Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #57

[RickshawFan]

Rose wasn't saying NS wasn't told they were engaged. Rose said GP told her mom she decided to wait to get married, that the engagement was off. But Rose says it wasn't off.

Rose has said some inconsistent things. But NP does say she knew they were engaged but thought they called it off and were just "dating" per the link I posted earlier on this thread.

Mother of missing Gabby Petito says boyfriend and his family IGNORED her desperate texts | Daily Mail Online

JMO

I have friends who were engaged for years. "Engaged" doesn't have to mean "getting married soon".

 

[ShadyLady]

I have to agree...for me, I look to find all of the reasons (or arguments) a suspect or POI could be proven innocent. Proven innocent doesn't necessarily mean they are, but proven innocent in a court of law. I kind of go back and forth playing Devil's Advocate. I can't say one way or another if BL is guilty...actions are saying he's got something to hide. Until he is found and more information is made public, everything is just speculation.

The media is so desperate for stories they are taking things from sites like this (and I'm not saying the article I saw, nor did it quote any sources, but I saw it this morning) and reporting it as news. No one knows anything except a 22-year-old was murdered.

For sure, imo Brian thinks he is guilty for her death. Why would his parents even go there: suicide? Because whether is it an excuse for his disappearance or not....WHY would he want to commit suicide...... because he feels guilty.

And his parents even saying this might have been his intent ...was because he was overwhelmed with guilt. When Gabby's body was found he had to again come face to face with his actions. IMO

 

[acutename]

There are so many unknowns. I’m sure LE’s aware of more facts, but that’s for them to know and not share, til if and / or when the time is right. Hopefully they get it all figured out soon. Hopefully if BL is dead, he was guilty, because otherwise that would mean two families lost their kids. If one was a bad person it would be a little easier it would seem. It also means that if he didn’t there is another person out there hurting campers and others could be in danger in those areas.

All JMO on a complete outsider just reading up on all this long after the fact. Not having followed from the beginning I am probably missing a lot but also am not emotionally involved at all having no time to form opinions between pieces of info.

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I understand there is many ways to look at this case and many scenarios you could think up on what could happen, although i agree they didnt always fight and it probably got worse due to the tight space they were currently in, i see no way a man should take a vehicle, no matter if they were fighting, no matter if he thought she had another friend, it just doesnt make sense that he thought she would be fine 3500 miles from home with no vehicle and no money, it just doesnt. Not to mention that not only can they not find Gabby,s phone they cant find BL phone either,thats one thing that is clearly wrong in my way of seeing it. I understand some think someone else killed Gabby after BL left with her van and maybe the person that killed her did away with her phone but so where is Brians if he was already gone? Too many things point straight towards him and i believe that while we may not know the whole story, we have the perp. right in this![/QUOTE]

would like to know whose phones were on what plans and who was paying phone bills.

 

[Cloudydiamond]

If he's is still alive, I bet BL's said to himself more than once...

"Why.... why did you make me do it? If you had just...."

In fact, I'll go further than that.

I would not be surprised if right after he killed her, before briskly walking off, he stood over her body and said:
"NOW look what you made me do! YOU made me do this Gabby... YOU made me do this!"

jmo

Well of course he did.

 

[Chicago54]

I tend to think you're right, but if friends are helping Brian, they certainly won't be making themselves noticeable by talking to the press.

Friends and family. Dead quiet. There is so much in what isnt said. It seems no one wants to be associated with him. Shame? Bewilderment? Not wanting to be the next “Cassie” on SM? Or helping BL out?
The FBI must be on top of everyone, right?

 

[tiara1972]

DBM: Double quote.

All it takes is money. BL has plenty of people looking for him. And the reward gets larger daily. Sure, you can "live off the land", but people are double checking young, scruffy guys now. Everyone has heard about this case, even folks here, in the mountains know about this case.

Killing a young woman, and leaving her in the Tetons is not looked on with favor here. Even by men who don't like women much. The conservative men here, don't like modern women who "talk back", but they draw the line at killing one.

The reward for turning BL in, will bring him down.

I think you may be right. A number of my wild brain-wrestling includes him heading back to one of the places they landed over the course of both of road trips where they may have met some interesting characters. We did the cross country thing for just one month, and I met and spent time with at least 6 curious people/groups of people that, after spending time with them, would have been excited about hiding me, if I showed back up and had a great story. Stick it to the man, and such.

The reward does makes that harder to trust, THOUGH, a handful had not much use for money, had loads of it before, hated the lifestyle and walked away to a sort of nomad life. (Or so they liked to talk about, anyhow) The whole "off the grid" crew is diverse.

Maybe he is just really good at playing "hide and seek". If he can get away from the cities, rural folks tend to mind their own business, unless they personally feel threatened. Hide in some barns, sheds, abandoned/falling down houses and barns.

While food and water is a need, there is an abundance of farms out there with wells, and half the time, I am not sure they even know who is showing up to work the fields, etc, from day to day. Some workers are just bussed in and dropped off, 20 or more at a time...

The reward complicates things, some. He, so far, has figured something out, for sure. MOO.

 

[Jmoose]

If he's is still alive, I bet BL's said to himself more than once...

"Why.... why did you make me do it? If you had just...."

In fact, I'll go further than that.

I would not be surprised if right after he killed her, before briskly walking off, he stood over her body and said:
"NOW look what you made me do! YOU made me do this Gabby... YOU made me do this!"

jmo

I have thoughtcthe exact same thing-projecting his guilt onto her. Do people do this so they can live with what they’ve done? Who knows?

 

[putnam6]

I don't understand if the media can be watching that house 24/7 and all sides and even over-head, why LE couldn't do the same.

Its got to be mostly manpower and the expense,especially with all the other stuff going on. That said they really shouldn't have said they knew where he was for days, and they didn't. Makes me wonder is all this just sloppy police work or is it subterfuge with a purpose.
MOOIMHOWADR

 

[Trebor5591]

I apologize if I missed half the conversation but BL isn't skipping bail, he is wanted on charges that he has not even been formally charged in court with or arrested for even...he's wanted for arrest...they have not even come close to bail...although I think after a conversation with him the charges will be amended to something that bail will not be an option.

If he is caught, I think there is little chance of bail, since he has already proved to be a flight risk.

 

[Bekind89]

Who regulated their emotions most at the police stop?
And both of them benefited by living at the Laundrie home for two years. Both planned and worked for this trip.

Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie got matching finger tattoos to represent their love | Daily Mail Online

And something missing here.....men can be verbally and physically battered. I think women can verbally hurt men as much as men women. But, it seems society gives women more of a pass. IF we dont as a society look at this, we will miss improving relationships. Usually, oral fights don't cause deaths, but when they turn physical....a man usually has the advantage.

Thing is, she is the one who ended up dead and exposed in that desolate place, her body not even covered, not him.
He is the one running like a coward. Jmo

 

[kittythehare]

The FBI might not even be actually looking in that swamp any more. Yesterday's mission might all have been staged.
In fact, they might have only decided late on going with the flow on the idiot attorney's statement that CL would help with the search. As in, FBI: "What a great idea! Let's run with it!"
IMO the tidbit from LE that there was a "campsite" and then putting off a search was just more of a ruse to keep the gig going or to get time to get the staging together.
LE could have verified there was no ACTUAL campsite by hopping on the Gator all by themselves, no CL required.
IMO the "campsite" motif was just made up from whole cloth.

Looks that way.
Chris Cuomo dropped that tidbit, cited source as LE.
None of the journalists on the ground heard a thing about it.

 

[elidar]

The outcome of a certain kind of intimate relationship of dominance, jealousy and control is often violence and sometimes murder. BL liked the VanLife for, among other reasons, he had her to himself he could control her (to a point) but for sure she was isolated from her normal social life, family, friends, the bond between them enlarged his control over her--they were alone mostly-- in these travels out in the world -it suited him except he discovered she had a growing social media presence --she was more socially sophisticated, (she had not adopted his more odd and repellent idiosyncratic barefoot mania for example) he had to share her much to his dismay and she had a healthy ego and will developing --witness their "break-ups" her friend describing the many times GP slept over at her house--it reached a breaking point several times as news has revealed -he killed her because she resisted his control he killed her rather than lose her--but it was not premeditated per se. Then his crime, which he could have admitted, gone to trial probably as 2nd degree murder --no previous record--in America what would he serve? Probably 7 years until parole? MOO. Now he reaps the whirlwind I hope.

 

[LRinCA]

Since many people are taking about CLs laughter, I found this interesting...

Laughter As Survival Mechanism
Neuroscientist V.S. Ramachandran suggests that laughter is used as a defense mechanism. It is used to guard against overwhelming anxiety. Laughter often diminishes the suffering associated with a traumatic event.

People laugh when they need to project dignity and control during times of stress and anxiety. In these situations, people usually laugh in a subconscious attempt to reduce stress and calm down.

Someone else was laughing in the Carlton Reserve yesterday. JMO.

 

[ce4au]

When I try to imagine if it were my son who was a POI in a murder case and he’s hiding out somewhere, nothing could make me feel relaxed and smile and laugh during my search for him. That, IMO is how most normal, decent and innocent parents would feel too. For Mr. L to show up now, after all of this time, indicates to me that he knows his son is safely tucked away somewhere other than where he finally showed up to help LE.

They haven’t talked yet tho (to our knowledge). & if that’s true, I’d imagine the FBI would want to talk to them JMO. However, it’s against their guidelines to talk to someone about a case who has already retained counsel for that case without said counsel present. I imagine that the FBI was trying to establish a relationship with him to where he trusts them. I would think that they’d purposefully maybe say something to make him laugh, etc. to establish that sort of relationship with him. All JMO but I do feel like the FBI maybe intentionally made him laugh like made a joke or something casually as they were walking just trying to establish a good relationship.

 

[Lillymac]

I have thoughtcthe exact same thing-projecting his guilt onto her. Do people do this so they can live with what they’ve done? Who knows?

Some probably, but for most, I think they really believe it.

 

[Rhomal]

If he is caught, I think there is little chance of bail, since he has already proved to be a flight risk.

But is there enough evidence to charge him?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Anyone who truly loves and is dedicated to someone, doesn’t allow them to hurt themselves, quite the opposite.
You protect your loved ones, guide them, and help them to help themselves, especially when they are thinking otherwise. IMO

We all assume Brian to be such an agressor......... I have a hunch he felt he WAS trying to PROTECT her, when she was getting so full of anxiety over the website/travel posting. The "work" part of this adventure could have very well been the gasoline....

 

[kittythehare]

I have thoughtcthe exact same thing-projecting his guilt onto her. Do people do this so they can live with what they’ve done? Who knows?

I'd say that self preservation was much higher than guilt in his order of priorities.

Not everyone is capable of feeling guilt.

 

[mickey2942]

DBM: Double quote.

I think you may be right. A number of my wild brain-wrestling includes him heading back to one of the places they landed over the course of both of road trips where they may have met some interesting characters. We did the cross country thing for just one month, and I met and spent time with at least 6 curious people/groups of people that, after spending time with them, would have been excited about hiding me, if I showed back up and had a great story. Stick it to the man, and such.

The reward does makes that harder to trust, THOUGH, a handful had not much use for money, had loads of it before, hated the lifestyle and walked away to a sort of nomad life. (Or so they liked to talk about, anyhow) The whole "off the grid" crew is diverse.

Maybe he is just really good at playing "hide and seek". If he can get away from the cities, rural folks tend to mind their own business, unless they personally feel threatened. Hide in some barns, sheds, abandoned/falling down houses and barns.

While food and water is a need, there is an abundance of farms out there with wells, and half the time, I am not sure they even know who is showing up to work the fields, etc, from day to day. Some workers are just bussed in and dropped off, 20 or more at a time...

The reward complicates things, some. He, so far, has figured something out, for sure. MOO.

Those folks, don't like to be bothered much. BL isn't a veteran, so...they won't want the drama he might bring with him.

 

[TheGardener]

If he's is still alive, I bet BL's said to himself more than once...

"Why.... why did you make me do it? If you had just...."

In fact, I'll go further than that.

I would not be surprised if right after he killed her, before briskly walking off, he stood over her body and said:
"NOW look what you made me do! YOU made me do this Gabby... YOU made me do this!"

jmo

Oh yeah. A little story. After his acquittal, cemetery workers spied OJ kicking Nicole's headstone. They called the Brown's and asked them what they should do about it. They replied, "Call the police."
So, you may be quite right.
MOO