Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #4

[bellyup]

<modsnip>... if you start with the presupposition that BL is an abuser... it's clear from this forum that EVERYTHING he does (or we imagine he does) is some kind of evidence of some kind of abuse... and if we see him do something objectively good... well that's just the way clever abusers are!
I heard GP crying in the car because she's tired, dirty, living in a tough situation, and her boyfriend doesn't believe she'll become a TikTok star. People on this forum hear he's mentally and financially abusing her - while trying to steal her car!

Unless you are familiar with behavioral patterns as they relate to emotional and mental abuse they can be hard to spot.

I didn't start with the presupposition that BL was an abuser. In fact, I went back and forth through out the video and listened carefully watching for patterns of behavior. One pattern that stood out to me was GP's repeated insistence that she was the problem. A classic victim response called "fawning". Take all the accountability. You're unstable. You're the problem. It's the human equivalent of rolling over and playing dead hoping you won't be harmed further.

Couple that with Brian's pattern of denying, accusing and reversing victim and offender (called DARVO) it's a classic mental/emotional abuse cycle. There's other things that show the cycle as well (including Gabby's high emotional state and near hysterics being fight or flight). For what it's worth I also tried to see patterns in reverse and they just weren't there. Someone posted the abuse wheel, might be worth taking a look at.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don’t think he didn’t want her arrested for HER sake, because look, she is missing and he doesn’t care. Why would he care about her having a record? He didn’t want her arrested and questioned because then she would feel safer to admit that he has been violent toward her and that she scratched him in self defense.

I think he thought the whole thing was an inconvenience.

I haven't seen any indication that he had a history of being violent towards her, but Gabby mentioned that "he thought she couldn't do it," when talking about her YouTube channel. It's possible he may have put her down or criticized her instead of being supportive, which would have added to her anxiety.

I think he was more interested in hiking and exploring rather than documenting their trip. That may be what triggered the arguing in the previous days. IMO

 

[citizen_sleuth]

If you watch their youtube video, Gabby is driving for a lot of it on interstate roads.
She's about to get into the van and drive away but her question is about driving it the next morning? It seems odd to me and I wonder if she was just trying to find out where they were taking him.

She did ask the officer in the footage where he was being taken and the officer explained he couldn’t divulge that information.

 

[wnk]

...And the combination of DV and mental health concerns can be so dangerous. I’m wondering how her OCD plays into their dispute - so much so she decided to mention it as a factor.

We do not know that she actually had any diagnosed mental health issues.

For all we know, she could have simply had very reasonable safety concerns that she was told over and over were "just her anxiety talking" or reasonable requests to clean up that she was told over and over were her being "OCD" and she internalized those statements by someone she trusted as being fact.

 

[Birmingplumb]

Per the 5th Amendment to the Constitution:

The self-incrimination clause provides various protections against self-incrimination, including the right of an individual to not serve as a witness in a criminal case in which they are the defendant. "Pleading the Fifth" is a colloquial term often used to invoke the self-incrimination clause when witnesses decline to answer questions where the answers might incriminate them.

Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

IMHOO

I get that .....but why? why did the founders grant someone who has committed a crime a right not to speak ?? What past event caused this? maybe in England? that makes this a bad thing? ( making someone speak) there has to be data backing this up .... I don't still understand why besides providing a living for lawers

 

[Breezie]

Moonflower Co-op worker speaks of eerie link between Gabby Petito and double murder

Ms Keating said it was “strange” that nobody who was working that day had noticed the police officers attending the fight.

“I don’t know how we wouldn’t have known if the cops weren’t called outside our store. I’m guessing somebody was sitting outside of our store and I’m guessing that’s the person who saw them and called the police.”

The theory that BL was upset that Kylen might have made the call is unlikely even if she was working that day. It is just a strange coincidence that Kylen and her spouse were last seen leaving a bar, the day after, August 13.

 

[LietKynes]

I agree 100% I also wanted to add too, you had mentioned earlier this morning about Brian refusing the water and I mentioned how he said he doesn't like plastic* (I miss heard him say glass early this morning) bottles. I gave it some thought and yes, it is plausible that's why he refused a bottle of water but I also get this very stubborn air about Brian. Particularly the comment: "I'm dirty and I can't change being dirty..." (Yeah, you can say that again.) I respect being strong in his convictions for environment but like you are clearly thirsty dude, just accept some water, if not out of common courtesy. I agree though, that was a weird moment in the video.

Ummm... Maybe Gabby wasn't the one with ocd ?
No one is perfect.
Not Gabby.
Not Brian.
But a trip like this can sour quickly and I think things went downhill in a horrible manner.
And, Brian's not the one who is missing.
Just saying.
MOO.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Her mother suspects the last two texts she received from Gabby's phone weren't sent by Gabby. So it's possible he took her phone so that he'd have a phone for the return trip. We don't know where that phone is now; he could have thrown it away en route, after texting GP's mother. Or not. Would the current investigation be able to locate her phone by GPS?

I think he tossed the phone after the texts. Taking it would provide evidence by cellphone data. I'm guessing he knew this since it's basically common knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 121463]

If Gabby suffered from anxiety and depression, BL calling her ‘crazy’ would only serve to deepen her anxiety and depression. Words hurt.

Exactly. It's demeaning and I feel like she is conditioned to blame everything on her supposed 'anxiety'

 

[SuziQ]

his address wasn’t on the registration? He didn’t put his own money and work into the van? He was the primary driver of the vehicle?

Legally none of that matters. His name was not on the title.

 

[oviedo]

So good to see so many of you here that were with me during Kenzie’s case! @Gardenista @Seattle1 @oviedo to name a few.
The body cam footage only gives a small look into the relationship, but like many have said DV can’t really be ruled out. And the combination of DV and mental health concerns can be so dangerous. I’m wondering how her OCD plays into their dispute - so much so she decided to mention it as a factor.

I wish I knew more about diagnosed OCD - but staying in the confines of that van would give me pause. Even with the tent - that life is not cut out for me for sure.
JMO

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Question regarding the body cam footage (not sure if this was discussed here yet - posts are going so fast) - at 48:51 the officer opens the door and GP was on her phone and then puts it down - as he is about the shut the door at the end of the conversation he says something like "I will let you get back to your parents"..(not sure if thats exact). Anyone else hear this?

Yes the officer does say that. When he first approaches the car, the female officer says that she’s on the phone with her parents to try and calm down.

 

[Nah]

Unless you are familiar with behavioral patterns as they relate to emotional and mental abuse they can be hard to spot.

I didn't start with the presupposition that BL was an abuser. In fact, I went back and forth through out the video and listened carefully watching for patterns of behavior. One pattern that stood out to me was GP's repeated insistence that she was the problem. A classic victim response called "fawning". Take all the accountability. You're unstable. You're the problem. It's the human equivalent of rolling over and playing dead hoping you won't be harmed further.

Couple that with Brian's pattern of denying, accusing and reversing victim and offender (called DARVO) it's a classic mental/emotional abuse cycle. There's other things that show the cycle as well (including Gabby's high emotional state and near hysterics being fight or flight). For what it's worth I also tried to see patterns in reverse and they just weren't there. Someone posted the abuse wheel, might be worth taking a look at.

THIS absolutely. I noticed this even in just the couple of clips they showed in a news segment. She’s putting the blame on herself. Crying, speaking apologetically. Boyfriend seems confident and unruffled rather than concerned for his girlfriend. Even just a few seconds of video plus reading partial transcripts screams narcissistic boyfriend to me, but that’s JMHO, MOO.

 

[Heaven Leigh]

I would think a Lawyer would advise his client to cooperate if they are innocent and a person is missing.
Not cooperating when you have a Lawyer seems shady. Rights or not.

 

[shotgun09]

So good to see so many of you here that were with me during Kenzie’s case! @Gardenista @Seattle1 @oviedo to name a few.
The body cam footage only gives a small look into the relationship, but like many have said DV can’t really be ruled out. And the combination of DV and mental health concerns can be so dangerous. I’m wondering how her OCD plays into their dispute - so much so she decided to mention it as a factor.

IMO, their dispute may have started because of sand in the tent. He discussed his sand-filled shoes/sandals to the LE. I recall seeing a picture of their tent posted somewhere...It was a delightfully clean and bright picture of a tent. Perfectly made bed, things placed in the corners with precision. GP's admitted OCD was probably an issue when it came to things being clean and in their spot.
Could be what started it? My guess

 

[HolographicOne]

They can get a search warrant for that, provided they have enough probable cause (prints, DNA, body examination).

It may have already happened, and we just don’t know it.

They must have evidence a crime was committed.

 

[MassGuy]

They must have evidence a crime was committed.

That’s why I said “provided they have enough probable cause.”

 

[Deleted member 718]

This story is so heartbreaking. I wish we could go back in time and someone would have told Gabby to just call her parents for help. They love her and would have been there for her. Her family would have helped her get home. They would have flown out and driven her van back if she was scared. I wish she knew this relationship wasn’t worth saving, that it was ok if her van living travel blog lifestyle wasn’t what she thought it would be, and that it wasn’t too late to just start over and try something else. I wish she had called her parents. I hope that she will be found, and will be able to call them so they can help her pick up the pieces.

I know it's easy to say could've would've should've. Gabby's on the phone with her mother while she's in the back of the patrol car. I wonder what was said during that convo. If it was my daughter, I'd be saying this trip isn't working out. It's okay when plans fail. Time to come home.

49:49 mark

 

[bellyup]

This is such an unfair accusation, to say there is no evidence to show he didn't hit her. That's just twisted, in my opinion.

To be clear, I was responding to someone flat out saying we "know" BL didn't hit her.

There's really no evidence he did (aside him saying he pushed her) and there's no evidence he did not. No definitive statement can really be made either way IMO.

 

[Skigirl]

If I thought my bf of 2 years was going to abandon me nearly 3000 miles from my home and family... in a van we had worked together to convert with plans to commit to travel in, in a freedom-loving but logical plan... I would likely have behaved the same as GP. (Call me crazy but that's my opinion)

Totally! My husband and I had an argument at night in Venice once and I remember how terrified I was when he stomped off because I didn't speak Italian and Venice is insanely confusing and I wasn't sure I would ever find our hotel again. I felt unsafe and vulnerable and I was so freaked out that I was practically screaming at him. I refused to stop following him. It wasn't because I was abusive, it was because I was scared for my life. Fortunately, he realized how dangerous it would be too, before I had to do whatever the equivalent of crawling in the driver side window would have been.

Given how hot it was, how broke they seem to have been, and the fact that neither of them knew anyone, the idea of being abandoned would have been absolutely terrifying. Very close to "emotional abuse" in my opinion.