Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #74

[ce4au]

Thank you so much for posting this.

You’re welcome!! No problem!! I’m all about a JSM interview haha!

 

[MountainGal33]

Agree. Infection from an untreated wound is a big possibility as well. Jmo

Yep agree. Heat Exhaustion and lack of water can happen in 15 min.

Also he did mention in the Moab video - he wasn't taking his anxiety meds. If he had access to them still.
You can OD on them in most cases.

jmo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Fairly common for someone to be cheerful and reach out to family after making a decision to commit suicide.

TRUTH... resolution brings calm.

 

[dalsglen]

Maybe I'm not normal but if one of my children had murdered their partner then I'd probably agree that suicide/death is a better choice than life in prison.

 

[SMK777]

Thanks for this info., @SMK777 !
I do wonder what they're thinking ?
They probably want to wait until the remains are ID'd.
And even then... maybe they'd rather say nothing ?

They're still grieving a horrible loss of a daughter who's life was stolen.
Not an illness or an accident -- as terrible as that would also be.
But murder is different type of anguish, imo, and wouldn't there be an element of anger as well ?
And they still don't know the why's or anything at all.
A heavy burden to be forced to carry.
They must be grateful they have her earthly remains to lay to rest.
I was afraid she'd never be found.
MOO.

Agreed. Yes, I had also been afraid she’d never be found. Thank God they were given at least that measure of comfort and closure.

 

[kittythehare]

Informative! Was a gun found? Drugs ? Can insects give approximate week of death. Animal activity .

no guns drugs or inside info. Was just a medical examiner explaining cadaver changes from environmental conditions. He was quite good.
I'd say time of death is not even being considered at this stage.. If he way lying in mud for weeks..

 

[ce4au]

Agree. Infection from an untreated wound is a big possibility as well. Jmo

I’d have to agree. I didn’t grow up in the swamp of Florida, but I did grow up in South Alabama. I’d say that is a very big possibility. & that kinda thing can get outta control real quick.

 

[SMK777]

no guns drugs or inside info. Was just a medical examiner explaining cadaver changes from environmental conditions. He was quite good.
I'd say time of death is not even being considered at this stage.. If he way lying in mud for weeks..

I wonder if they can assess date of death, as in how many weeks?

 

[PhoneJockey]

In this video you can hear the officer holding what sounds to be a necklace & asking the Laundries if it’s consistent with what Brian wore. After Roberta says yes, the officer says they may have found something & tells them to go home for the night.
Fox News Digital reports new details on Brian Laundrie search

Idk if you have the wrong link, but in this video you can only see the officer talking to the L's. You cannot hear anything being said by any of them, it is just a reporter talking over. The reporter said the officer is showing them an unknown item and 'appears to ask" if the item could be Brian's. I don't know why they don't play the audio, but the L's aren't ever seen nodding yes even though you can see that the officer shows them something. Their bodies are blocking what is being shown to them.

 

[Lillymac]

We were talking about how we liked to watch Joe Scott Morgan be interviewed about this stuff! He is a forensic expert & professor of applied forensics (I think it’s applied forensics) at Jacksonville State University in Alabama.
I posted the interview he did last night on Banfield!

Thank you. Can I ask you also, what network is Banfield on? I miss so many interviews etc., because I don't know where they're being aired.

 

[PezCandy]

That does make the mid-trip flight home bc of a storage unit make a LOT more sense. However, I just wonder why this whole time everyone said they had been living with his mom & dad? Maybe bc that was just where they were supposed to be staying at the time but had not been staying with them previously - so everyone assumed they had been living there? I had no idea they had not been living there! Maybe I’m just behind & missed a whole thread or something lol I do put this down on the weekends for the most part…so that’s possible. That doesn’t change everything for me, but it def changes some things if that’s true (I’m not doubting you I had just never seen it ) JMO. But that does kinda clear up the mid-trip flight home for me. IMO.

This is one of the articles that mention it:

Petito Friend: Gabby and Brian Laundrie Lived in Condo, Not at Laundrie’s Parents’ House
https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/10...ived-in-condo-not-at-laundries-parents-house/
(Admins, super sorry if this source isn’t allowed, I can’t really find a better link but the video is all the same, please let me know so I do not use same source again if not allowed, thanks!)

 

[Bekind89]

Some additional information about environmental conditions and their impact on the recovery rates of cadaver dogs––

While bodies at depths of 180 feet (approximately 78psi) may never achieve flotation because the decompositional gases being released are insufficient to even reach natural buoyancy (i.e., zero weight), bodies in shallower depths will tend to rise to the surface (Osterkamp 908). The rate at which decompositional gases are released, and thus the rate at which a body will float, are strongly influenced by water temperature as well. At temperatures in the range of 30 degrees F, a submerged body may take months to the surface due to the extremely slow rate of decomposition, while a body submerged in water around 80 degrees F will decompose much faster and may float within a day or two (Osterkamp 908).

When it comes to cadaver dogs, it is important to understand that scent in not distributed in a linear manner. The scent from submerged human remains does not necessarily rise straight up to the surface of the water, but instead may be carried by the flow of the water a few feet to a great distance away from the body (Dorriety 720).

Even when a body is submerged under a significant amount of water, cadaver dogs that are specially-trained in water recovery can still pick up the scent. In one case, water-trained search dogs consistently alerted to a specific location in the lake and police used sonar to look for anomalies to indicate the presence of a body, but were unable to find any evidence of a body (Ruffell and Powell 130). Despite this, the police deployed a dive team to search the area of the lake the dogs alerted to and found the body of the missing man buried underneath a layer of silt at the bottom of the lake (Ruffell and Powell 130-1). Some cadaver dogs have also been able to locate the remains of drowning victims 250 feet beneath the water.

IMO, if Brian committed suicide shortly after entering the reserve, his body probably would have floated to the surface by the time police began searching the area (barring any predation)––even with the flooding, the water level looked to be a few feet at most, hardly enough pressure to weigh down a body. Additionally, given the warm air temperature and (I'm assuming) the relatively high temperature of the water, any remains would decompose and surface quickly, releasing the gases cadaver dogs use to sniff out corpses. I find it a bit hard to believe that cadaver dogs would not have alerted to the area in the early days of the search (if, in fact, the police previously searched that area) if Brian was already deceased, MOO.

Sources

Callahan, Marion. "Cadaver dogs sniffed out bodies 12 feet deep." Morning Call [Allentown], 23 July 2017, pg. A10.

Dorriety, Jonathan K. "Cadaver Dogs as a Forensic Tool: An Analysis of Prior Studies." Journal of Forensic Identification 57, no. 5 (2007): 717-725.

Osterkamp, Tom. "K9 Water Searches: Scent and Scent Transport Considerations." Journal of Forensic Sciences 56, no. 4 (2011): 907-912.

Ruffell, Alastair. "Lacustrine flow (divers, side scan sonar, hydrogeology, water penetrating radar) used to understand the location of a drowned person." Journal of Hydrology 513, no. 26 (2014): 164-168.

Ruffell, Alastair, and Neil Powell. "Search Strategy for Buried Objects in Water: Geophysics, Probes and Dogs." Forensic Sciences 1, no. 3 (2021): 130-137.

Thank you for the interesting info. I find it odd that those amazing dogs did not find him as well and that is why I do not think he has been dead the all of this time. Jmo

 

[TL4S]

Does anyone know if GP was ever at the Myakkahatchee EP or posted about it on SM?

 

[Barbie619]

I just noticed this interim bit of news from yesterday's discovery: Remains found at park, not clear if human.

So, if they initially weren't even sure if the remains were human, does that suggest they were, perhaps, just skeletal?

Maybe, but it was confirmed by the FBI they were indeed human remains. Any bones will tell a story and would make identification easier, I don't know much about forensic's but it must be fascinating work. jmo

 

[Alkali13]

I've been there twice and can't agree. The last place I wanted to be was yukking it up with family. Suicide is a somber, solitary business.
MOO

I think it really depends on the circumstances and person. Not that it is necessarily relevant here, but someone committing suicide in the midst of mania or a psychotic break looks very different than someone with severe depression. I've also been there and have had friends/family there, both following through and not.

I'm sorry you had to endure that as well. Hugs

 

[rleigh123]

It is pretty strange.
The former Assistant Director of te FBI was interviewed on Fox this morning. He was appalled and said no way would FBI have allowed that to happen.
Like, in no uncertain way.
This thing seems to repeat segments so you might get to hear him

Thanks! So many peculiarities about this case from the start.

 

[Bekind89]

Yep agree. Heat Exhaustion and lack of water can happen in 15 min.

Also he did mention in the Moab video - he wasn't taking his anxiety meds. If he had access to them still.
You can OD on them in most cases.

jmo

Personally I would choose either suicide or prison to staying in the fetid hell of that swamp. Shudder. Jmo

 

[Alkali13]

https://twitter.com/pmcknightnews/status/1451229053596446724?s=21

Car marked “District 12 Medical Examiner” just pulled in.

Hopefully more remains?

 

[passionflower]

Here is the interview Joe Scott Morgan did last night on Banfield regarding all different questions about the remains - condition of remains, what questions he has, etc. It is pretty good!

Remains Could be in mud. Water table, water receded quickly? Did MEDICAL examiners work all night?

 

[esayer]

Maybe, but it was confirmed by the FBI they were indeed human remains. Any bones will tell a story and would make identification easier, I don't much about forensic's but it must be fascinating work. jmo

My friend is a ME in Montana, and has even been featured on Forensic Files! I went to visit her at the Missoula ME offices and saw the labs...she told me it's not nearly as interesting as it sounds, and most of her time over the years has been spent testing semen samples!

 

[bluwaters]

Fairly common for someone to be cheerful and reach out to family after making a decision to commit suicide.

This is true.
Once a potential suicide decides to go through with it, they often become calm and relaxed.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/danichurtado_/status/1451236594418077699?s=21
The District 12 of FL chief medical examiner (covers Sarasota County, Manatee County and DeSoto County) tells me they don’t really know at this point how long it will take to process and identify the remains found at the reserve. He says “at least several days.” @mysuncoast