Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #89

[Bluebear15]

Here is what Rose said at the time in Sept 2021. She did not say they were going to an "exercise class." She said they were going to a bar to dance. (Not the first time Rose has contradicted herself, it seems to me.)

She said GP became "hysterical" when BL took her driver's license and "she told me she slapped him and said something about him pushing her." (At the time Rose never said she saw physical abuse. Not sure if that's what she says now.)

Gabby Petito's friend claims her fiancé was jealous and controlling

She also said she considered BL a friend and said.

"Gabby, who worked last year at Taco Bell and then took a job at a smoothie place, would sometimes join Rose when she was working her job delivering pizza.

'We'd tell people she was my emotional service human,' Rose giggled.

Rose got to know Laundrie early on when she'd visit their home in North Port.

'I used to consider him a friend, for sure, because I'd hang out with them a good amount,' she noted.

'He had this composure as a sweet, nice, caring guy. But you could tell he's a little off, a little weird. Like, he'd set up our hammocks when we'd go to beach, but wouldn't sit with us, which I found bizarre."

She also said "... the couple wouldn't argue in front of her, but she could tell afterward. Gabby would appear upset, but he'd seem calm."
MOO

Going to A bar is NOT the same as barhopping. If GP had done this to Brian she'd be getting called controlling, jealous and nuts!! Yet it seems to be ok for Brian to act like this. Jmo, moo
P.s. you may wish to watch the documentary, it is clear to me that Brian was the abuser.

 

[NCWatcher]

Going to A bar is NOT the same as barhopping. If GP had done this to Brian she'd be getting called controlling, jealous and nuts!! Yet it seems to be ok for Brian to act like this. Jmo, moo

Ok. Going to a bar to go dancing is not barhopping. But going to a bar to dance certainly isn't going to an "exercise class" either. Rose said they were going to a bar when she spoke in 2021. Now in the documentary she says they were going to an exercise class? Frankly, I don't find her terribly credible for lots of reasons.

The issue I was discussing wasn't control. It was whether Rose witnessed physical abuse. It doesn't appear she did. The couple didn't fight in front of her she said. And the slapping/shoving incident GP told Rose about. She did not witness it.
MOO

 

[Bluebear15]

It doesn't actually matter where she was going. Taking (stealing) her driving licence to stop her going out is a form of abuse. In the uk it's called coercive control. It's as relevant as physical abuse. Jmo, moo

 

[NCWatcher]

It doesn't actually matter where she was going. Taking (stealing) her driving licence to stop her going out is a form of abuse. In the uk it's called coercive control. It's as relevant as physical abuse. Jmo, moo

It matters if Rose changes her story about what was happening. Doing that makes her an unreliable source for information. You may find hiding a license as bad as hitting someone. I don't.
MOO

 

[LinasK]

Which incident? You seem to be talking about something different. I do agree though that she shared the false narrative of carefully curated happy times on their trips. Fake happy. Like the video by Paramore.
MOO

That he slapped her in Moab.

 

[LinasK]

Ok. Going to a bar to go dancing is not barhopping. But going to a bar to dance certainly isn't going to an "exercise class" either. Rose said they were going to a bar when she spoke in 2021. Now in the documentary she says they were going to an exercise class? Frankly, I don't find her terribly credible for lots of reasons.

The issue I was discussing wasn't control. It was whether Rose witnessed physical abuse. It doesn't appear she did. The couple didn't fight in front of her she said. And the slapping/shoving incident GP told Rose about. She did not witness it.
MOO

Who cares whether she went dancing or to an exercise class? The point is that Brian didn't want her going out with friends. Abusers like to isolate their victims.

 

[NCWatcher]

Who cares whether she went dancing or to an exercise class? The point is that Brian didn't want her going out with friends. Abusers like to isolate their victims.

As I said before, the original discussion was about two things: 1) whether Rose actually saw physical abuse between GP & BL (it appears she did not, at least that's what she said in 2021) 2) Rose and her reliability as a reporter.

To me, there's a lot of difference between going to an exercise class and going to a bar to dance. If I did those activities, I don't think I'd get them mixed up. Rose has told two stories about the hidden license and where they were going-- one story, the bar story, was told back in 2021 before GP's body was found and the other one, the exercise class story, was told in the recent documentary. Those stories certainly are different. I happen to think that matters if we are accepting as gospel the rest of her story about the hidden license. We have nobody's word for any of that except Rose's and her word seems iffy.
MOO

 

[Megnut]

Rose isn't under oath.

A docuseries isn't a trial.

Gabby is dead.

I give credence to a flagged form of domestic abuse, especially in light of murder at the hands of her boyfriend. Homicidal domestic violence.

Even if Rose (or the shows producers changed the name of the outing), does it really matter where Gabby wanted to go? What gives Brian the right to stop her?

And what possible motivation could Rose possibly have for making the story up? We already know Brian had no trouble taking Gabby's keys, phone, van, money, life...

Taking her driver's license fits.

And it's as abusive as blocking her bodily. Control is control.

JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

Rose isn't under oath.

A docuseries isn't a trial.

Gabby is dead.

I give credence to a flagged form of domestic abuse, especially in light of murder at the hands of her boyfriend. Homicidal domestic violence.

Even if Rose (or the shows producers changed the name of the outing), does it really matter where Gabby wanted to go? What gives Brian the right to stop her?

And what possible motivation could Rose possibly have for making the story up? We already know Brian had no trouble taking Gabby's keys, phone, van, money, life...

Taking her driver's license fits.

And it's as abusive as blocking her bodily. Control is control.

JMO

Before debating if BL had a right to stop GP from going somewhere, it would be good to know if it really happened. But we don't know if the story is true. I have no idea why Rose would make up a story but none of us know her. Some people do tend to tell stories that aren't true. I don't know why she changed the story either but that made me wonder about the story in ways that hadn't occurred to me before (as it surely appears she did change the story.) Of course she wasn't under oath either time she told the story but that's kind of immaterial. When evaluating a person's credibility, it's not necessary to evaluate only their court testimony! And it's not usual for people to change details in a story like that in ordinary everyday life. You are correct though it's possible the "documentary" producers wanted a "more innocent" sounding outing than going to a bar to dance might sound. Not sure one would need a government ID to go to an exercise class though.
MOO

 

[LinasK]

Before debating if BL had a right to stop GP from going somewhere, it would be good to know if it really happened. But we don't know if the story is true. I have no idea why Rose would make up a story but none of us know her. Some people do tend to tell stories that aren't true. I don't know why she changed the story either but that made me wonder about the story in ways that hadn't occurred to me before (as it surely appears she did change the story.) Of course she wasn't under oath either time she told the story but that's kind of immaterial. When evaluating a person's credibility, it's not necessary to evaluate only their court testimony! And it's not usual for people to change details in a story like that in ordinary everyday life. You are correct though it's possible the "documentary" producers wanted a "more innocent" sounding outing than going to a bar to dance might sound. Not sure one would need a government ID to go to an exercise class though.
MOO

Her story fits with Brian's patterns of abuse. Why would you need a government ID to go dancing either- unless you are referring to needing a Driver's License to purchase alcohol at a bar. Either way, Brian stealing her DL is abusive and theft, just like taking her phone is. She wasn't a child, and he wasn't her parent. He had no right to her personal property, nor her ATM card, nor her van. And especially no right to end her life. He was a typical narcissist.

 

[NCWatcher]

Her story fits with Brian's patterns of abuse. Why would you need a government ID to go dancing either- unless you are referring to needing a Driver's License to purchase alcohol at a bar. Either way, Brian stealing her DL is abusive and theft, just like taking her phone is. She wasn't a child, and he wasn't her parent. He had no right to her personal property, nor her ATM card, nor her van. And especially no right to end her life. He was a typical narcissist.

Someone who looks young or near the age cutoff to buy alcohol (in Florida it's 21) usually needs an "official" ID to enter a bar. We don't know when Rose says the incident happened (the date may have changed along with the other details, of course) but GP was probably 21 at the time. (It sounds like Rose didn't see her after the couple moved out of the free condo and in with the L's. Rose denied they ever lived with the L's & we know that's not true.) it's unlikely an official ID would be needed for an exercise class. At any rate, she didn't say it was an exercise class in 2021. That story came years later.
MOO

 

[Trooper]

Whether Rose got this wrong or Rose got that wrong, the end result is Brian, out of sheer malice and psychopathic fury decided to murder Gabby in the most personal, in your face way that he possibly could, strangling someone requires eye to eye contact, and he wanted to watch her die, he wanted her to know it was him murdering her, he wanted her to know she was going to die out in the wild, alone, totally alone, that he would never let go of her throat until she drew her last breath, and then to top it all off, he banged her about the head with a rock, and then, as even Neanderthal people never did, left her body exposed to the wind,, the grit, the dust, the passing animals, without a token of remembrance or indicator, without a marker, just abandoned.


This was the girl who got his special breakfast, the ridiculous oats and blueberry mess, who brushed off his gritty filthy feet, who , and god alone knows why or how , loved him. The awfulness of it is beyond description. She was only 22. Twenty Two. That's all. On the adventure of her life, sharing it with the man who killed her in is usual performative way, he would not , could not let her live.


Rose is grieving her friend, her murdered friend, people in grief make mistakes, sometimes,

So it kind of put's Rose's errors into some perspective. The errors mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.

 

[NCWatcher]

Whether Rose got this wrong or Rose got that wrong, the end result is Brian, out of sheer malice and psychopathic fury decided to murder Gabby in the most personal, in your face way that he possibly could, strangling someone requires eye to eye contact, and he wanted to watch her die, he wanted her to know it was him murdering her, he wanted her to know she was going to die out in the wild, alone, totally alone, that he would never let go of her throat until she drew her last breath, and then to top it all off, he banged her about the head with a rock, and then, as even Neanderthal people never did, left her body exposed to the wind,, the grit, the dust, the passing animals, without a token of remembrance or indicator, without a marker, just abandoned.


This was the girl who got his special breakfast, the ridiculous oats and blueberry mess, who brushed off his gritty filthy feet, who , and god alone knows why or how , loved him. The awfulness of it is beyond description. She was only 22. Twenty Two. That's all. On the adventure of her life, sharing it with the man who killed her in is usual performative way, he would not , could not let her live.


So it kind of put's Rose's errors into some perspective. The errors mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.

The inconsistencies in Rose's stories may mean nothing to you. That's fine. But I have trouble (with any witness) accepting parts of the witness's stories as 100% true and blowing off other parts-- not opinion parts but factual parts-- that clearly aren't true or clearly have been changed. While grief can affect memories, that sort of change (what she and GP planned to do that night) would not seem to be the sort of specific memory affected years later by grief. It seems especially odd since Rose had talked to reporters in 2021 about the plan being to go dancing in a bar. I also wonder about general truthfulness when it looks like the changes that have been made may have been attempts to "whitewash" parts of a story. Others may not be bothered by that either. And it's possible the documentary makers wanted the story changed to better fit the story they wanted to tell. And Rose agreed to tell a different story. That doesn't give me confidence in her as a witness though.
MOO

 

[Trooper]

The inconsistencies in Rose's stories may mean nothing to you. That's fine. But I have trouble (with any witness) accepting parts of the witness's stories as 100% true and blowing off other parts-- not opinion parts but factual parts-- that clearly aren't true or clearly have been changed. While grief can affect memories, that sort of change (what she and GP planned to do that night) would not seem to be the sort of specific memory affected years later by grief. It seems especially odd since Rose had talked to reporters in 2021 about the plan being to go dancing in a bar. I also wonder about general truthfulness when it looks like the changes that have been made may have been attempts to "whitewash" parts of a story. Others may not be bothered by that either. And it's possible the documentary makers wanted the story changed to better fit the story they wanted to tell. And Rose agreed to tell a different story. That doesn't give me confidence in her as a witness though.
MOO

Doesn't change anything. Gabby is still dead. Horrifically dead, at the hands of Brian.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Who cares whether she went dancing or to an exercise class? The point is that Brian didn't want her going out with friends. Abusers like to isolate their victims.

Nobody cares where Gabby was going that night.
But most of us want accurate and true information to be shared rather than false accounts of events.
This woman Rose is trying to be relevant in the story of Gabby being murdered IMO. If she had seen DV in that relationship or been aware of DV at the time, she failed miserably IMO to do anything about it such as at the very least inform her parents or LE or somebody of her concerns. We know this because everyone else close to Gabby reported they were unaware of any abuse happening.
Now, this woman is out there changing details in her story that others have the right to question - because truth matters.
Yes, abusers like to isolate their victims. Yes, obviously Brian was abusive in every way. I think those here are well informed and educated about the various forms of abuse that occurs in relationships where people end up being murdered.
Despite what Gabby told Rose happened that night, she did end up going out that night because according to Rose, Gabby slapped Brian, which she could have been charged for because it's a DV offense to slap others for any reason. Gabby herself admitted to slapping Brian in the Moab incident too, for which she also could have been charged.
The relationship between Gabby and Brian was clearly a mess from long before their cross country trip and if Rose has any relevance at all in this story, she talked about what Gabby told her after the murder, even though some details have changed.
MOO

 

[LinasK]

Doesn't change anything. Gabby is still dead. Horrifically dead, at the hands of Brian.

Exactly! And that's the bottom line. Rose will never be called as a witness because Brian chose to end his own life rather than to face a jury for killing Gabby. Rose's credibility isn't what's at issue here.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Exactly! And that's the bottom line. Rose will never be called as a witness because Brian chose to end his own life rather than to face a jury for killing Gabby. Rose's credibility isn't what's at issue here.

Yes @LinasK ….. and I have no idea, but if I found myself in a similar predicament after one of my friends was brutally slain at the hands of another…. I might feel guilt and upset that I wasn’t able to affect the outcome. MOO

 

[Trooper]

Exactly! And that's the bottom line. Rose will never be called as a witness because Brian chose to end his own life rather than to face a jury for killing Gabby. Rose's credibility isn't what's at issue here.

Rose is a victim. An involuntary victim, a girl who's friend was murdered horrifically, by the person she loved, it hardly bears thinking on. This focus on Rose is merely to distract from the true criminal in this story, Brian Laundrie <modsnip> who was lucky enough to be treasured by Gabby .

 

[Vaderman]

This focus on Rose is merely to distract from the true criminal in this story,

Agreed. Rose's claims that Brian exhibited abusive behavior is more believable considering Brian murdered Gabby is far more believable than Rose just making up stories to...make up stories?

 

[Trooper]

Agreed. Rose's claims that Brian exhibited abusive behavior is more believable considering Brian murdered Gabby is far more believable than Rose just making up stories to...make up stories?

Precisely!!