Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #85

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540397434492395525

Thank you @MassGuy. im

 

[Warwick7]

Even his wording is confusing. He says his family is in shock and grief, which makes it sound like they likely knew GP was dead before he left (as in at the time of his writing the letter). Then again, he speaks in that same present tense about them losing their son (him), which sounds like his intention was for the letter to be found at a future date and then read in present tense. What a mess.

Totally agree!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

When a cell site experiences interruption, any 911 call will automatically connect to any available network, regardless of your carrier, to complete the emergency call.

Does this mean that BL could have called 911 regardless of T-Mobiles limited coverage in the area they were camping?

How to reach 911 if you don't have cellphone signal

After a Verizon outage left thousands on the East Coast without phone service, many wondered what to do in an emergency with no landline?

www.wcnc.com

 

[Warwick7]

Even his wording is confusing. He says his family is in shock and grief, which makes it sound like they likely knew GP was dead before he left (as in at the time of his writing the letter). Then again, he speaks in that same present tense about them losing their son (him), which sounds like his intention was for the letter to be found at a future date and then read in present tense. What a mess.

Yes, he says his family is in shock and grief, which makes it sound like they likely knew GP was dead before he left... I don't let Laundries off litigation quite yet. moo

 

[tlcya]

Even his confession is lies and self serving bullcrap. He ended her life to be merciful after she hurt herself in a fall. GMAFB.

I still think the lawsuit against his parents is so much baloney, I feel for her parents but this lawsuit won't bring closure. They can never punish the one who deserves it, the one responsible. He robbed them of that with his cowardly act. The least he could have done was be honest about what happened in his notebook. But he couldn't even be human enough to do that.

I remain convinced that BL murdered GP in a bout of rage during DV. He couldn't even own it in death. What a piece of garbage.

 

[TL4S]

I picked up on the tense, too. Given how distraught he probably was, we probably shouldn't read too much into some details like that, although it's certainly hard not to. I wonder how much the Moab incident played into his paniced thinking prior to him ending her life. Did he think no one would believe him that perhaps she really did fall innocently while running in the dark and hit her head on a rock in the creek? So part of him felt he was damned either way?

Just so sad. I wish both families could live in peace and of course I also wish both "kids" were still alive. Funny, as they weren't kids, but they were barely adults and both looked so young that I have to remind myself they were not minors in all of this.

Yes. Reading and rereading that letter, looking at the varying angles of the handwriting, knowing he shot himself with his non-dominant hand...I think he had lost it. At that moment, he may have even come to believe this lunatic story of his. In his attempt to dismiss the truth, he had fantasized this tale, as if they had been a three-days hike into the lonely wilderness. GP hadn't even been found yet. He was clearly aware of animal predation (since he wanted that for himself), so after two weeks, was he even sure GP's body would be found intact and/or her wounds identifiable? He's not off the hook for insanity, by any means, and he could have been faking it, but the bullet in his head was very real and he knew it would be. I don't know what to think.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Sounds to me like he did what he'd done before -- choked her to silence her. But this time, she passed out and that's when he panicked. Death rattle. So he found a boulder.

He. Killed. Gabby. Starting with domestic violence and ending when he brought the full weight of his might down on her tender skull. There's no polite way to say that.

Ending someone's pain that you caused -- that's not merciful. That's murder.

So, so, so sorry Gabby.

JMO

I kind of wondered the opposite, I wonder if he bashed her head and she started convulsing or seizing and then he strangled her to death. It’s like he tried to account for all of her injuries with his lies.

 

[carbuff]

Thinking about it--if one of my kids came home and told that story, I don't think I would have believed it. I'd have been trying to get him into a psych unit. It wouldn't be until the search hit the news that I would have realized OMG, he must have done something.

I'm not saying any of that is what his parents did, only trying to process my own reaction at this point.

 

[Megnut]

I kind of wondered the opposite, I wonder if he bashed her head and she started convulsing or seizing and then he strangled her to death. It’s like he tried to account for all of her injuries with his lies.

Based on the earlier episode, I don't think he intended to murder her -- I think he employed choking as a communication strategy. IMO he may have put her in the creek to try to resuscitate her. And when nothing worked, he picked up a rock.

IMO his note is a flight of fantasy.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

But for a charge of "harboring a fugitive" I'm not sure it matters what the "fugitive" thinks or expects, does it?

True. My comment was towards whether "he" was a fugitive and when.
:0)

 

[NCWatcher]

Does this mean that BL could have called 911 regardless of T-Mobiles limited coverage in the area they were camping?

How to reach 911 if you don't have cellphone signal

After a Verizon outage left thousands on the East Coast without phone service, many wondered what to do in an emergency with no landline?

www.wcnc.com

I don't think so. If there's no cell service in the area, 911 calls can't be made.

The above link in the quoted post addresses the problem that occurred on the East Coast when the Verizon network went down. But other networks were operational in the same areas. Calling 911 would work because the phone tied to Verizon service per the SIM card (Verizon in that case) would connect through any other provider to reach 911-- Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T, whatever. That is kind of like when someone doesn't subscribe to a cell plan. Even without a plan, any charged cellphone will connect to 911. That's one reason people used to donate old phones to charities serving DV victims. As long as the phone was charged it could be used to call for help even without a plan. (Still could be but smartphones break down faster or more completely, I think, than old flip phones so there is less call for donations.)

But if there's no network available as is often the case in more remote areas and was probably the case where B&G were, there's no network to connect to. It wasn't just no T-Mobile, there was no service for anything else either.

This link below explains better than I did most likely.

How Can Mobile Phones Make 'Emergency Calls' When There's No Network Coverage?

 

[Warwick7]

Sounds to me like he did what he'd done before -- choked her to silence her. But this time, she passed out and that's when he panicked. Death rattle. So he found a boulder.

He. Killed. Gabby. Starting with domestic violence and ending when he brought the full weight of his might down on her tender skull. There's no polite way to say that.

Ending someone's pain that you caused -- that's not merciful. That's murder.

So, so, so sorry Gabby.

JMO

@Megnut I appreciate what you bring to the table. I always have. Its an honest comment.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Yes. Reading and rereading that letter, looking at the varying angles of the handwriting, knowing he shot himself with his non-dominant hand...I think he had lost it. At that moment, he may have even come to believe this lunatic story of his. In his attempt to dismiss the truth, he had fantasized this tale, as if they had been a three-days hike into the lonely wilderness. GP hadn't even been found yet. He was clearly aware of animal predation (since he wanted that for himself), so after two weeks, was he even sure GP's body would be found intact and/or her wounds identifiable? He's not off the hook for insanity, by any means, and he could have been faking it, but the bullet in his head was very real and he knew it would be. I don't know what to think.

I'd forgotten about the non-dominant hand aspect. That is just weird to me... which brought up all sorts of theories here earlier about someone else being involved. I'm curious how they are certain he shot himself with a non-dominant hand. There must be forensics about this sort of thing, I'm sure, but there wasn't much left to him and with the water, things may have moved around so they would not have found a gun in a certain hand. I'm certain they could tell by what side of the head the bullet entered, but couldn't you hold a gun many ways and even turn your head, so while one might think, say a right handed person would shoot from the right side, maybe you held it facing you and turned your head toward the right so it entered from the left?

 

[Warwick7]

Thinking about it--if one of my kids came home and told that story, I don't think I would have believed it. I'd have been trying to get him into a psych unit. It wouldn't be until the search hit the news that I would have realized OMG, he must have done something.

I'm not saying any of that is what his parents did, only trying to process my own reaction at this point.

Excellent comment!

 

[Warwick7]

Does this mean that BL could have called 911 regardless of T-Mobiles limited coverage in the area they were camping?

How to reach 911 if you don't have cellphone signal

After a Verizon outage left thousands on the East Coast without phone service, many wondered what to do in an emergency with no landline?

www.wcnc.com

Lets say this isn't true...or...a person doesn't know the information, then he should have put her in the van and headed out to get her help.

 

[iamnotagolem]

it’s hard playing hypothetical with his note when it is clearly a work of fiction.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't think so. If there's no cell service in the area, 911 calls can't be made.

The above link in the quoted post addresses the problem that occurred on the East Coast when the Verizon network went down. But other networks were operational in the same areas. Calling 911 would work because the phone tied to Verizon service per the SIM card (Verizon in that case) would connect through any other provider to reach 911-- Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T, whatever. That is kind of like when someone doesn't subscribe to a cell plan. Even without a plan, any charged cellphone will connect to 911. That's one reason people used to donate old phones to charities serving DV victims. As long as the phone was charged it could be used to call for help even without a plan. (Still could be but smartphones break down faster or more completely, I think, than old flip phones so there is less call for donations.)

But if there's no network available as is often the case in more remote areas and was probably the case where B&G were, there's no network to connect to. It wasn't just no T-Mobile, there was no service for anything else either.

This link below explains better than I did most likely.

How Can Mobile Phones Make 'Emergency Calls' When There's No Network Coverage?

Looking at Verizon and AT&T coverage maps it looks like there's cell service in the Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area. JMO.

Coverage Map: Verizon Home Internet & Cell Phone By Address | Verizon

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[NCWatcher]

I'd forgotten about the non-dominant hand aspect. That is just weird to me... which brought up all sorts of theories here earlier about someone else being involved. I'm curious how they are certain he shot himself with a non-dominant hand. There must be forensics about this sort of thing, I'm sure, but there wasn't much left to him and with the water, things may have moved around so they would not have found a gun in a certain hand. I'm certain they could tell by what side of the head the bullet entered, but couldn't you hold a gun many ways and even turn your head, so while one might think, say a right handed person would shoot from the right side, maybe you held it facing you and turned your head toward the right so it entered from the left?

I guess nothing is impossible but the apparent path the bullet took made it clear to the trained investigators he used his left hand to shoot himself in the left side of his head. It's been awhile since I read the report but I'm pretty sure the path was very slightly upward but it did not deviate on the front to back track but was straight through. Taking into account the length of the gun's barrel, it's hard to see how he could have used his right hand.

Of course as we discussed at the time, some people do learn to shoot with their non-dominant hands because of cross-dominance with hand and eye. But if he used his right hand, why not shoot himself on the right side of his head?
JMO

 

[carbuff]

Was his dominant hand injured? Maybe injured in the attack on GP?

 

[Warwick7]

Does anyone know a link with Brian's note typed out?