Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #89

  • #101
Yet they already did speak out briefly. Cassie directly and the parents through their lawyer.
Cassie has been estranged from her parents for over two years now, so she could hardly be described as speaking for Roberta and the mister... she felt she had been manipulated, and like all folks who get a sudden dose of sanity, she decided to cut her ties with mum and dad, and live wiser and better without the toxicity, .. a good decision, over all, plenty of people have to do that at some stage in their lives..

I admire Cassie for her insight as to what was actually done to her, she was collateral damage of both Roberta and Brian, but that's how it goes in a psychopaths closest relatives, it's gladiatorial, day in, day out, year in , year out, until one falls over.
 
  • #102
They will never speak out. M00
Never , never never. they will take it to their grave, UNLESS Roberta kicks off first and the mister decides to blab, he is definitely the weak link and that duo..
 
  • #103
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  • #104
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I believe the L's had the most insight to the true relationship as Gabby lived in their home with BL. Gabby's parents trusted BL and at the start of the Van Lifestyle Blog, felt she would be safe with him. Besides, what parent is going to 'put their foot down' and make a grown woman living away from home do anything? They can't, and Gabby seemed determined to remain with BL. They didn't have a clue as to how dysfunctional that relationship was, which isn't surprising in DV cases.

I don't blame anyone for Gabby's death except Bryan L, but I do blame his parents for their massive coverup after he returned home to Florida in Gabby's van with all her belongings and not her. It was their Constitutional Right not to speak with LE, but it was heartbreaking that they allowed Gabby's family to suffer by not sharing any information. :(

I wonder how they would have felt if Gabby had shown up in Florida with the van and Bryan's belongings and no Brian without explanation or any communication from her or her family.

JMO
 
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  • #105
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I believe the L's had the most insight to the true relationship as Gabby lived in their home with BL. Gabby's parents trusted BL and at the start of the Van Lifestyle Blog, felt she would be safe with him. Besides, what parent is going to 'put their foot down' and make a grown woman living away from home do anything? They can't, and Gabby seemed determined to remain with BL. They didn't have a clue as to how dysfunctional that relationship was, which isn't surprising in DV cases.

I don't blame anyone for Gabby's death except Bryan L, but I do blame his parents for their massive coverup after he returned home to Florida in Gabby's van with all her belongings and not her. It was their Constitutional Right not to speak with LE, but it was heartbreaking that they allowed Gabby's family to suffer by not sharing any information. :(

I wonder how they would have felt if Gabby had shown up in Florida with the van and Bryan's belongings and no Brian without explanation or any communication from her or her family.

JMO
Also that surveillance team who thought Roberta was Brian
 
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  • #106
Thank you for your voice of reason and your link to support it.
There are layers and nuances associated with abusive behaviors. It's clear that Brian Laundrie was abusive towards Gabby based on some eye-witness accounts and his ultimate murder and abandonment of her. In the documentary, we can see Gabby reacting to him in ways that belittled him (the dirty feet as one example). She admitted to being the aggressor in the van in Moab and I believe her. They were both triggering and reacting to the other's immature behaviors and they had no means of escaping the little van to take a time out. Almost every person close to this couple stated they saw no signs of abuse (Gabby's large family, the Laundries, former friends). It's often only in retrospect where people can put the pieces together to see the bigger picture.
MOO

BBM


MOO/IMO To say "they were both triggering and reacting to each other's immature behavior" puts them as equals in the relationship regarding how they treated each other. I respectfully disagree. It discounts and dismisses that Gabby was an abuse victim. (I also don't think complaining about dirty feet is belittling.)

MOO I think it's obvious that Gabby was engaging in what many consider a form of self-defense: reactive abuse.

"Reactive abuse occurs when someone who has been abused begins to defend themselves by responding to abuse with physical and/or verbal attacks." - Alexa Connors, LMSW, therapist.

Also, I want to provide another perspective to your statement about Gabby that "Almost every person close to this couple stated they saw no signs of abuse."

"Almost every person" might be correct, but a few posts back, in post #11 @Trooper provided you a quote and the originating article that indicated Gabby's mother learned from Gabby's friend that BL repeatedly strangled and/or throttled Gabby.


IMO/MOO


More info regarding reactive abuse: Understanding Reactive Abuse: Signs and Solutions
 
  • #107
BBM


MOO/IMO To say "they were both triggering and reacting to each other's immature behavior" puts them as equals in the relationship regarding how they treated each other. I respectfully disagree. It discounts and dismisses that Gabby was an abuse victim. (I also don't think complaining about dirty feet is belittling.)

MOO I think it's obvious that Gabby was engaging in what many consider a form of self-defense: reactive abuse.

"Reactive abuse occurs when someone who has been abused begins to defend themselves by responding to abuse with physical and/or verbal attacks." - Alexa Connors, LMSW, therapist.

Also, I want to provide another perspective to your statement about Gabby that "Almost every person close to this couple stated they saw no signs of abuse."

"Almost every person" might be correct, but a few posts back, in post #11 @Trooper provided you a quote and the originating article that indicated Gabby's mother learned from Gabby's friend that BL repeatedly strangled and/or throttled Gabby.


IMO/MOO


More info regarding reactive abuse: Understanding Reactive Abuse: Signs and Solutions
If you watch through the video, you'll notice two examples of BL looking offended to comments made while Gabby was filming him.
To me, in my opinion only, MOO, IMO, he looks like he's feeling belittled. (To dismiss someone as unimportant). That's the word I choose to use to illustrate his reaction.
It does not discount GP in any way to reflect the look on BL's face and to assign a word to describe what I see. You can choose to use a different word - like offended, or surprised, or even hurt, or pick a word to describe what you see in those two instances.
Even after watching that documentary, IMO the world will never know the extent of what was occurring deeper between the two of them.
For instance, I noticed that very few journal entries were shared, and likely for good reason. Our journals are where we generally feel safe to share our deepest thoughts, feelings and behaviors. It's essentially a history of the highs and lows of what's occurring daily in our lives. I would have expected more details from the journal to expand on the dynamics occurring.
The seemingly excitable and agitated friend Rose offered extremely strong opinions/statements about Gabby's relationship, yet all of Gabby's family and BL's family said they noticed zero abuse, despite them living with and visiting family members for quite some time.
Gabby chose this guy to date, to live with, travel with, to build a life with. There were things about BL that she obviously loved. They were in a relationship and engaged to be married. They were young.
I am not here to dissect all the ways she may have been abused or for how long, or the different types of abuse occurring.
Abuse is abuse is abuse.
Coercive control, physical violence, reactive abuse, psychological abuse, bullying - the list of abusive behaviors is endless really. In the end, it's about one person harming another person.
As I've said, there's no denying that Gabby was clearly harmed since she was murdered and abandoned at the hands of Brian Laundrie.
There are no winners in any kind of abusive relationships unfortunately.
The family of GP now has a strong purpose to help other victims and hopefully good will come from Gabby's murder because of the work of her parents and this documentary.
MOO.
 
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  • #108
If you watch through the video, you'll notice two examples of BL looking offended to comments made while Gabby was filming him.
To me, in my opinion only, MOO, IMO, he looks like he's feeling belittled. (To dismiss someone as unimportant). That's the word I choose to use to illustrate his reaction.
It does not discount GP in any way to reflect the look on BL's face and to assign a word to describe what I see. You can choose to use a different word - like offended, or surprised, or even hurt, or pick a word to describe what you see in those two instances.
Even after watching that documentary, IMO the world will never know the extent of what was occurring deeper between the two of them.
For instance, I noticed that very few journal entries were shared, and likely for good reason. Our journals are where we generally feel safe to share our deepest thoughts, feelings and behaviors. It's essentially a history of the highs and lows of what's occurring daily in our lives. I would have expected more details from the journal to expand on the dynamics occurring.
The seemingly excitable and agitated friend Rose offered extremely strong opinions/statements about Gabby's relationship, yet all of Gabby's family and BL's family said they noticed zero abuse, despite them living with and visiting family members for quite some time.
Gabby chose this guy to date, to live with, travel with, to build a life with. There were things about BL that she obviously loved. They were in a relationship and engaged to be married. They were young.
I am not here to dissect all the ways she may have been abused or for how long, or the different types of abuse occurring.
Abuse is abuse is abuse.
Coercive control, physical violence, reactive abuse, psychological abuse, bullying - the list of abusive behaviors is endless really. In the end, it's about one person harming another person.
As I've said, there's no denying that Gabby was clearly harmed since she was murdered and abandoned at the hands of Brian Laundrie.
There are no winners in any kind of abusive relationships unfortunately.
The family of GP now has a strong purpose to help other victims and hopefully good will come from Gabby's murder because of the work of her parents and this documentary.
MOO.


BBM

IMO MOO

You said "Gabby reacting to him in ways that belittled him." That's your opinion. I disagreed.

Now you say he "looks like he's feeling belittled," and that he looks offended. Of course he looks offended. He was an abuser. She may not be sneezing correctly and he would look offended.

IMO MOO As an abuse victim to her abuser BL, there were probably many, many times Gabby could not do anything right.

You dismiss Rose's claims, but IMO it's credible and believable --- and very, very important.


MOO
 
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  • #109
BBM

IMO MOO

You said "Gabby reacting to him in ways that belittled him." That's your opinion. I disagreed.

Now you say he "looks like he's feeling belittled," and that he looks offended. Of course he looks offended. He was an abuser. She may not be sneezing correctly and he would look offended.

IMO MOO As an abuse victim to her abuser BL, there were probably many, many times Gabby could not do anything right.

You dismiss Rose's claims, but IMO it's credible and believable --- and very, very important.


MOO
We all have opinions. This thread is not sbout Rose but would you know why Rose never went to someone in authority with her believable and credible claims before her best friend was murdered?
 
  • #110
We all have opinions. This thread is not sbout Rose but would you know why Rose never went to someone in authority with her believable and credible claims before her best friend was murdered?

Sorry, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. I'm not sure if you mean there's a specific reason she didn't, or that she should have.

IMO There's evidence that her claim is credible. But I have no way of knowing for sure. There's no reason to argue about it. You said no one indicated abuse, and it was pointed out that Rose is the exception. You don't think her claim is credible. OK then.


IMO MOO
 
  • #111
Sorry, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. I'm not sure if you mean there's a specific reason she didn't, or that she should have.

IMO There's evidence that her claim is credible. But I have no way of knowing for sure. There's no reason to argue about it. You said no one indicated abuse, and it was pointed out that Rose is the exception. You don't think her claim is credible. OK then.


IMO MOO
But Rose never said she saw any physical abuse even after the fact. She said GP told her she slapped BL when he hid her driver's license so she couldn't go barhopping with Rose. And Rose said GP said BL shoved GP after she slapped him.
MOO
 
  • #112
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I am not here to dissect all the ways she may have been abused or for how long, or the different types of abuse occurring.
Abuse is abuse is abuse.
Coercive control, physical violence, reactive abuse, psychological abuse, bullying - the list of abusive behaviors is endless really. In the end, it's about one person harming another person.
[.....]
Clipped by me.



IMO MOO
Reactive abuse (some say a form of self-defense) is a very major part of Gabby's story. It's at the heart of the Moab stop and reasons for many debates here.

IMO MOO what you view as Gabby and BL "both triggering and reacting to each other's immature behavior" is reactive abuse (a form of self-defense) on Gabby's part.

MOO IMO
 
  • #113
But Rose never said she saw any physical abuse even after the fact. She said GP told her she slapped BL when he hid her driver's license so she couldn't go barhopping with Rose. And Rose said GP said BL shoved GP after she slapped him.
MOO
in the documentary Rose didn't say barhopping, they were going to an exercise class. He wanted to stop GP from having any interests. He also didn't like her having a job. Those actions are abusive. Jmo, moo
 
  • #114
in the documentary Rose didn't say barhopping, they were going to an exercise class. He wanted to stop GP from having any interests. He also didn't like her having a job. Those actions are abusive. Jmo, moo
That's not what she was quoted as saying at the time. I'll look for the link.
 
  • #115
Sorry, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. I'm not sure if you mean there's a specific reason she didn't, or that she should have.

IMO There's evidence that her claim is credible. But I have no way of knowing for sure. There's no reason to argue about it. You said no one indicated abuse, and it was pointed out that Rose is the exception. You don't think her claim is credible. OK then.


IMO MOO
Post #34: What I actually said, "Almost every person close to this couple stated they saw no signs of abuse (Gabby's large family, the Laundries, former friends). It's often only in retrospect where people can put the pieces together to see the bigger picture."
 
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  • #116
in the documentary Rose didn't say barhopping, they were going to an exercise class. He wanted to stop GP from having any interests. He also didn't like her having a job. Those actions are abusive. Jmo, moo
Here is what Rose said at the time in Sept 2021. She did not say they were going to an "exercise class." She said they were going to a bar to dance. (Not the first time Rose has contradicted herself, it seems to me.)

She said GP became "hysterical" when BL took her driver's license and "she told me she slapped him and said something about him pushing her." (At the time Rose never said she saw physical abuse. Not sure if that's what she says now.)

Gabby Petito's friend claims her fiancé was jealous and controlling

She also said she considered BL a friend and said.

"Gabby, who worked last year at Taco Bell and then took a job at a smoothie place, would sometimes join Rose when she was working her job delivering pizza.

'We'd tell people she was my emotional service human,' Rose giggled.

Rose got to know Laundrie early on when she'd visit their home in North Port.

'I used to consider him a friend, for sure, because I'd hang out with them a good amount,' she noted.

'He had this composure as a sweet, nice, caring guy. But you could tell he's a little off, a little weird. Like, he'd set up our hammocks when we'd go to beach, but wouldn't sit with us, which I found bizarre."

She also said "... the couple wouldn't argue in front of her, but she could tell afterward. Gabby would appear upset, but he'd seem calm."
MOO
 
  • #117
If you watch through the video, you'll notice two examples of BL looking offended to comments made while Gabby was filming him.
To me, in my opinion only, MOO, IMO, he looks like he's feeling belittled. (To dismiss someone as unimportant). That's the word I choose to use to illustrate his reaction.
It does not discount GP in any way to reflect the look on BL's face and to assign a word to describe what I see. You can choose to use a different word - like offended, or surprised, or even hurt, or pick a word to describe what you see in those two instances.
Even after watching that documentary, IMO the world will never know the extent of what was occurring deeper between the two of them.
For instance, I noticed that very few journal entries were shared, and likely for good reason. Our journals are where we generally feel safe to share our deepest thoughts, feelings and behaviors. It's essentially a history of the highs and lows of what's occurring daily in our lives. I would have expected more details from the journal to expand on the dynamics occurring.
The seemingly excitable and agitated friend Rose offered extremely strong opinions/statements about Gabby's relationship, yet all of Gabby's family and BL's family said they noticed zero abuse, despite them living with and visiting family members for quite some time.
Gabby chose this guy to date, to live with, travel with, to build a life with. There were things about BL that she obviously loved. They were in a relationship and engaged to be married. They were young.
I am not here to dissect all the ways she may have been abused or for how long, or the different types of abuse occurring.
Abuse is abuse is abuse.
Coercive control, physical violence, reactive abuse, psychological abuse, bullying - the list of abusive behaviors is endless really. In the end, it's about one person harming another person.
As I've said, there's no denying that Gabby was clearly harmed since she was murdered and abandoned at the hands of Brian Laundrie.
There are no winners in any kind of abusive relationships unfortunately.
The family of GP now has a strong purpose to help other victims and hopefully good will come from Gabby's murder because of the work of her parents and this documentary.
MOO.


Well, it appears that Brian was skilled at gaslighting others into thinking he was the victim, when in fact he was an entitled brat who couldn't take a moment to clean his feet, if only to make the alleged love of his life more comfortable.

It shouldn't have made him feel belittled. He should have been proud to make her happy, even if his feet were clean enough for his lifestyle. And, if he found they were incompatible because of housekeeping differences, the proper course is breaking off the relationship, not murder.

MOO
 
  • #118
Well, it appears that Brian was skilled at gaslighting others into thinking he was the victim, when in fact he was an entitled brat who couldn't take a moment to clean his feet, if only to make the alleged love of his life more comfortable.

It shouldn't have made him feel belittled. He should have been proud to make her happy, even if his feet were clean enough for his lifestyle. And, if he found they were incompatible because of housekeeping differences, the proper course is breaking off the relationship, not murder.

MOO
It seems some here are overly disgusted by his bare feet in a van while at a campsite with zero context other than a seconds-long clip of him being recorded while being reprimanded. I think bare feet was the least of concern in their relationship. BTW, it was she that found the housekeeping incompatible according to the documentary. Obviously the relationship was a mess and not the utopia you describe.

MOO
 
  • #119
It seems some here are overly disgusted by his bare feet in a van while at a campsite with zero context other than a seconds-long clip of him being recorded while being reprimanded. I think bare feet was the least of concern in their relationship. BTW, it was she that found the housekeeping incompatible according to the documentary. Obviously the relationship was a mess and not the utopia you describe.

MOO
No, it was that she tended to show carefully curated happy times on their trips, and like a typical domestic abuse victim- hide the assault, even from her family and friends. It's only because of the bodycam footage of the Moab PD that we even know that the incident took place and that her face had marks on it.
 
  • #120
No, it was that she tended to show carefully curated happy times on their trips, and like a typical domestic abuse victim- hide the assault, even from her family and friends. It's only because of the bodycam footage of the Moab PD that we even know that the incident took place and that her face had marks on it.
Which incident? You seem to be talking about something different. I do agree though that she shared the false narrative of carefully curated happy times on their trips. Fake happy. Like the video by Paramore.
MOO
 

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