Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #57

[NuttMegg]

We should talk survival skills. Please remember that the Moab body cam video informed us that the master survivalist managed to run out of the most essential element to maintain human life - water. He and Gabby were thirsty as heck, without stored water and no money available (remember, for the motel). The cops were stocked up. Why not the master survivalist? Huh. So, we're supposed to believe the guy who runs out of water on a good day among the civilized is going the Louis Pasteur route with water so foul alligators spend half their day out of it.
Then, there's the meat of the matter...or NOT the meat of the matter. As a holder of high environmental, vegetarian ideals, all animal life is safe from BL's appetite. Which leaves edible native plants he's willing to wrestle away from all animal comers. Imagine him yanking water plants out of the mouth of a lost and hungry, stray manatee. Well, hard times require drastic measures...ok...let's grab a fish with our bare hands, bite of it's head and go the sushi route. No campfire, because where there's smoke - there's Brian (literally). Above all, please remember that the lore and legend of this master survivalist begins with...him and ends with anyone easily buffaloed by him.

On to murder. Let's see if there's even a molecule of practical, survivalist, wisdom rattling around in the murderer's fevered brain. With the deed done, there's no effort to hide the body. No concern that birds of prey are drawn to dead things like bees to honey. No fear of circling scavengers screaming, "Something dead over here!" No concern a happy camper from down the road a piece is out and about collecting flowers, nice rocks, or, God forbid a human skull. A dead body can be sniffed out from a great distance, because it has the unique characteristic of smelling like a sewer has exploded somewhere in the neighborhood. Seasoned detectives claim the odor is seared into their memory like a branding iron. So, no effort to bury or conceal his handiwork. Very survivalist-like...not.

On to finances. Our murderer isn't as astute a financial survivalist as Warren Buffett. He doesn't plan ahead (see water). He's broke, but his victim isn't. His choice? Let's compound the crime. Let's grab the money, the card, the van...after all, she doesn't need that stuff anymore - and I do! Another bad choice. Surely, a survivalist understands the concept of escape. Is it off to the hills to live among the nameless wanderers of those hills who really don't care much about what you've ever done in your entire life? No. Our POI chooses hotfooting it to his last known address. You know, a place where noone would know to look for him. Shrewd. Maybe, you can even make believe the whole thing never happened! OK...let's mow lawns, clean evidence out of the van, walk around the neighborhood creating an alibi (what? she's where? I was mowing the lawn!), go for a family powwow (say goodbye to Uncle Bri!) and celebrate with a snootful of smores.

No, this person is unable to operate independently, because he makes ginormous errors of judgement. And those factors fly in the face of most of the BL survivalist myth and the tale being spun from guess which side of the saga. So, I believe BL is NOT communing with nature and NOT going it alone.
MOO

Well done!!! Easy to leave a big carbon footprint with a van, poly tents & equipment while noisily sticking up the nose at a bottle of water. Easy to use fiancee's credit card. And vehicle. I'm not sure if he's a hypocrite because a lot of people are before they earn a living for themselves and have to compromise, or if he's just a garden variety hypocrite. Like most of us are/have been, but I do think it subsides with experience supporting oneself and not feeling a need to achieve one's main identity by wearing the sanctimonious "cause" of the day. IMO

 

[woods]

Did it say somewhere what they found all her personal belongings in the van ? I thought I read he didn’t have a phone along these threads. If they where budgeting and normally always your her and only had her phone and she had it. If he didn’t have his own phone it would make sense why he would get one when he returned back. If he didn’t take it with him maybe it’s not an addiction of his to carry. Most obvious is he is guilty he is the last person known to be with her. But he drove home and stayed there two weeks not leaving til the parents called looking for her and then he was supposedly seen driving a truck saying he trying to get back to his girlfriend out west after a fight. To him she is missing and he left her and needs to get back there. They both read crime books I can’t see him being stupid enough to go home and sit around for two weeks waiting to run til he knew his gig was up. Doesn’t make sense. The character descriptions of him all seem circumstantial. They were together a long time and referred to as relationship goals. I haven’t researched his personality other than what’s been said on here and it seems like jumping to the attack of someone noone really knows because he is a person that people should hate if he killed someone. JMO. I’m sure
If I followed along I probably would be right on board with just reverting to he’s guilty but seeing it all at once and o lay looking at the timeline of events without emotions and assumptions tied to following it along the timeline IMO is he learned she was in trouble when everyone else did. He left her there because that was her thing to do. By saying he should never leave a female behind (someone replied to me before) isn’t that saying she can’t do this adventure on her own so if she didn’t want to drive the van long distances her only choice would be to abandon her plans. From the other women who were interviewed with this carefree lifestyle it’s something they meet up and the one said she is sure she would have met her at some point because they actively seek eachother out. To say she couldn’t do this without him is not much different than her saying in the police video that he didn’t think she could do it. Apparently many think a women needs a man to travel.

Some of her important belongings include her bank cards for example, which he used on the way home. He withdrew more than $1000 from her account (1k is just the minimum to get that charge, he may have well withdrew much more than that amount).

He also notified his parents that he was going to arrive home early before he even made it home.

August 24: Roberta Laundrie initially made reservations for 2 people at Soto Park Campground for September 1-3. Laundrie family changed Fort De Soto campground reservations before Brian returned home, docs show

August 31: Roberta cancelled their camping reservations for 2 people.

September 1: Brian arrived to North Port in Gabby’s van at 10:26AM

September 3: Roberta made a new reservation for 3 people to camp on the weekend of September 6-8.

September 4: New phone for Brian was purchased at an AT&T store.

September 13: Brian left his newly purchased phone and wallet at home to go for a “hike at the Carlton Reserve.”

He did have his old phone, the police report in Moab mentions that both Brian and Gabby had a cellphone on them in case of an emergency, and Brian gives his number to the officer. Gabby at one points tells the officer to remind Brian to grab his phone charger with him.

 

[grammieto5]

I wonder if there is any video of BL's parents' home during the time the father was being filmed leaving his home, and while he was....what, I'm still not sure what the purpose of yesterday was about..seen driving into the reserve?

 

[NCWatcher]

of course it was the weather, namely rain but not a certain day, here in florida at the beginning of summer and into the later months we had alot of rain, alot and so it has made our water tables very high, and our rivers has been high all summer long, the swamps all around have been flooded almost all summer long!

I am sure that's true. But the question was raised why RL cancelled camping plans for Sept 1 on Aug 31. Some people said Ida but Ida wasn't an issue for Pinellas Co where the Ft DeSoto camping area is. So other folks seemed to say she must have cancelled because of BL. That's possible but the weather for Sept 1 (and part of Sept 2) was rotten camping weather in that particular Florida county per the weather site I posted. The weather later in the week was much better. Occasional showers, of course. It's Florida. But not heavy downpours and strong thunderstorms. So weather on certain days very well could be the reason for the Aug 31 cancellation.
JMO

 

[rleigh123]

no he isnt, he is trying to collect that reward!

He is offering a reward.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

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Did it say somewhere what they found all her personal belongings in the van ? I thought I read he didn’t have a phone along these threads. If they where budgeting and normally always your her and only had her phone and she had it. If he didn’t have his own phone it would make sense why he would get one when he returned back. If he didn’t take it with him maybe it’s not an addiction of his to carry. Most obvious is he is guilty he is the last person known to be with her. But he drove home and stayed there two weeks not leaving til the parents called looking for her and then he was supposedly seen driving a truck saying he trying to get back to his girlfriend out west after a fight. To him she is missing and he left her and needs to get back there. They both read crime books I can’t see him being stupid enough to go home and sit around for two weeks waiting to run til he knew his gig was up. Doesn’t make sense. The character descriptions of him all seem circumstantial. They were together a long time and referred to as relationship goals. I haven’t researched his personality other than what’s been said on here and it seems like jumping to the attack of someone noone really knows because he is a person that people should hate if he killed someone. JMO. I’m sure
If I followed along I probably would be right on board with just reverting to he’s guilty but seeing it all at once and o lay looking at the timeline of events without emotions and assumptions tied to following it along the timeline IMO is he learned she was in trouble when everyone else did. He left her there because that was her thing to do. By saying he should never leave a female behind (someone replied to me before) isn’t that saying she can’t do this adventure on her own so if she didn’t want to drive the van long distances her only choice would be to abandon her plans. From the other women who were interviewed with this carefree lifestyle it’s something they meet up and the one said she is sure she would have met her at some point because they actively seek eachother out. To say she couldn’t do this without him is not much different than her saying in the police video that he didn’t think she could do it. Apparently many think a women needs a man to travel.

He had his own phone, in the LE video he lied saying he did not but then at the end pulls one out of his pocket. No, it is not logical to return home for 2 weeks but I don’t think you can apply this kind of logic to Brian. I can think numerous cases where the POI/perpetrator did things that made no sense. I don’t think it was a planned murder, as others have stated, his hitchhiking jaunt was to possibly create an alibi, a window of opportunity to say someone else killed her. When that failed he went to the safe comfort of his home, something per Cassie interview, he did often when… she never finished her sentence but stopped and said I am not suppose to talk about that. He was in denial, hoping she would not be found, in the end he did go on the run, before charges were filed, before it had blown up on SM. MOO

 

[Lillymac]

Bit the bullet last night and watched Fight Club. (Amazon Prime)

I better understand BLs antiestablishmentarianism.

Ironically, the main character suffers from insomnia just as we've been told that BL does. The character's doctor advises him to visit the meetings of men with testicular cancer because those folks have "real problems." He does. Then, he becomes addicted to going to various meetings for people who endure hardships of one kind or another.

Ironically, the main character hears voices in his head ordering him to do stuff; bad stuff like fighting for the hell of it, illegal things such as setting off dynamite in important places, destructive behaviors that get loved ones killed.

Ironically, a plot of Fight Club is to rebel against Credit Card Corporations and what does BL do? He steals Gabby's bank cards then, proceeds to steal at least $1000 from her C1 accounts.

There is a plot twist in the end that BL may likely see himself mirroring.

Zodiac is on tap for this evening. Must buy more popcorn.

Very interesting. Sometimes book titles can be so misleading. Thanks for your synopsis. I'm gonna take a look at it.

 

[passionflower]

Oct 8, 2021 • The search for #BrianLaundrie continues, and now the missing party’s father has joined the effort to find him.

16:44

I agree remote cabin with food and water! The parents don’t seem that urgent emotions that go with a missing loved one. Very odd people. JMOO

 

[Bekind89]

Did it say somewhere what they found all her personal belongings in the van ? I thought I read he didn’t have a phone along these threads. If they where budgeting and normally always your her and only had her phone and she had it. If he didn’t have his own phone it would make sense why he would get one when he returned back. If he didn’t take it with him maybe it’s not an addiction of his to carry. Most obvious is he is guilty he is the last person known to be with her. But he drove home and stayed there two weeks not leaving til the parents called looking for her and then he was supposedly seen driving a truck saying he trying to get back to his girlfriend out west after a fight. To him she is missing and he left her and needs to get back there. They both read crime books I can’t see him being stupid enough to go home and sit around for two weeks waiting to run til he knew his gig was up. Doesn’t make sense. The character descriptions of him all seem circumstantial. They were together a long time and referred to as relationship goals. I haven’t researched his personality other than what’s been said on here and it seems like jumping to the attack of someone noone really knows because he is a person that people should hate if he killed someone. JMO. I’m sure
If I followed along I probably would be right on board with just reverting to he’s guilty but seeing it all at once and o lay looking at the timeline of events without emotions and assumptions tied to following it along the timeline IMO is he learned she was in trouble when everyone else did. He left her there because that was her thing to do. By saying he should never leave a female behind (someone replied to me before) isn’t that saying she can’t do this adventure on her own so if she didn’t want to drive the van long distances her only choice would be to abandon her plans. From the other women who were interviewed with this carefree lifestyle it’s something they meet up and the one said she is sure she would have met her at some point because they actively seek eachother out. To say she couldn’t do this without him is not much different than her saying in the police video that he didn’t think she could do it. Apparently many think a women needs a man to travel.

You do know she is dead, right? He left her there, dead. Took her van, used her cc, ignored her frantic parents calls, left his car at the reserve to throw off LE, and on and on.
All of this happened just days after someone called 911 on him for slapping her in public.
If it walks like a duck...
Jm

 

[RickshawFan]

Like father, like son, is EXACTLY where the FBI wants this to go in the swamp....

Exactly. Looking at how that agent moves, his facial hair, his build.... A hat strategically covers where BL's bald spot would be. Muscularity de-emphasized... The FBI has chosen well.

 

[acutename]

Given those facts, I would add the assumption that cameras would have captured his entry into the reserve. Perhaps the focus there, and seeming lack of interest in other "sightings," means that cameras show that he never left reserve.

well, never left the way he went in... are there cameras?

 

[kittythehare]

He is offering a reward.

yes. $10,000.
Linked and already discussed upthread.

 

[Lillymac]

And yet in interviews Gabby's dad occasionally smiled and gave the odd short laugh when Gabby was missing. And he seems like a genuine, normal, innocent person.

Also, we don't know what the conversation was that elicited the laugh.

 

[Cinna]

WHO, though? I don't see a lot of people speaking out to defend his reputation and it appears that he was mostly considered a loner with few friends. His family has been under scrutiny for weeks now. Who has that kind of love and dedication to harbor or assist someone who is a person of interest in a homicide and who is wanted on federal charges of fraud? Anyone?

I think this scenario is completely unlikely. BL is alone.

I tend to think you're right, but if friends are helping Brian, they certainly won't be making themselves noticeable by talking to the press.

 

[Sachi]

Exactly. Looking at how that agent moves, his facial hair, his build.... A hat strategically covers where BL's bald spot would be. Muscularity de-emphasized... The FBI has chosen well.

Noticed this as well- took a double take.

 

[Bekind89]

But wasn't it determined that the physical altercations thought to be initiated by Gabby were caused by (1) him taking her keys, trying to lock her out of her car, and threatening to leave her, and (2) her trying to stop him when the police were trying to pull him over and/or him trying to stop her or push her away.

He also took her phone. Jmo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

As much as it seems BL had to have help in eluding LE, who does that?
I have friends and family but not one would I ask for help if I was wanted and running from the law.

I think we all might be surprised at the intimate and bonding relationships developed at work. Think about it. We spend our quality alert and focused time together. We break together, sometimes lunch with one another, go out after work. Become real friends. Share confidences. Almost like family. Sometimes, closer than family. This is his inner circle. Treat them (hypothetically) like his family. Imagine all the scenarios we’ve come up with that offers insight into what he might have told his folks to sway them to help him. I do think he received help early on. Plans and dates were set in place to a point and then the proverbial s* hit the fan. No more help. Thus, the hitchhiking began or it probably was the plan all along. He’s a lone man with a backpack walking down the road. Our only description. Stereotype: Hitchhiker

 

[ctmom]

If he's is still alive, I bet BL's said to himself more than once...

"Why.... why did you make me do it? If you had just...."

In fact, I'll go further than that.

I would not be surprised if right after he killed her, before briskly walking off, he stood over her body and said:
"NOW look what you made me do! YOU made me do this Gabby... YOU made me do this!"

jmo

 

[RickshawFan]

I bet that agent is highly trained in building rapport and coaxing out information. Laughing with CL likely helped him relax, maybe think the agent is on his side, really just wants BL found safely, etc. like most of you, I don’t think that excursion had anything to do with whatever they looked at in the preserve. It was an information gathering mission, imo.

The FBI might not even be actually looking in that swamp any more. Yesterday's mission might all have been staged.
In fact, they might have only decided late on going with the flow on the idiot attorney's statement that CL would help with the search. As in, FBI: "What a great idea! Let's run with it!"
IMO the tidbit from LE that there was a "campsite" and then putting off a search was just more of a ruse to keep the gig going or to get time to get the staging together.
LE could have verified there was no ACTUAL campsite by hopping on the Gator all by themselves, no CL required.
IMO the "campsite" motif was just made up from whole cloth.

 

[cbeagle]

I live in North Port 5 mins from the Laundries. And u still would cancel a camping trip when there is a hurricane!
U have no idea where it will go or how long it will last! The rain alone floods most places!

But not Hurricane Ida on Aug 31st, it was inland, over 500 miles away and had zero chance of heading to Tampa bay.

" On August 30, Ida weakened into a tropical depression, as it moved inland."