Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #57

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  • #221
That’s a good point, and probably means he’s deceased. Why would the FBI not disclose for example that cameras have no record of his having left? It would save people the trouble of phoning in all these sightings. Or are there likely ways to leave a reserve without being recorded?

MOO - the reserve(s) area is massive. Unless there are cameras capturing every mile of the perimeters, I think someone could leave without being spotted. Not like he'd have to walk back out a main entrance.
 
  • #222
Oct 8, 2021 • The search for #BrianLaundrie continues, and now the missing party’s father has joined the effort to find him.

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  • #223
Do we have a source that reflects that essentially all of her important belongings were still in the van? We might, I just don't remember reading that, except for something about a hard drive. Thanks much!
Some of her important belongings like her bank cards for example.. and most likely her phone, since it was not found on or near her. According to the search warrant, it was turned off, and most likely disposed of.
 
  • #224
We can hope that the "liaison" got some information out of the adventure. I'm sure that Dad enjoyed the outing. Looked like he even had lunch in his bag. A picnic! JMO
With all the pictures I've seen of RL carrying a cooler and reports of camping trips, I'd doubt he had lunch in a plastic bag. Maybe some more DNA objects or something LE requested he bring.
 
  • #225
Finding accomplices to facilitate escape. Taking into account our POI's talent for making bad judgements, do you think he had a cache of ready and willing accomplices lined up between Wyoming and North Port? And could he round them all up, unload his tale, create a plan, and make it back to North Port at top speed? Hmmm.
Maybe, there was a call (from the missing original phone) back to North Port, and the advice to rocket back (just don't get stopped by a cop) and we'll figure it out when you get here. Outside of the family unit, who did BL have an opportunity to plan the great escape with? And if planned while out on the road, why come home?
And all that time between arriving home and the report of GP being missing...
I'll bet there isn't a fingerprint, a nose hair, or a skin cell left anywhere in that van (I'm hoping they M-vac the entire interior). Spanking new, as if it came right off the assembly line.
Using deductive reasoning, and if you think BL is being assisted in his escape, who is orchestrating his disappearance?
MOO
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My first guess would be the people he fled back to after Gabby's death ?
Assuming he had friends who would help --I think they'd balk at helping under these circumstances !
Imo.
 
  • #226
Somewhat surprising.
I thought he'd jump at this case for the notoriety if nothing else ?
MOO.
Were his services solicited? If so, by who?
 
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I’m glad I read yours after mine. It bolsters mine.

After three long months looking for my brother (just me and my sister), posting fliers visiting every homeless shelter and crisis center we could find - I started climbing up those steep bridges and just bawled at what I found and continued to find over and over. Eventually, a spotter and his buddies gave me directions to homeless campgrounds way out in the woods. One day, I walked upon his remains. If not for the homeless, he might still be laying out there,

I'm sorry about your brother. I so admire your tireless and incredible determination to find him, and your sharing this information which helps to shed light on possibilities for finding BL, and others who may be missing due to other circumstances.
 
  • #229
As much as it seems BL had to have help in eluding LE, who does that?
I have friends and family but not one would I ask for help if I was wanted and running from the law.
 
  • #230
I agree 100% The fact that the people that picked him up hitchhiking offered to take him all the way in and he apparently anxiously declined has always been a curiosity to me. Your comment rings true MOO: "He refused to allow his ride to drive him back up to the van, because he was still wary that there would be LE and perhaps a trap to catch him. When he got back to the van, and saw for himself that her body had not been discovered, he panicked again. All that planning to say he left her and someone else must have found her alone and killed her… that story would only work if someone else discovered her."
 
  • #231
So if BL is in hiding in a reserve (whichever one) I can't help to wonder what is going on in his mind. Surely he knows he can't live like this forever? Even if he has assistance, he still would be spending a lot of time alone. What is his thinking likely to be? Think what isolation does to your brain.
 
  • #232
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When thinking why they're still searching there, this crossed my mind. Very curious what kind of paper trail BL left behind via CCTV in the area. Afterall, the FBI did get the Laundrie's to correct the date he was was last seen. Clearly there's something we're unaware of.

And it's not just cameras at park entrance - they can search a wider radius. I just think BL and the family are being given WAY too much credit for planning this brilliant escape. If that was how they roll, then GP never would have been discovered and he would have faded into the Ether out West.
 
  • #233
Finding accomplices to facilitate escape. Taking into account our POI's talent for making bad judgements, do you think he had a cache of ready and willing accomplices lined up between Wyoming and North Port? And could he round them all up, unload his tale, create a plan, and make it back to North Port at top speed? Hmmm.
Maybe, there was a call (from the missing original phone) back to North Port, and the advice to rocket back (just don't get stopped by a cop) and we'll figure it out when you get here. Outside of the family unit, who did BL have an opportunity to plan the great escape with? And if planned while out on the road, why come home?
And all that time between arriving home and the report of GP being missing...
I'll bet there isn't a fingerprint, a nose hair, or a skin cell left anywhere in that van (I'm hoping they M-vac the entire interior). Spanking new, as if it came right off the assembly line.
Using deductive reasoning, and if you think BL is being assisted in his escape, who is orchestrating his disappearance?
MOO
I think he's on his own and making decisions in total panic mode. JMO
 
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While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, I think BL was well aware of his option to plead the 5th as well as the amount of time he could buy himself because the crime took place in an area of the country with poor reception and not a lot of people. IMO he was aware it would be days before she'd be found, and as such, getting home ASAP to clear the van of evidence, get some supplies, tell his parents a false story about GP's whereabouts, was his BEST plan for escape, and he was not a fool in thinking so, obviously. Taking a flight requires being seen and human interaction, taking the van anywhere else would also point LE in his direction when van is found. She was killed in August, we're now in October. I don't think this is all happenstance. I believe BL made very calculated risk assessments.

For insight, I am an avid ultralite backpacker in Appalachia and I can tell you, anyone who has taken a hobby like that even a little bit seriously can survive easily in the southeastern United States. To further this point, they make a $20 product called a lifestraw, it weights 2 oz, can fit in your pocket and can filter enough water for one person for about 5 years. Between that, a fishing pole and a little bit of outside help to get out of the immediate area (Florida) and this dude could be deeply imbedded in the Southern Appalachians or just about anywhere else that's remote. At this point in time, all I can say to that, sadly, is good luck finding him.

All it takes is money. BL has plenty of people looking for him. And the reward gets larger daily. Sure, you can "live off the land", but people are double checking young, scruffy guys now. Everyone has heard about this case, even folks here, in the mountains know about this case.

Killing a young woman, and leaving her in the Tetons is not looked on with favor here. Even by men who don't like women much. The conservative men here, don't like modern women who "talk back", but they draw the line at killing one.

The reward for turning BL in, will bring him down.
 
  • #236
@Tiff23fr

I think he is in a comfortable place with people <modsnip> hiding him out. I think he is possibly out of state and keeping in touch with his parents and family attorney and is nowhere in a reserve.

WHO, though? I don't see a lot of people speaking out to defend his reputation and it appears that he was mostly considered a loner with few friends. His family has been under scrutiny for weeks now. Who has that kind of love and dedication to harbor or assist someone who is a person of interest in a homicide and who is wanted on federal charges of fraud? Anyone?

I think this scenario is completely unlikely. BL is alone.
 
  • #237
Bit the bullet last night and watched Fight Club. (Amazon Prime)

I better understand BLs antiestablishmentarianism.

Ironically, the main character suffers from insomnia just as we've been told that BL does. The character's doctor advises him to visit the meetings of men with testicular cancer because those folks have "real problems." He does. Then, he becomes addicted to going to various meetings for people who endure hardships of one kind or another.

Ironically, the main character hears voices in his head ordering him to do stuff; bad stuff like fighting for the hell of it, illegal things such as setting off dynamite in important places, destructive behaviors that get loved ones killed.

Ironically, a plot of Fight Club is to rebel against Credit Card Corporations and what does BL do? He steals Gabby's bank cards then, proceeds to steal at least $1000 from her C1 accounts.

There is a plot twist in the end that BL may likely see himself mirroring.

Zodiac is on tap for this evening. Must buy more popcorn.
 
  • #238
We should talk survival skills. Please remember that the Moab body cam video informed us that the master survivalist managed to run out of the most essential element to maintain human life - water. He and Gabby were thirsty as heck, without stored water and no money available (remember, for the motel). The cops were stocked up. Why not the master survivalist? Huh. So, we're supposed to believe the guy who runs out of water on a good day among the civilized is going the Louis Pasteur route with water so foul alligators spend half their day out of it.
Then, there's the meat of the matter...or NOT the meat of the matter. As a holder of high environmental, vegetarian ideals, all animal life is safe from BL's appetite. Which leaves edible native plants he's willing to wrestle away from all animal comers. Imagine him yanking water plants out of the mouth of a lost and hungry, stray manatee. Well, hard times require drastic measures...ok...let's grab a fish with our bare hands, bite of it's head and go the sushi route. No campfire, because where there's smoke - there's Brian (literally). Above all, please remember that the lore and legend of this master survivalist begins with...him and ends with anyone easily buffaloed by him.

On to murder. Let's see if there's even a molecule of practical, survivalist, wisdom rattling around in the murderer's fevered brain. With the deed done, there's no effort to hide the body. No concern that birds of prey are drawn to dead things like bees to honey. No fear of circling scavengers screaming, "Something dead over here!" No concern a happy camper from down the road a piece is out and about collecting flowers, nice rocks, or, God forbid a human skull. A dead body can be sniffed out from a great distance, because it has the unique characteristic of smelling like a sewer has exploded somewhere in the neighborhood. Seasoned detectives claim the odor is seared into their memory like a branding iron. So, no effort to bury or conceal his handiwork. Very survivalist-like...not.

On to finances. Our murderer isn't as astute a financial survivalist as Warren Buffett. He doesn't plan ahead (see water). He's broke, but his victim isn't. His choice? Let's compound the crime. Let's grab the money, the card, the van...after all, she doesn't need that stuff anymore - and I do! Another bad choice. Surely, a survivalist understands the concept of escape. Is it off to the hills to live among the nameless wanderers of those hills who really don't care much about what you've ever done in your entire life? No. Our POI chooses hotfooting it to his last known address. You know, a place where noone would know to look for him. Shrewd. Maybe, you can even make believe the whole thing never happened! OK...let's mow lawns, clean evidence out of the van, walk around the neighborhood creating an alibi (what? she's where? I was mowing the lawn!), go for a family powwow (say goodbye to Uncle Bri!) and celebrate with a snootful of smores.

No, this person is unable to operate independently, because he makes ginormous errors of judgement. And those factors fly in the face of most of the BL survivalist myth and the tale being spun from guess which side of the saga. So, I believe BL is NOT communing with nature and NOT going it alone.
MOO

I wish I could give your well thought out post a thousand likes!!!!!

I agree with everything you said. I’m thinking that the reason CL didn’t seem concerned, and perhaps too light-hearted, yesterday when walking with LE in the park/swamp, was because he knew his son may have been there at one time, but is no longer there. He did not act like a father who was worried they may find his son’s body there either. IMHO …
 
  • #239
My take of the “plan” BL had after he killed GP: He fled immediately after killing her out of panic and fear. He thought she would be discovered and he was fleeing then so as not to be caught, as well as from the horror of what he had done. He carefully checked news sources while hiking further north, and after a day or so realized, no news, and likely her body was not found and he was not being hunted down. So, he carefully hitchhiked back to the van and her body, making sure there were witnesses left behind that could repeat the story that he had left her behind and was out camping for the last few days. He refused to allow his ride to drive him back up to the van, because he was still wary that there would be LE and perhaps a trap to catch him. When he got back to the van, and saw for himself that her body had not been discovered, he panicked again. All that planning to say he left her and someone else must have found her alone and killed her… that story would only work if someone else discovered her. And no one had, nor was he willing to insert himself at that point and call LE to report a murder. He had nowhere to go and no way to plan an escape. It was at this point he decided to go home and enlist assistance from his parents. He isn’t very bright, and he doesn’t plan well, especially under pressure. He took the van because it was the easiest way to get home, and he probably thought it would be less likely that anyone would discover her body if the van was not around to “point to her”. I think he does a lot of self-soothing using somewhat delusional thinking that maybe if no one finds her, he could get away with it. He was probably more than a little depressed as well, and thinking “whatever happens, happens”. I think he is still in that mindset, and still just thinking to himself that this is all going to just go away. He is not bright, nor very rational, imho. I think he had significant help from his parents making a plan to avoid capture. And I think it is also possible he did commit suicide. And as for the parents, I can imagine that they may not find that to be the worst option at this point. THIS IS ALL MY OPINION
I agree with all of that except for BL being suicidal. He is indeed irrational, illogical and enough of an egomaniac to think he can elude police forever, or he wouldn't have gone on the run in the first place. Maybe I've watched too many episodes of "I Almost Got Away With It, " but guys who run and hide get cocky and think they are smarter than everybody, especially police. They often get sick of being on the run and start making mistakes. I think that will happen to BL any day now. It's just a matter of time. Maybe he'll rob a health food store and get caught on camera, LOL. Sorry for the joke - JMOO.
 
  • #240
I am trying to place myself in the situation.. If I was hiding someone out I personally wouldn't do grocery delivery because that can be verified and monitored if using an app. At minimum it would be bring in a third party for delivery which I would find very risky.
Outside of that, yes I agree, if he is put up somewhere he could be there for a while. IMO

supplies (groceries, etc. ) could be delivered periodically on autopay to an LLC account address. Same thing each week- dropped of by Amazon or another service. No contacts; maybe no emails if pre-paid.
 
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