Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #62

[Auntie Cipation]

@ExpectingUnicorns I wanted to clarify something from the previous thread. You responded to a post I made about the deadlines involved in filing charges against someone, asking about the time issues, and someone else answered about statutes of limitations. Maybe others replied too, I had to skim since I just got back online.

But I wanted to clarify that I wasn't referring to statute of limitations but rather to the "speedy trial" rights of defendants -- unless they waive that right, prosecution has to be prepared for trial within a fairly short time after charging someone. (Hopefully a legal type poster can tell us whether it being a federal case means any different deadlines than in a state case.)

I just wanted to be sure you understood I wasn't talking about statutes of limitation but of speedy trial rules.

 

[Alethea]

Ok I think I see what happened and why everyone is confused. "Crimes against the United States" means any federal crime. It doesn't just mean like, terrorism or insurrection. It's not a crime against Uncle Sam or the President. It's anything prohibited by law.

The unauthorized access case that has been filed against Brian is "United States v. Brian Laundrie." Making a bank sad by using someone else's bank card is a crime against the United States.

Murder is a crime against the United States. 18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder

Manslaughter is a crime against the United States. 18 U.S. Code § 1112 - Manslaughter

Murdering someone on federal land is a federal crime that will be prosecuted by the feds.

The FBI does not lead investigations in Florida on behalf of a Wyoming county attorney. They lead federal investigations into federal crimes.

 

[Jurisprudence]

What about the federal crimes of using her debit card across state lines? Does the murder charge get tried on the state level and federal charges for bank fraud?

Oh that's right. There are the outstanding charges so they may NOT kick it to the state. They may retain it. Good point!

 

[Spider92]

Coroner says Gabby Petito's cause of death was strangulation - CNN
This is awful. I can't even read the article.
To me, strangulation stinks of uncontrolled anger, rage and hatred.
Hitting someone over the head with a bottle is....temper. Strangling someone takes a certain ugly determination and evil. IMO.

 

[Angels Advocate]

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Sadly, I think she just gave up and didn’t or couldn’t fight back. He might have even done it in her sleep since he is such a coward. Even if not, I think she was too shocked and hurt and betrayed to do much in those moments.

 

[cady]

So without pulling this up separately, it seems pretty clear we are dealing with WYOMING state law here.

A Wyoming (possible) murder charge no more federal law talk unless something changes. MOO

Really confusing...so are we to expect a Wyoming (Teton county) grand jury to be seated investigating the homicide? Will the Laundries be subpoenaed to give testimony?

 

[Jurisprudence]

"Jurisprudence, Np! Hint: If you hit the reply button, not quote button, it will copy the quote you are responding to.
thanks every time I have tried to use the reply button my posts get deleted by mods.

That is bizarre. Def check into that!

 

[housewife]

Would that be enough for a jury? Some girls like to scratch during sex and Brian could try to make that claim.

It would certainly add to the circumstantial evidence though.

I totally expect the defense will try to excuse any of Gabby's/Brian's injuries as "rough sex". It's the same excuse rapists use. It's so obvious the defense is reaching each time I hear that excuse in a court case.
edit: quote bolded by me

 

[TrialLurking]

The most premeditated part of losing the evidence is BL coming home and vanishing to give his own body time to destroy ALL the evidence that Gabby fought for her life. All self preservation scratches, cuts and bruises that Gabby might have inflicted are vanished by time. So horribly sad.., IMO

Those pictures from the Fort Desoto camping trip show what appears like bruising on the right forearm. I don't know how to upload the image, but it's all over the internet. I am wondering if that was from her trying to push him off her.

 

[Keyedin]

Really confusing...so are we to expect a Wyoming (Teton county) grand jury to be seated investigating the homicide? Will the Laundries be subpoenaed to give testimony?

Would a grand jury have potentially already been sequestered given the media around the case?

 

[cady]

Ok I think I see what happened. Crimes against the United States means any federal crime. It doesn't just mean like, terrorism or insurrection. It's not a crime against Uncle Sam or the President. It's anything prohibited by law.

The unauthorized access case that has been filed against Brian is "United States v. Brian Laundrie." Making a bank sad by using someone else's bank card is a crime against the United States.

Murder is a federal crime. 18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder

Manslaughter is a federal crime. 18 U.S. Code § 1112 - Manslaughter

WHEW

 

[NuttMegg]

Sadly, I think she just gave up and didn’t or couldn’t fight back. He might have even done it in her sleep since he is such a coward. Even if not, I think she was too shocked and hurt and betrayed to do much in those moments.

If she was in a mummy bag she could have been an easy target. Same, IMO, that happened with Shanann Rzucek, Watts got her wrapped in the sheets, and knelt on her arms while strangling her after she had been asleep.

 

[Dontknow?]

Is there a way for them to tell how long the dna has been under the nails?

I don't think so according to this google answer. It doesn't age fast at 521 years.

How long does DNA stay alive after death?

Based on this study, Bunce and his team put DNA's half-life at 521 years, meaning half of the DNA bonds would be broken down 521 years after death, and half of the remaining bonds would be decayed another 521 years after that, and so on.Oct 10, 2012

can condition of dna tell when a person died? - Google Search

 

[AugustWest]

But this isn't a crime against the US. I think they're gonna kick this to the state. Could be wrong. Would not be the first time! Lol

Edit: I forgot about the fact that they already have fed charges pending. @dacjess just pointed that out. If they tried this piecemeal I'd be surprised. MOO

See the posts by @Alethea; her reasoning is the same as mine.

 

[Angels Advocate]

Ok I think I see what happened. Crimes against the United States means any federal crime. It doesn't just mean like, terrorism or insurrection. It's not a crime against Uncle Sam or the President. It's anything prohibited by law.

The unauthorized access case that has been filed against Brian is "United States v. Brian Laundrie." Making a bank sad by using someone else's bank card is a crime against the United States.

Murder is a federal crime. 18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder

Manslaughter is a federal crime. 18 U.S. Code § 1112 - Manslaughter

Generally murder is prosecuted in state courts as a state crime. But murder becomes a federal crime when it occurs in violation of federal law or when it takes place on federal land or territory. It will be interesting to see which court prosecutes the little demon for the murder of Gabrielle Petito.

 

[TheGardener]

Today's news was welcome, because the trash has been taken out and the meat of the saga has become clearer. Now, the main thrust of energy is locating other witnesses and evidence...and locating Brian.
Wherever you go, keep a little snapshot inside your noggin and use it for reference should those droopy eyes and brows show up under a hat brim or over a beard in Publix or your local skateboard park.

 

[rleigh123]

Let's play a game.

Look at the Power and Control Wheel and see how many items match Brian's actions.
(Is stealing her credit card after her death still considered economic abuse?)

BBM
IMO
And this is just what the public knows. I'm sure there's a huge iceberg under the surface.

MOO

 

[Mom24]

The article says people with REM sleep disturbance disorders develop those other conditions, so it actually could be a precursor to them in someone his age. I personally don't think Brian could have strangled her in his sleep unless he had the worst case scenario of parasomnias.

Actually the article states:
It's called rapid eye movement (REM) sleep behavior disorder, and about 1 percent of people over 50 who have a sleep study are diagnosed with it.
and:
REM sleep behavior disorder may be an early marker of trouble in the body's neurological system, Postuma noted.
and To identify other risk factors linked to REM sleep behavior disorder, researchers asked more than 30,000 participants in a long-term study on aging in Canada if they had ever been told or suspected themselves that they had acted out their dreams while asleep.
and:
Postuma pointed out that identifying people with REM sleep behavior disorder will likely become even more important if a preventive medication for Parkinson's disease is developed. He said this group could be identified before Parkinson's symptoms appear, making them ideal for a preventive medication clinical trial.
and:
If you're an older person acting out your dreams at night, that's not normal. Go see your doctor."

BBM All of this relates to this study being done on older people, as the article states those over 50 and done to use REM sleep disturbance disorders as a symptom of early neurological issues such as Parkinsons so that people can be treated as early as possible to prevent the disease progression and neurological degeneration. I happen to know this because I read Postuma's original study which was titled "Risk and predictors of dementia and parkinsonism in idiopathic REM sleep behaviour disorder: a multicentre study" published a couple of years ago.
Risk and predictors of dementia and parkinsonism in idiopathic REM sleep behaviour disorder: a multicentre study - PubMed

 

[rleigh123]

Sorry, double post.

 

[WizardQuest]

and now we know for a fact it was Gabbys card too.

right? Why is BL's attorney offering us up information we didn't ask for? First he tells us BL took the flight home (without anyone asking), now he tells us he used GP's card (without anyone asking whose card).

Here's the spin BL's attorney is putting in the MSM in case you missed it:
BL flew home and GP helped him pay for it...therefore "they shared expenses", therefore he was allowed to use her bank card, therefore he is not guilty.

...ya...good luck with that.