the the phrase "If the Laundries made their statement while they knew Gabby was dead and where she was found". If they didn't know Gabby was dead,which is what they said in the depositions, then the statement they made is perfectly fine. JMO.

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Roberta admitted in her deposition that GONE crossed her mind as thinking Gabby could be dead and that they were concerned for Gabby's welfare.

This will be enough for the jury along with their other callous indifferent behavior for a liable conviction I believe.

On top of that they admit Brian was extremely upset, this falls in line with the Laundries thinking Gabby could have died.

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[MyBelle]

That's exactly what I said. They are suing the Laundires because they claim the Laundries knew Gabby was dead and didn't inform her parents causing damages.

No where in the depositions does anyone say that they knew Gabby was dead.

Notice the the phrase "If the Laundries made their statement while they knew Gabby was dead and where she was found". If they didn't know Gabby was dead,which is what they said in the depositions, then the statement they made is perfectly fine. JMO.

BBM. You're right. On page 32/33 of his depo, Bertolino said in a conversation with CL, he brought up the possibility that "gone" could mean death and Chris said he could not contemplate it.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM. You're right. On page 32/33 of his depo, Bertolino said in a conversation with CL, he brought up the possibility that "gone" could mean death and Chris said he could not contemplate it.

JMO

Yup.

Chris said he couldn't THINK about it.

He did not say:

"No I do not believe she is dead."
"Well I don't think so."

A reasonable person - court definition - could easily take this to mean it was too sad for Laundrie to think about. Roberta was very clear that it crossed her mind Gabby could be dead.

I hope tomorrow the Petitos get a fair settlement and most importantly an apology from the Laundries.

 

[MyBelle]

Yup.

Chris said he couldn't THINK about it.

He did not say:

"No I do not believe she is dead."
"Well I don't think so."

A reasonable person - court definition - could easily take this to mean it was too sad for Laundrie to think about. Roberta was very clear that it crossed her mind Gabby could be dead.

I hope tomorrow the Petitos get a fair settlement and most importantly an apology from the Laundries.

I think a reasonable person would accept what Chris said rather than put words in his mouth.

The trial isn't until May.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

I hope tomorrow the Petitos get a fair settlement and most importantly an apology from the Laundries.

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The thing about mediation is, however, that mediation doesn't give either side everything they want. If that were the case, it wouldn't be mediation.

With regard to an apology, I don't know what the Laundries would be apologizing for. I guess they could say something like "We apologize if our efforts to follow our attorney's advice led to additional pain on your part. By no means was that our intention as we sought to deal with the situation that was unfolding before us. "

Not very well-written, but something like that might be possible, and perhaps would be an acceptable mediation statement.

But I rather think that a mediation settlement would be confidential, with neither the amount of the settlement (if any) or an apology (if made) disclosed to the public. Both would be confidential, IMO, and there would be an agreement not to disparage one another going forward. The usual legal language of mediated conflicts.

Again, hoping there is a settlement arrived at tomorrow through mediation and that it reflects fairness to both parties in the dispute.

 

[Cool Cats]

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The thing about mediation is, however, that mediation doesn't give either side everything they want. If that were the case, it wouldn't be mediation.

With regard to an apology, I don't know what the Laundries would be apologizing for. I guess they could say something like "We apologize if our efforts to follow our attorney's advice led to additional pain on your part. By no means was that our intention as we sought to deal with the situation that was unfolding before us. "

Not very well-written, but something like that might be possible, and perhaps would be an acceptable mediation statement.

But I rather think that a mediation settlement would be confidential, with neither the amount of the settlement (if any) or an apology (if made) disclosed to the public. Both would be confidential, IMO, and there would be an agreement not to disparage one another going forward. The usual legal language of mediated conflicts.

Again, hoping there is a settlement arrived at tomorrow through mediation and that it reflects fairness to both parties in the dispute.

They did not have an attorney telling them to remain silent when they got the news about Gabby.

The Laundries did not have an attorney when Brian called them. Before they even talked to their attorney it crossed their minds Gabby could be hurt, lost or dead. There is no excuse for not calling Gabby's mom.

Just an excuse using "Our attorney said." No. You had no attorney's advice at that time.

They should at bare minimum apologize for being rude. For not returning any texts or phone calls or other messages.

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[MyBelle]

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The thing about mediation is, however, that mediation doesn't give either side everything they want. If that were the case, it wouldn't be mediation.

With regard to an apology, I don't know what the Laundries would be apologizing for. I guess they could say something like "We apologize if our efforts to follow our attorney's advice led to additional pain on your part. By no means was that our intention as we sought to deal with the situation that was unfolding before us. "

Not very well-written, but something like that might be possible, and perhaps would be an acceptable mediation statement.

But I rather think that a mediation settlement would be confidential, with neither the amount of the settlement (if any) or an apology (if made) disclosed to the public. Both would be confidential, IMO, and there would be an agreement not to disparage one another going forward. The usual legal language of mediated conflicts.

Again, hoping there is a settlement arrived at tomorrow through mediation and that it reflects fairness to both parties in the dispute.

At this point, I will be very surprised if the Laundries or Bertolino agree to any settlement. Bertolino is a better attorney than Reilly, who stupidly asked a court to force Bertolino to break client-attorney privilege.

JMO

Petito’s family withdraws motion to order testimony from Laundrie’s attorney about murder timeline

In the weeks following the missing person case involving Gabby Petito, her parents still had hope their daughter was alive when they made their first public statement.

www.wfla.com

Bertolino told 8 On Your Side “the motion was not supported by the law of the facts”

“He got the publicity he wanted from filing it but once my attorneys filed a substantively superior response he had little choice but to withdraw it,” Bertolino said.

 

[Jade]

Yes, in the depo Bertolino makes it very clear HE believed Brian needed a criminal lawyer in Wyoming because he had no idea what Brian meant about Gabby being "gone." As an attorney, he had to think the worst scenario. He also wanted BL to STAY in Wyoming and wanted BL to call him directly.

Bertolino was bombarded with incredibly petty questions about how many times he spoke to the Laundries, how long were the calls, the dates of the calls, the time of day of the calls, who initiated the calls. It was ridiculous.

One of favorite parts was when Bertolino reminded Reilly that he had asked the same questions to Roberta and Chris.

JMO

Bertolino was able to bear the burden of the questions by cashing his pay check I'm sure.

Imo, The contact notable and revealing. Attorney's love petty; its the details that tell the story:

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The number of calls in such a short time frame was an unusual change of pace for Brian who prior to that had only called dad Christopher and mom Roberta five times in the two months before, during the young couple's doomed road trip from Florida to Utah and Wyoming in summer 2021.

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The revelatory first call took place on Sunday, August 29 at 4pm and lasted 55 minutes – days after Gabby's last known contact with mom Nichole. There was another call at 9:20pm that lasted 22 minutes, according to phone records.

From there followed a 'flurry' of up to 20 calls that day and the following on Monday August 30, with most of them between the killer and Roberta, Petito family attorney Pat Reilly revealed to DailyMail.com.

Brian disclosed the 'gone' news to his father, but on his mother's phone.

Brian Laundrie called parents 20 times after killing Gabby Petito


Of course Bertolino wanted BL to stay up there not home blabbing and crying with the details to Mommy and Daddy.

BBM. You raise some good points! iirc, Gabby phoned her mom while Moab LE was still at the scene. Bertolino also mentions in his depo that Gabby spent 45 minutes talking to her dad about the possibility of her arrest while in Moab so both her parents knew about the incident.

It was BL's parents who didn't know about Moab. A point Bertolino raised was why didn't her parents call his parents and discuss Moab?

JMO

BBM

Because they wanted her to totally dump his azz? Nothing more to talk about there.

It’s a lot different than your son showing up sans girlfriend driving her expensive transit van.


all imo

 

[Jade]

[...]
Brian Laundrie arrived back home in Florida on Sept. 1 with the white van he and Petito had been traveling in, but his mother didn’t ask him about what happened with Gabby, following her attorney’s advice not to talk about anything that might have happened, she said in the deposition.

“I was told not to ask, and so I just kept Brian close, kept him home and safe, and didn’t talk to him about anything and hoped for the best,” she said.
[…]
Petito always could “take care of herself,” the mother said.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/brian-laundrie-gabby-petito-death-lawsuit/46799930So


Attorneys ask people not to talk about cases because that would not be confidential information if the hearer had to give sworn testimony or be summoned to court.
Then the Laundries would have to answer questions under oath and be compelled to share anything Brian had said to them.
It would be attorney misconduct for him to have them lie or conceal information about what they knew from talking to Brain.


If there was nothing to hide BL could have talked all he wanted and gotten this all cleared up.



all imo

 

[Sundog]

dbm

Bertolino was able to bear the burden of the questions by cashing his pay check I'm sure.

Imo, The contact notable and revealing. Attorney's love petty; its the details that tell the story:

[...]
The number of calls in such a short time frame was an unusual change of pace for Brian who prior to that had only called dad Christopher and mom Roberta five times in the two months before, during the young couple's doomed road trip from Florida to Utah and Wyoming in summer 2021.

[..]

The revelatory first call took place on Sunday, August 29 at 4pm and lasted 55 minutes – days after Gabby's last known contact with mom Nichole. There was another call at 9:20pm that lasted 22 minutes, according to phone records.

From there followed a 'flurry' of up to 20 calls that day and the following on Monday August 30, with most of them between the killer and Roberta, Petito family attorney Pat Reilly revealed to DailyMail.com.

Brian disclosed the 'gone' news to his father, but on his mother's phone.

Brian Laundrie called parents 20 times after killing Gabby Petito


Of course Bertolino wanted BL to stay up there not home blabbing and crying with the details to Mommy and Daddy.


BBM

Because they wanted her to totally dump his azz? Nothing more to talk about there.

It’s a lot different than your son showing up sans girlfriend driving her expensive transit van.


all imo

Regarding the Petito's reaction to the Moab situation, IIRC, GP's mother told the media that it was not unexpected that two people would have some kind of issues travelling together and living in a small van for a long period of time. She wasn't making a big deal out of the Moab situation at that time.

 

[Cool Cats]

to Utah and Wyoming in summer 2021.

[..]

The revelatory first call took place on Sunday, August 29 at 4pm and lasted 55 minutes – days after Gabby's last known contact with mom Nichole. There was another call at 9:20pm that lasted 22 minutes, according to phone records.

From there followed a 'flurry' of up to 20 calls that day and the following on Monday August 30, with most of them between the killer and Roberta, Petito family attorney Pat Reilly revealed to DailyMail.com.

Brian disclosed the 'gone' news to his father, but on his mother's phone.

Brian Laundrie called parents 20 times after killing Gabby Petito

Wow! This is eye opening.
No wonder the Laundries don't want to get in front of a jury, meaning want to settle out of court.

The probable cause for a civil trial guilty verdict is right here. (I believe PC has been met in spades)
It is probable during 20 phone calls, some a half hour to an hour, that Brian revealed what he did.

Thanks, I believe this is the missing piece for why they will most likely settle this, apologies and all.

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[Skigirl]

I recently listened to a podcast that featured a long-form interview with the Unabomber’s brother. He and his wife made the difficult decision to call in a tip after they read the Unabomber’s manifesto and recognized the writing. He now goes on speaking engagements about forgiveness with one of his brother’s victims.

He showed such integrity and courage and it’s such a stark contrast to what happened in this case. Unfortunately, the Laundries’ actions not only led to suffering for Gabby’s family, but by delaying his arrest, they made his eventual suicide easier to accomplish. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I recently listened to a podcast that featured a long-form interview with the Unabomber’s brother. He and his wife made the difficult decision to call in a tip after they read the Unabomber’s manifesto and recognized the writing. He now goes on speaking engagements about forgiveness with one of his brother’s victims.

He showed such integrity and courage and it’s such a stark contrast to what happened in this case. Unfortunately, the Laundries’ actions not only led to suffering for Gabby’s family, but by delaying his arrest, they made his eventual suicide easier to accomplish. MOO.

BL was a person of interest in this case and his parents were not charged with hindering his arrest. JMO.

Gabby Petito’s boyfriend Brian Laundrie a person of interest in her disappearance

The boyfriend of missing Long Island woman Gabby Petito has been identified as a person of interest in her mysterious disappearance, police said Wednesday.

nypost.com

 

[Cool Cats]

I recently listened to a podcast that featured a long-form interview with the Unabomber’s brother. He and his wife made the difficult decision to call in a tip after they read the Unabomber’s manifesto and recognized the writing. He now goes on speaking engagements about forgiveness with one of his brother’s victims.

He showed such integrity and courage and it’s such a stark contrast to what happened in this case. Unfortunately, the Laundries’ actions not only led to suffering for Gabby’s family, but by delaying his arrest, they made his eventual suicide easier to accomplish. MOO.

Sad, from the perspective you present it almost sounds like assisted suicide.

It amazes me how people deny that the Laundrie's caused suffering for Gabby's family. It is like telling someone "No, your feelings are not real." "What this person did to you did not affect you."

The question is:

Does the suffering rise to the level of civil liability?

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[NCWatcher]

Sad, from the perspective you present it almost sounds like assisted suicide.

It amazes me how people deny that the Laundrie's caused suffering for Gabby's family.It is like telling someone "No, your feeling are not real."

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BBM

I don't think the issue is whether Gabby's family suffered. I think we all know they did and still are. No one doubts that. Many of us also think the Laundries suffered and are still suffering. (And it amazes me when people deny that or somehow claim they "deserve it.")

But the lawsuit isn't about whether GP's family suffered. The issue is whether the Laundries should have contacted GP's family. Would they have suffered significantly less had the Laundries called to say "We don't know what happened, we don't know what our son meant by "Gabby's gone" but have you considered your daughter could be dead?" I don't think that would have lessened their suffering myself.
MOO

 

[MyBelle]

I recently listened to a podcast that featured a long-form interview with the Unabomber’s brother. He and his wife made the difficult decision to call in a tip after they read the Unabomber’s manifesto and recognized the writing. He now goes on speaking engagements about forgiveness with one of his brother’s victims.

He showed such integrity and courage and it’s such a stark contrast to what happened in this case. Unfortunately, the Laundries’ actions not only led to suffering for Gabby’s family, but by delaying his arrest, they made his eventual suicide easier to accomplish. MOO.

I don't know what case you are following but this one doesn't involve BL's parents delaying anything.
It isn't their fault the local cops mistook RL for BL.

JMO

North Port Police mistook mother as Brian Laundrie the week of his disappearance

The North Port Police Department says they made a mistake the week Brian Laundrie disappeared.

www.heraldtribune.com

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM

I don't think the issue is whether Gabby's family suffered. I think we all know they did and still are. No one doubts that. Many of us also think the Laundries suffered and are still suffering. (And it amazes me when people deny that or somehow claim they "deserve it.")

But the lawsuit isn't about whether GP's family suffered. The issue is whether the Laundries should have contacted GP's family. Would they have suffered significantly less had the Laundries called to say "We don't know what happened, we don't know what our son meant by "Gabby's gone" but have you considered your daughter could be dead?" I don't think that would have lessened their suffering myself.
MOO

Emotional distress - suffering - is the basis of the lawsuit. The Laundries are accused of causing emotional distress ie.... Suffering. Thus, civil liability.

Caused them extra suffering because it took 3 weeks for the Petitos to get answers. Had the Laundries called the Petitos the day they learned Gabby was gone, the search for her would have been started and publicized sooner and her remains would have been found sooner.

The "not knowing" and "desperation" was torture for them at that time.

Finding what happened sooner would not have helped them in grief but it allowed them to grieve and this should have happened sooner. 3 weeks is an utter disgrace.

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[housewife]

BL was a person of interest in this case and his parents were not charged with hindering his arrest. JMO.

Gabby Petito’s boyfriend Brian Laundrie a person of interest in her disappearance

The boyfriend of missing Long Island woman Gabby Petito has been identified as a person of interest in her mysterious disappearance, police said Wednesday.

nypost.com

I'm confused. The Unabomber's brother and sister in law were not charged with hindering his arrest either?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm confused. The Unabomber's brother and sister in law were not charged with hindering his arrest either?

I don't feel that the Unabomber case is a good analogy for this case. In the Unabomber case LE didn't have a person of interest to investigate until after Ted Kaczynski's brother contacted the authorities.

In Gabby's case, BL was an obvious suspect from the very beginning, being he was the last person to be with her. So the two cases are not close at all. JMO.