Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #84

[esayer]

Yes. I remember when LE was still searching the swamp for BL, so many people were saying he was too much a coward to kill himself, that Mommy and Daddy were funding him, hiding him somewhere, or sent him on to Mexico. He'd never kill himself because he was a narcissist.

Then his remains were found and suddenly he was too much a coward to face the music, that Mommy and Daddy knew he went off to do it, or maybe even killed him themselves.

I have no doubt that somewhere in the processing of his actions, BL blamed GP for making him do it. But maybe after a couple weeks and seeing NS on television crying and pleading to find her daughter, knowing his own parents either knew or would soon know what he did, guilt crept in. After a couple weeks of reliving the horrible moment and contemplating his own future, it all was just too much. Maybe he hated himself as much as we all do for him taking her life. IDK...I can't even begin to guess what went through his mind. But something made him take written responsibility, in whatever form that was, and pull the trigger.

Personally, I only care what Gabby was thinking, and Do not care what Brian was feeling or how scared he was. You know who was more scared and then murdered? Gabby. Gabby was more scared, then she was murdered.

 

[LinasK]

Personally, I only care what Gabby was thinking, and Do not care what Brian was feeling or how scared he was. You know who was more scared and then murdered? Gabby. Gabby was more scared, then she was murdered.

I'm in agreement with you, and I don't consider it petty for Gabby's family to want accountability from the Laundrie family. Gabby's family was denied the justice of a trial.

 

[TL4S]

Personally, I only care what Gabby was thinking, and Do not care what Brian was feeling or how scared he was. You know who was more scared and then murdered? Gabby. Gabby was more scared, then she was murdered.

You're right. At the heart of this tragedy is GP loosing her life at BL's hands. There's no denying that.

I can only speak for myself, but I admit that I do care what BL was thinking and feeling. It's not a sympathetic type of caring, though, like I care about GP, but I also can't honestly say that I'm only here wanting justice for her. I do want that, of course, but I'm also curious, I'm mad, I'm scared, and I want to understand. I want changes to come out of this - something positive. I selfishly want to know if there's anything I can do to avoid the same tragedy happening to me and my loved ones. And, I'll just say it...I want BL to have been remorseful at the end. Maybe I'm idealistic, but I need to think that he took his own life because he knew the gravity of his actions, along with the pain and suffering it brought so very many people. I'm naive enough to believe that he didn't write in his notebook then kill himself just to prove that it was GP's fault.

There's a good chance I'm wrong and BL was a narcissistic sociopath who felt nothing towards GP and only ended his life because his attempt to fool LE failed and he couldn't stand the thought of prison.

But what haunts me, and is never talked about, are the photos and videos captured inadvertently by vacationers who just happened to be in the same vicinity as GP and BL in UT. They didn't know they were being filmed, yet they were smiling, laughing, holding hands, being adventerous...it's heartbreaking.

 

[LinasK]

You're right. At the heart of this tragedy is GP loosing her life at BL's hands. There's no denying that.

I can only speak for myself, but I admit that I do care what BL was thinking and feeling. It's not a sympathetic type of caring, though, like I care about GP, but I also can't honestly say that I'm only here wanting justice for her. I do want that, of course, but I'm also curious, I'm mad, I'm scared, and I want to understand. I want changes to come out of this - something positive. I selfishly want to know if there's anything I can do to avoid the same tragedy happening to me and my loved ones. And, I'll just say it...I want BL to have been remorseful at the end. Maybe I'm idealistic, but I need to think that he took his own life because he knew the gravity of his actions, along with the pain and suffering it brought so very many people. I'm naive enough to believe that he didn't write in his notebook then kill himself just to prove that it was GP's fault.

There's a good chance I'm wrong and BL was a narcissistic sociopath who felt nothing towards GP and only ended his life because his attempt to fool LE failed and he couldn't stand the thought of prison.

But what haunts me, and is never talked about, are the photos and videos captured inadvertently by vacationers who just happened to be in the same vicinity as GP and BL in UT. They didn't know they were being filmed, yet they were smiling, laughing, holding hands, being adventerous...it's heartbreaking.

If Brian's notebook/photos are ever released to the public, I think that you will be disappointed in seeking answers as to the whys. <modsnip>

 

[Ruminations]

With respect, it is not easy. And women in DV situations know that the most dangerous time for them is when they decide or try to leave as I suspect happened in this case. That is born out by facts.

And statistics. The most dangerous part of an abusive relationship is the breakup. IMO because I’m lazy. But look it up. Victims have to plan their escape very carefully to make it out safely.

 

[Ruminations]

Exactly.
IMO his flight home to mom & dads house during the trip was giving Gabby the ‘silent treatment /ghosting’ . All to teach Gabby a lesson and for her to beg him for his forgiveness…her to get back in line. I bet he shared that he was moving -her things- to storage cause it was over.
He went back to continue the trip.
He must of felt in control of her again.
Verbal abuse, controlling threats are just as bad (or worse ) than physical abuse. And there are no police reports or
X-rays to produce of verbal or controlling abuse.
Sometimes it can be a silent precursor to murder.

MOO
The courts, the system needs to recognize this type of abuse when considering punishment, incarceration, victim protection etc…something needs to change.

I’m not sure we know that the trip home was part of his coercive control, but it is very plausible, IMO

That is one part of the mystery that remains- what was that trip home about? Saving money never held water.

Maybe Cassie knows or has a strong 80/20 hunch or theory that will make it to a credible news outlet. I’m very curious about it.

 

[Trebor5591]

WebSleuths is an excellent website. One of its strong points are the many individuals from different walks of life who make contributions based on their specific areas of expertise. They are the ones who know what they are talking about and reading their opinions can be really enlightening and a help to understand the crimes discussed. Unfortunately there are also individuals, who without any academic background or training in psychiatry, confidently pronounce psychiatric diagnosis of individuals whom they have never met. Like the many posts claiming BL is a narcissist. Overuse of the narcissist label by individuals who really don't know what they are talking about just dilutes the expert opinions of those who do and takes intelligent discourse down a peg. Its actually little more than name-calling. Of course people have the right to say their opinions, but those full of emotionalism seldom make any meaningful contributions to anything. And I am not defending BL. He's a murderer and obviously not a good person. But I am not going to glibly diagnosis him in any medical sense. And I wish others would do the same. MOO.

 

[PapillonVert]

FBIDenver issues a final investigative update on the Gabrielle Petito Case.

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https://twitter.com/fbidenver/status/1484621114663862278?s=21

January 21, 2022
FBI Denver Provides Final Investigative Update on Gabrielle Petito Case
Yesterday, the family of Gabrielle Petito met with the FBI at the Tampa Field Office as the investigation will be closed in the near future.

“provided during the investigation, and to our local, state and federal law enforcement partners for their work throughout the investigation.”

The FBI opened its investigation into the disappearance of Ms. Petito on September 12, 2021, upon receiving reports from Gabby’s family that Ms. Petito was missing. The FBI, working with federal, state and local officials, organized a search of a remote area within the Grand Teton National Park and the Bridger-Teton National Forest.

On September 19, 2021, the search team located the remains of Ms. Petito at the Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area near where she and Brian Laundrie had been seen together. Ms. Petito was found approximately three weeks after her last known communication. The Teton County Coroner’s Office subsequently concluded Ms. Petito died of “blunt-force injuries to the head and neck, with manual strangulation.” While law enforcement investigated all logical leads, the investigation quickly focused on the last person believed to see her alive—Mr. Laundrie.

The following is a timeline of the investigation:

• The FBI investigation revealed that, between August 30 and September 1, 2021, Mr. Laundrie had used Ms. Petito’s debit card without authorization on his drive back to Florida from Wyoming.
• After Ms. Petito’s death, there were several text messages identified between Mr. Laundrie’s telephone and Ms. Petito’s telephone. The timing and content of these messages are indicative of Mr. Laundrie attempting to deceive law enforcement by giving the impression that Ms. Petito was still alive.
• On September 15, 2021, Mr. Laundrie’s Ford Mustang was recovered from the T. Mabry Carlton Jr. Memorial Reserve and Myakkahatchee Creek Park in North Port, Florida.
• On September 17, 2021, Mr. Laundrie’s parents reported him missing shortly after law enforcement conducted a welfare check at their residence.
• On September 18, 2021, law enforcement officials commenced an extensive search of the park where Mr. Laundrie’s vehicle was parked and did not locate Mr. Laundrie. The area where Mr. Laundrie’s remains were later found was part of this search area, but the area was submerged due to recent flooding at the time of this initial search.
• On September 22, 2021, the U.S. District Court for the District of Wyoming issued a federal arrest warrant for Mr. Laundrie. The warrant was issued pursuant to a Federal Grand Jury indictment for violation of federal statute 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(1): “Use of Unauthorized Access Devices” related to Mr. Laundrie’s activities following the death of Ms. Petito.
• On October 7, 2021, after law enforcement made a request through Laundrie family attorney Steven Bertolino, the Laundries provided personal effects to law enforcement which were to be used to assist in the search of the Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park.
• On October 20, 2021, after water had receded from the area and the park was reopened, Mr. Bertolino notified law enforcement that Mr. Laundrie’s parents intended to return to the park to search for Mr. Laundrie. Law enforcement officers were present when Mr. Laundrie’s parents located an item in the park later determined to belong to Mr. Laundrie.
• Upon further search of the area, investigators found human remains later confirmed to be Mr. Laundrie, along with a backpack, notebook, and a revolver. A review of the notebook revealed written statements by Mr. Laundrie claiming responsibility for Ms. Petito’s death.
• On November 23, 2021, the District 12 Medical Examiner’s Office in Sarasota, Florida, released its report on the manner and cause of death of Mr. Laundrie. The report concluded Mr. Laundrie died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

I think it’s interesting that the FBI says here that Brian was reported missing September 17. Didn’t Bertolino say he personally notified the FBI that Brian was missing on September 12 or 13?

He was quoted in the below CNN article as saying:
“Let the record be clear, the Laundries reported Brian did not come home the night he went out for the hike," Bertolino told CNN Wednesday. "I actually reported that to the FBI, personally."

The timeline of Brian Laundrie's disappearance still doesn't jibe among authorities and his family's lawyer - CNN

 

[customCF]

I notice when women do complain about abuse other women encourage them to "forgive and forget" or dismiss it as "normal." It's hard to seek out help when women don't often acknowledge abusive behavior.
when I was going through a nasty abusive breakup my female friends downplayed the violent abuse blaming me for making him jealous even though it was funny he'd slap/punch me in public, but my male friends immediately recognized it as abusive. perhaps, I was surrounded by women who accepted/ expected abuse or women who need to step up and take this far more seriously. to this day my former female friends fawn over my abuser and continue to be verbally abusive towards me for breaking his heart because he is a sad lonely 'nice guy.'
How do we change society?

All comes back to how much of a social stigma DV is. Nobody really talks about it in any capacity from anything i have ever been around.

You're not wrong about thinking society needs changed, mental hospitals have been / are getting shut down.
Many many things contribute to how people interact any more that didn't exist 10-20 years ago.

 

[Laura456]

I’m not sure we know that the trip home was part of his coercive control, but it is very plausible, IMO

That is one part of the mystery that remains- what was that trip home about? Saving money never held water.

Maybe Cassie knows or has a strong 80/20 hunch or theory that will make it to a credible news outlet. I’m very curious about it.

I like Cassie...she seems like she'd be a nice gal to chat over coffee with. My BS meter did not go off when she came out to talk to reporters outside her house. She seems like a better person than her parents and her brother, or at least more open.

 

[PommyMommy]

JAN 23, 2022
Gabby Petito's Parents Launch Foundation To Find Missing Persons, Confront Domestic Violence | Suffolk Daily Voice
[...]

According to an announcement from the National Domestic Violence Hotline on Monday, Dec. 20, the Gabby Petito Foundation made significant donations in the month of December to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, SafeSpace and The AWARE Foundation.

"These three organizations are doing incredible work on the front lines of missing persons and responding to those impacted by abuse," said Petito's father Joe Petito. "Our foundation is honored to present them with this support."

[...]

 

[MrsWatson]

What did the alleged Brian Laundrie 'suicide note' say?

 

[TL4S]

I'm thinking about the Aug. 30-Sept. 1 timeframe. We know more about those days than any others, imo.

1) BL drove the van from WY to FL
2) Four songs and a new playlist were added to their Spotify
3) BL used GP's debit cards
4) BL sent fake texts to NS and between GP and BL's phones
5) After BL got to his parent's on Sept. 1, they visited his sister

Hopefully I included all the MSM-based information.

The FBI determined the fake texts between GP and BL were done to intentionally fool LE. So what about the use of her cards? And what about the added song choices? Were they all an attempt to fool LE?

If the content of the texts were made to look like they were still traveling together, that could account for using her cards, but the song choices don't make sense. Did he even consider that LE might look at his playlist? And how was he going to explain showing up in FL without her?

If the content of the texts were made to look like they were separated (either broken up or some other reason) and not traveling together, how was he going to explain using her cards? Did he even think about that? And why suddenly stop all communications on Sept. 1?

There's no doubt he tried to hide the fact that GP was dead, at least for awhile. But looking at everything together, it doesn't seem like he thought it very far out. I can't help but wonder if he wasn't just trying to buy himself some time, rather than thinking he would get away with it. Maybe to see his family, tie up loose ends, get the gun, find the courage (or whatever you'd call it) to finally do it. I have to wonder if suicide was the plan all along. ???

 

[Emi]

Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie: FBI says Laundrie claimed responsibility for Petito's death - CNN

 

[Gemmie]

What did the alleged Brian Laundrie 'suicide note' say?

Hmmm... is the first thing I said as I read the 'alleged' note. I think I'll place my bets on it not being legit.

Appreciate you posting it though.

 

[MrsWatson]

Hmmm... is the first thing I said as I read the 'alleged' note. I think I'll place my bets on it not being legit.

Appreciate you posting it though.

Hey, the Sun sourced it to TikTok, so take that as you will.

 

[Gemmie]

Hey, the Sun sourced it to TikTok, so take that as you will.

OK, I'm doubling down now on my earlier bet. LOL

 

[Arkay]

Hmmm... is the first thing I said as I read the 'alleged' note. I think I'll place my bets on it not being legit

To me, that note sounded like every cliché in the book. Like a teeenager's idea of what Brian would say.

If the Laundries identify that as Brian's handwriting, I will believe it then. But IMO it sounds incredibly fake. Click bait for someone's social media is my guess.

 

[NCWatcher]

Hmmm... is the first thing I said as I read the 'alleged' note. I think I'll place my bets on it not being legit.

Appreciate you posting it though.

Yeah, I'm not buying that note, at least not without some better authentication.

I'm also not so sure about the note being dated Sept 18. I know no date of death for BL has been announced. But Sept 18 was the day extensive LE searches for BL in the Reserve began. And the area where his remains were eventually found in Oct was already flooded by Sept 18 per the FBI. So where was he when he wrote the note and how did his body end up underwater?

And while I believe the FBI claim they were able to recover writings in the notebook identified as BL's even though the notebook had clearly been underwater, I seriously doubt the ink of the recovered note is as legible as what is shown in the Sun article..

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

To me, that note sounded like every cliché in the book. Like a teeenager's idea of what Brian would say.

If the Laundries identify that as Brian's handwriting, I will believe it then. But IMO it sounds incredibly fake. Click bait for someone's social media is my guess.

Yeah, it read oddly for someone (likely) filled with grief over what he had done and about to kill himself. I know, I'll likely get a lot of flak about my saying he was filled with grief but that's JMHO.