Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #46

[Claire182]

Morning guys, I am just wondering why I haven’t seen any information on what BL was last seen wearing? Isn’t that generally standard in a missing person/fugitive case? I think it would be useful because if he is on the run he wouldn’t have much space for clothes in a backpack since he would need food/water more and if people need to be on the look out for him wouldn’t that be useful for the public to know? Maybe I missed this information but I have been following the site daily. JMO

 

[TheGardener]

Regarding the police reports for Sept 10 and Sept 11 at the Laundrie house...

I can't help but think the calls and texts from Gabby's parents triggered an argument or fight at the Laundrie house--one bad enough to result in a call to 911.

That makes me think that Brian was lying to his parents up to that point and that he finally told them something that upset them badly. We know Brian physically abused (and probably mentally abused) Gabby, but we don't know if it was learned behavior. Could his father have been so upset that he used his fists on Brian, causing RL to call 911?

JMOO

The more I think about it, once Brian's parents figured out something was going on -- sure, they lawyered-up --but they also came down hard on Brian.

I really don't think they helped Brian abscond, I think they hired an attorney for him but that they (at least his father) were very angry. Maybe the conversations took the form of telling him he'd ruined all their lives, that he'd be lucky if he ever got out of prison, things like that. I think everything changed in the Laundrie home on Sept 10, and it only took a few more days for Brian to realize he either had to run away or end his life. Or, both.

All MOO

I think this is quite possible...and its all coming true, isn't it? He's managed to get the entire world hating people they don't know. Its probably going to kill their business. They're near retirement age - an awful time to lose income and become the poster children for helping someone the world considers a murderer to abscond. MOO

 

[x_files]

I wondered this after watching the new body cam footage. The officer asks BL if he would be “ok” with Gabby taking the van for the night. IMO it wasn’t up to BL because it was HER van. Just thought that was odd in the stop.

Could be a genuine mistake because he was driving it or a bit of old fashion sexism.
My guess since he was driving they assumed it was his even after they looked at the registration.

 

[Sweet Mister]

Morning guys, I am just wondering why I haven’t seen any information on what BL was last seen wearing? Isn’t that generally standard in a missing person/fugitive case? I think it would be useful because if he is on the run he wouldn’t have much space for clothes in a backpack since he would need food/water more and if people need to be on the look out for him wouldn’t that be useful for the public to know? Maybe I missed this information but I have been following the site daily. JMO

That's a very good question and I think the answer is that either

a) the parents didn't know -- BL left without telling them, or
b) the parents didn't tell LE

 

[PommyMommy]

Morning guys, I am just wondering why I haven’t seen any information on what BL was last seen wearing? Isn’t that generally standard in a missing person/fugitive case? I think it would be useful because if he is on the run he wouldn’t have much space for clothes in a backpack since he would need food/water more and if people need to be on the look out for him wouldn’t that be useful for the public to know? Maybe I missed this information but I have been following the site daily. JMO

I could be wrong but I don't think there was a clothing description, just the backpack.

Police slam family of Gabby Petito’s fiancé
Police released a description of Laundrie in their statement — he is 5'8" tall, 160 pounds with brown eyes, short brown hair, trimmed facial hair and was last seen wearing a hiking bag with a waist strap.

 

[Keyedin]

Morning guys, I am just wondering why I haven’t seen any information on what BL was last seen wearing? Isn’t that generally standard in a missing person/fugitive case? I think it would be useful because if he is on the run he wouldn’t have much space for clothes in a backpack since he would need food/water more and if people need to be on the look out for him wouldn’t that be useful for the public to know? Maybe I missed this information but I have been following the site daily. JMO

This has been something that has confused me a bit from the beginning of the "missing" announcement. I don't remember seeing anything about what clothes he might be wearing. Just that he left with a hiking backpack that clipped around the waist (and I don't remember if they gave a specific color). It was the most vague details for someone people were supposed to be on the lookout for.

 

[alsleuther]

I think this is quite possible...and its all coming true, isn't it? He's managed to get the entire world hating people they don't know. Its probably going to kill their business. They're near retirement age - an awful time to lose income and become the poster children for helping someone the world considers a murderer to abscond. MOO

Yes, someone earlier on said they were real estate investors and bought and sold a condo recently. I can't remember the purchase and sale prices, but they weren't far apart and likely the profit would have been eaten up by RE Agent fees. They weren't making a lot of money buying and selling Florida properties.....based on the released information. I think the juicing business was their primary source of income.

 

[MLaps]

These were from yesterday (Thursday), so they are referring to Wednesday and Thursday.

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I don't follow DTBH or his daughter/anyone on his team...but have to wonder if they were told to keep it hush.

 

[cady]

Hey, all. Given that it's now three weeks since BL disappeared and ...

(a) there have been no confirmed sightings of him since then and
(b) LE, who have better information than anyone have shown almost no interest in searching anywhere but the reserve
(c) Brian 'Flip Flops' Laundrie shows no signs of being a master criminal or expert survivalist
(d) His parents are human beings and probably aren't evil enough to simply cover up a murder

... I've somewhat changed my view of this case. The simplest explanation now seems to me to be:

1. BL killed GP on the 27th or morning of the 28th August
2. He fled the scene and hitch-hiked around, trying to set up and alibi and figure out what the hell to do.
3. He returned to the scene of the crime on 29th and for whatever reason chose to take the van, the debit cards, and drive back to Florida. He probably notified his family he was heading home at this point, and may have told them he'd broken up with Gabby and she was heading to Yellowstone on her own to meet up with a friend.
4. He told his parents the same and bull story he planned to tell LE, and they bought it
5. He told his parents he needed a clean break with GP because the relationship had become toxic ('crazy ex-girlfriend') and they needed to ignore calls from her family etc
6. He told his parents he'd lost his phone and so they helped him get another one
7. They took him camping to 'cheer him up'.
8. Around the 10th September the parents finally became aware that Gabby was missing when the cops turned up asking where she was
   
9. The parents interrogated BL about what had actually happened and he either did or didn't confess to them. There was probably an enormous argument either way.
10. The parents called a lawyer who was a family friend, who said (correctly) you have enormous potential legal exposure. Even if BL is innocent you should not talk to the cops.
11. Parents continued interrogating BL about what had happened and he couldn't take it any more, so took the Mustang and fled.
12. The parents haven't begged for his return because they want to dissociate themselves from him, but they won't talk to the cops because they are worried about their own legal exposure
13. BL either took his life or died of some other cause in the swamp.
    
    One other minor point about the Mustang, which apparently picked up a ticket on the day BL went to the reserve: I'm not sure where he parked it but the Myakka Park has an entrance fee and if he didn't buy a pass for the car it could well have been ticketed that day.
    

I pretty much agree on all points except the parents interrogating him and the argument ensued..I suspect that they deep down knew that he was responsible for her disappearance and death but were afraid to confront him with it. The less they know, the better off they are. Their lawyer says that they are "concerned" about Brian's whereabouts....not scared and frantic...so I think that his death may actually be a relief to them. Of course they would be sad about the whole saga, but they would like it to be put to bed. Easier to live with than having legal exposure and a trial. jmo

 

[Alkali13]

Morning/Evening folks!

Wowee, just checked out the 2nd body cam footage. Not an easy watch.

Got two questions for folks to help with my understanding:

1. Is the majority of Florida vegetation in preserves and the like evergreen? Like green all year round? I ask because it's autumn there. If there's less leaf cover and bare bushes it's harder to hide, I doubt BL would have suitable camouflage like clothing.

2. Does it get cold around this time of year on the Appalachian Trail? I ask because I am also doubting Brian took much warm clothing if any with him.

If he's out in the elements sooner or later he'll be "smoked" out

Depends on where on the trail he is. I can tell you in the Northeast last night (where I am anyway), it was in the 40s. In the Southern parts of the trail, it was in the 60s.

 

[ardean]

As with all these cases my opinion changes over time. I'm leaning more towards BL potentially planned to kill (not accusation, he is innocent until proven guilty) GP. His actions at the traffic stop and lack of closeness to her (totally different than his Social Media appearance), his actions about selling off all possessions. If this was the case, even though probably it didn't go as he potentially planned but some parts of his plan may have been the same. He may have not liked this country and how things were going (based on some argument he had with guys that spoke out on Fox News). He may be a depressive person and could even be radicalized by the news cycle as several people are these days. I'd be asking what languages he knows. I'd guess his last name suggests French connection... Did he know Spanish? Where do you think he'd go?

 

[PommyMommy]

OCT 1, 2021
Judge Jeanine Pirro: Brian Laundrie, Gabby Petito and what Utah law says about domestic violence | Fox News
[...]

Domestic violence laws were created to protect all domestic violence victims regardless of the victim's address or location. Any suggestion that because Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie were not from Utah the police were precluded from making an arrest or getting involved is not only incorrect, it is dangerous. In fact, it’s contrary to Utah law.

The Utah Code 77-36-2.2 (1) (2) makes very clear that the primary duty of law enforcement officers in a domestic violence call is to protect the victim and ENFORCE THE LAW. Section (2) b reads that if a police officer has probable cause to believe there will be continued violence against the alleged victim the officer SHALL arrest and take the perpetrator into custody. There is no option. Shall means must arrest.

[...]

Moab police were told by their dispatcher that Laundrie was seen slapping and hitting Gabby repeatedly by witnesses who took the unusual step of going out of their way to call 911. Laundrie was in possession of Gabby's phone. Why? And why was he preventing Gabby from getting into HER own van?

[...]

Mandatory arrests were enacted to stop the deaths of innocent victims. Until they are enforced every battered woman is in danger.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think this is quite possible...and its all coming true, isn't it? He's managed to get the entire world hating people they don't know. Its probably going to kill their business. They're near retirement age - an awful time to lose income and become the poster children for helping someone the world considers a murderer to abscond. MOO

The entire world doesn't hate his parents. imo

In fact, with the bullhorners and other harrassment they are getting, I think some people will be empathising with them.

 

[jgsmith]

For anyone criticizing the Moab LE, just remember, they didn't have the benefit of knowing how this would turn out. What if the reverse happened and GP killed BL. Then they would be criticized for not protecting him, and people would be pointing out that she assaulted him, and he had scratches and how could they not have known. I'm just saying that they had a tough job, they did not take it lightly, as they were there for over an hour, and they ended up splitting them up for 24 hours. We can disect the bodycam videos second by second, but IMO, they did a good job. MOO.

 

[MLaps]

The entire world doesn't hate his parents. imo

In fact, with the bullhorners and other harrassment they are getting, I think some people will be empathising with them.

I just think they didn't do themselves any favors when it came to light that they NEVER responded to Gabby's parents. That's just awful.

 

[SouthAussie]

That's a very good question and I think the answer is that either

a) the parents didn't know -- BL left without telling them, or
b) the parents didn't tell LE

c) it is redundant because they strongly believe he is deceased

(Another option)

 

[Tealgrove]

Snipped and BBM. - OR it is possible he threatened them with suicide, they called 911 and then were able to talk him down. Then, he disappeared and they're worried he "hurt himself". MOO

If that's the case and his parents were REALLY worried he'd kill himself, why did they wait 3 days to report him missing?

My nephew threatened suicide after a fight with his mother. He stormed out the door. She called LE for help the minute the door slammed. She didn't wait 3 days to call and report a missing person.

Nope, not buying any of this anymore. At one time I thought he was dead but not so sure anymore.

Going to hang in to see this through but the stories aren't lining up.

MOO

 

[jvikes]

Hey, all. Given that it's now three weeks since BL disappeared and ...

(a) there have been no confirmed sightings of him since then and
(b) LE, who have better information than anyone have shown almost no interest in searching anywhere but the reserve
(c) Brian 'Flip Flops' Laundrie shows no signs of being a master criminal or expert survivalist
(d) His parents are human beings and probably aren't evil enough to simply cover up a murder

... I've somewhat changed my view of this case. The simplest explanation now seems to me to be:

1. BL killed GP on the 27th or morning of the 28th August
2. He fled the scene and hitch-hiked around, trying to set up and alibi and figure out what the hell to do.
3. He returned to the scene of the crime on 29th and for whatever reason chose to take the van, the debit cards, and drive back to Florida. He probably notified his family he was heading home at this point, and may have told them he'd broken up with Gabby and she was heading to Yellowstone on her own to meet up with a friend.
4. He told his parents the same and bull story he planned to tell LE, and they bought it
5. He told his parents he needed a clean break with GP because the relationship had become toxic ('crazy ex-girlfriend') and they needed to ignore calls from her family etc
6. He told his parents he'd lost his phone and so they helped him get another one
7. They took him camping to 'cheer him up'.
8. Around the 10th September the parents finally became aware that Gabby was missing when the cops turned up asking where she was
   
9. The parents interrogated BL about what had actually happened and he either did or didn't confess to them. There was probably an enormous argument either way.
10. The parents called a lawyer who was a family friend, who said (correctly) you have enormous potential legal exposure. Even if BL is innocent you should not talk to the cops.
11. Parents continued interrogating BL about what had happened and he couldn't take it any more, so took the Mustang and fled.
12. The parents haven't begged for his return because they want to dissociate themselves from him, but they won't talk to the cops because they are worried about their own legal exposure
13. BL either took his life or died of some other cause in the swamp.
    
    One other minor point about the Mustang, which apparently picked up a ticket on the day BL went to the reserve: I'm not sure where he parked it but the Myakka Park has an entrance fee and if he didn't buy a pass for the car it could well have been ticketed that day.
    

I could agree with a lot of this, I still don't understand why his parents still haven't put out any clarifying response as to any of it. Their lawyer is terrible, such a bad decision to stick with that guy if your take is true. I think BL was coherent and knowingly took GP's life, but I think the after effects of doing so drove him to break mentally. In other words, I think he was fine murdering her because he seems like the psychotic type but wasn't smart enough to know how to cover it up and couldn't mentally handle being caught for it as the walls were closing in and that's what broke him. I'm convinced at this point that he's dead of suicide somewhere in that preserve.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am not aware of Gabby ever saying that BL hit her. Gabby said he grabbed her face. I get the impression he grabbed her by the chin/jawline (in such a way as to make a person hold still or look at something).

It was one of the witnesses that said he slapped her.

AFAIK

I heard her say that he did hit her, but not in the face, and that she hit him first. It was around the same time she described him grabbing her by the face and pushing her.

 

[MLaps]

I could agree with a lot of this, I still don't understand why his parents still haven't put out any clarifying response as to any of it. Their lawyer is terrible, such a bad decision to stick with that guy if your take is true. I think BL was coherent and knowingly took GP's life, but I think the after effects of doing so drove him to break mentally. In other words, I think he was fine murdering her because he seems like the psychotic type but wasn't smart enough to know how to cover it up and couldn't mentally handle being caught for it as the walls were closing in and that's what broke him. I'm convinced at this point that he's dead of suicide somewhere in that preserve.

They lawyer is apparently a family friend but you're telling me this guy doesn't know ANY criminal attorneys that can help the Laundries better? Bertolino is a real estate attorney, and I would assume he's getting advice from colleagues but he's not the guy they should have in their corner right now.