Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #74

[squareandrabbet]

i know that this is a forum for online sleuthing, BUT
I just wanna know why do so many people not think that the most obvious is exactly what happened??
Brian and Gabby went on a cross country trip, they were having relationship problems even before so being confined in close quarters and by themselves most of the time really brought that all to the forefront.
the argueing got out of hand and at some point Brian went into a rage and strangled Gabbie to death, as soon as he got his senses back and realized what he did he fled the scene, scared and just wanting the security of his parents an his home. He went home and told his parents whatever story he told them.....either the truth or something made up.....either way, he tried to go back to his normal way of life as best he could but the thought of what he had done and knowing that he couldnt keep it a secret any longer he decided to end his own life as soon as Gabbies parents found out she was missing and he knew he was living on barrowed time.
He went out to take a hike, at least thats what he told his parents .....with the intentions of doing just that ......after reflecting on their lives together and possibly writing down what he needed to get off his chest he ended his life.......
what is the biggest factor as to why this isnt believable????

The best explanation I've ever seen in this type of situation, is one where people desperately want to believe/exonerate such a thing from ever happening again, either in their own lives or in the life of anyone in the world.

Because humans like order and abhor chaos; and thus they'll happily pretzel the details into long Hollywood-movie-style plots, sometimes using events, evidences, and hypotheses barely or not at all hinted at by the already existing facts, in order to arrive at an answer that makes sense "to them".

 

[Jettson]

Not really. Not if she did that in self defense. Also , he was much stronger than she was. Jmo

IMO physical violence had become part of GP and BL's relationship. It appeared to be on both sides to one degree or another. Unfortunately when physical violence becomes acceptable it tends to escalate and, obviously, BL was much bigger and stronger than GP. I am in no way justifying what BL did. Gabby in no way deserved this. She is truly the victim. I just wish they would have stayed apart after the MOAB incident or gotten some sort of help. It's so very sad. JMO.

 

[Hunch1]

Gabby is murdered. No one needs to defend Brian at this point.

I don’t refute GP’s murder. I follow the science and take ME at its word. You also jump to the assumption that I am defending BL. Not at all. My thinking, my opinion only, is that these kids were in way over their heads<modsnip>

 

[Cinna]

Was Gabby taking Jiu Jitsu or Krav Maga or something? I feel like I'm missing something regarding her formidable physical abilities despite her height and weight?

We have it documented that Gabby slapped Brian at least twice:
1) When Brian stole her ID.
2) When Brian was driving away from her in her own van with all of her worldly possessions.

Any abuse Brian received (perceived or literal) does not justify Gabby's murder.

She was specifically asked why she slapped Brian. Here is her response:

Officer 3: (49:26)
What were you attempting to do? What was the reason behind the slapping and stuff? What was it you were attempting to accomplish by my slapping him.

Gabby Petito: (49:35)
I was trying to get him to stop telling me to calm down.

Why was she so upset to begin with? Was he threatening to leave her stranded with no phone out in the wilderness again? This is what DV partners DO. They gaslight and use fear until the victim appears to be the unstable one. But in reality she is reacting to the constant fear and abuse, both physical and psychological abuse. Jmo

Irrelevant to the post I responded to. The allegation was that Gabby slapped Brian in response to him taking her keys or potentially the van. That is not why Gabby slapped him. In her own words.

 

[Mom24]

You can always call the FBI field office in your state or district to report a missing person. It is also important to contact your local LE.
ETA MO

Only if they are of a "tender years". The FBI will initiate a missing persons report if the missing person is under the age of 12 or under an interstate aspect. An adult missing from their home, or in this case not coming back from a hike, would be directed to report the situation to local LE or County Sheriff.
ETA source
If a child is missing and possibly kidnapped, but no interstate transportation is known, will the FBI begin an investigation? | Federal Bureau of Investigation

 

[Bekind89]

Not that this happened--I think he killed her--but tragic love stories exist where one partner simply could not face the prospect of living without his/her significant other.

JMOO--I think he probably killed himself out of a combination of things, realizing that his life/goals/dreams were--for the most part--over, combined with a deep sense of guilt and missing Gabby. When I look at the photo of him with his sister's kids camping, he's sitting there smiling, but he looks thinner, gaunt, even. I think it was weighing heavily on him, as it would on anyone. I think he knew he might be spending a final time with his family.

I hope they find something in his notebook that will explain what happened. But, in the long run, I think this will probably be the easiest for Gabby's family to begin the healing process. I don't think the Laundries will ever heal from it. It's doubly traumatic for them. Grief, combined with shame is a powerful depressant.

I just saw that they found his notebook but it was wet. I was really hoping it would have been kept dry. Jmo

 

[grammieto5]

OK, so at this point in time all we know for certain is, Gabby has been viciously murdered. We know how, but not why. I wonder if we'll ever know why.

 

[ce4au]

Wonder what his hit-rate is with bones? Did Diesel even search that area?*

TBH @citizen_sleuth might already know more about cadaver dogs & bones ( Swedish dogs in The Investigation scented the remains via fat on wind currents from the bottom of the sea)

ETA Ah! Just seen that @RANCH has already posted more on this aspect *

This part of the article referenced is interesting as well.
“It’s highly suspicious,” Heyen said. “If the body was there at that time, x weeks ago, and if it’s the same dog and the same quality of dog or same quality of training, they should have found him. They would have detected Laundrie’s body.”

‘Highly suspicious:’ How cadaver dogs missed skeletal remains while searching for Brian Laundrie at Carlton reserve

 

[Wallendo]

I suspect BL knew very shortly after whatever happened that his days were numbered. There are a lot of tales he could spin to reasonably explain why he returned home alone in the van. For example, "we had a big fight and Gabby flew back to NY, they will pick up the van later." Eventually, when Gabby never reappeared, however, all eyes would look at BL. After the Moab stop, he would eventually be POI #1 regardless of what happened. Within a week or two, it was likely obvious to him that his days of hiking in the great outdoors were numbered, so he went to a familiar place and ended it all. He may have enjoyed a last hike or night in the woods.

Since LE had access to cell phone information, the crime scene would eventually have been detected. LE would have searched the last know location of Gabby's phone and worked backwards. Unless BL took her phone on his hitch-hiking adventure, she would have been found quickly, even without the video.

 

[Bekind89]

She was specifically asked why she slapped Brian. Here is her response:

Officer 3: (49:26)
What were you attempting to do? What was the reason behind the slapping and stuff? What was it you were attempting to accomplish by my slapping him.

Gabby Petito: (49:35)
I was trying to get him to stop telling me to calm down.

Irrelevant to the post I responded to. The allegation was that Gabby slapped Brian in response to him taking her keys or potentially the van. That is not why Gabby slapped him. In her own words.

Yes it is, imo. Her entire state of mind is relevant, imo.

 

[Which_pancake]

There is no evidence to suggest how he died at all, so far. We'll find out eventually. jmo

This is the most sensible answer

 

[annpats]

I never claimed anything justified GP's murder. You said Brian was violent for hitting her.I pointed out that her hitting him was also violence.

Ahhhh, but she was hitting him only in self-defense. She was not the aggressor, she was only reacting to him as best she could.

What was she supposed to do? Just sit there and take his physical abuse, again and again and again?

 

[Jemma]

https://www.fox13news.com/news/rema...Bx0SLvoPttO_7pqGxem3y7vPiNuVU6Wsj_7zz8CryVeOQ

Skeletal remains this means that there’s nothing but bones am I wrong?

 

[Lillymac]

Exactly. Semantics. Even if the parents noticed a missing gun in the house, if they didn't see him take it, they'd have to say "We don't know if he's armed." He could have purchased one en route to the reserve, even. Everyone has to be very careful with wording!

Agreed and this whole thing has been based on wording. People dissecting even FBI's presser yesterday about the remains is a perfect example. Or how many definitions of strangulation do we need?? The list goes on and on. Very redundant! MO

 

[Nikynoo]

IMO, nothing. I think the NPPD and SB are having a public pi$$ing contest.

and the FBI are keeping theirs zipped

 

[cady]

He might also have brought explosives to blow himself up... but given there is no evidence he did, we generally assume he did not.

How do you think he died...any idea? jmo

 

[Kingsley]

i know that this is a forum for online sleuthing, BUT
I just wanna know why do so many people not think that the most obvious is exactly what happened??
Brian and Gabby went on a cross country trip, they were having relationship problems even before so being confined in close quarters and by themselves most of the time really brought that all to the forefront.
the argueing got out of hand and at some point Brian went into a rage and strangled Gabbie to death, as soon as he got his senses back and realized what he did he fled the scene, scared and just wanting the security of his parents an his home. He went home and told his parents whatever story he told them.....either the truth or something made up.....either way, he tried to go back to his normal way of life as best he could but the thought of what he had done and knowing that he couldnt keep it a secret any longer he decided to end his own life as soon as Gabbies parents found out she was missing and he knew he was living on barrowed time.
He went out to take a hike, at least thats what he told his parents .....with the intentions of doing just that ......after reflecting on their lives together and possibly writing down what he needed to get off his chest he ended his life.......
what is the biggest factor as to why this isnt believable????

For the most part that is what I believe happened too.
BUT, it is important to separate what is known as fact and what is "believed" or assumed by one's behavior. As long as there are sufficient unknowns, then there is room for "what ifs", even if increasingly unlikely. IMO, a lot of the discussion going on is thrashing out "likely" vs "known".
(And just to be clear, I have the greatest respect for behavioral analysis in supporting the search for truth.)
In the meantime, I am learning much about FL, the law, forensics, etc., which is always interesting.
JMO.

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/WFLAJosh/status/1451290290476752900?s=20
JUST IN. Governor DeSantis spoke with Joseph Petito yesterday, but despite the timing, the call was unrelated to what law enforcement announced last night. Statement below
https://twitter.com/WFLAJosh/status/1451290290476752900/photo/1

 

[r131313]

Ahhh, but she was hitting him, a bigger stronger male in self-defense. She was not the aggressor, she was only reacting to him as best she could.

What was she supposed to do? Just sit there and take his physical abuse, again and again and again?

None of us were there, and we don't know what happened. This is speculation.

 

[Cinna]

Yes it is, imo. Her entire state of mind is relevant, imo.

Honest question...are you suggesting she lied to the police about her intentions and reasons for hitting Brian? The police cautioned her to really think about her answer before replying.

 

[BUF]

Oh please let that notebook bring some closure to GP's family.

I understand what you are saying and hope so too.

For those of us who have lost children, there is never any “closure”. Information and some answers are so meaningful though…but there will always be more questions that can never be answered.

 

[r131313]

How do you think he died...any idea? jmo

I'm not the ME and we don't have enough details to even begin to speculate. Any guesses are just that.

 

[Cinna]

Ahhhh, but she was hitting him only in self-defense. She was not the aggressor, she was only reacting to him as best she could.

What was she supposed to do? Just sit there and take his physical abuse, again and again and again?

Gabby told the police she hit him first.